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Nokia Broadens Attack on Apple With New Lawsuit Targeting iPhone and iPad 3G
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Market cap $39B. Just buy them. Besides shutting up their lawyers, they are the #1 brand by unit count and Apple could put a "cheater version" of the store onto cheap feature crippled phones. They wouldn't be magical, but they would generate revenue for the phone handset maker for a change.
They have to have a few buildings and properties worth owning besides any intellectual assets.
Heck, finance the purchase to preserve capital. Apple has excellent credit.
Rocketman
2009 12/31/09 2008 12/31/08 2007 12/31/07 2006 12/31/06
CURRENT ASSETS - TOTAL 33,725 33,983 42,209 24,368
Land 85 84 107 103
Buildings 1,880 1,774 1,472 1,220
Machinery & Equipment 5,708 5,826 5,857 4,890
Other Property, Plant & Equipment 67 42 29 29
Property, Plant and Equipment - Gross 7,804 7,872 7,689 6,339
Accumulated Depreciation (5,129) (4,961) (4,898) (4,226)
Property, Plant and Equipment - Net 2,675 2,911 2,791 2,113
Long Term Receivables 179 135 571 177
Investments in Associated Companies 99 134 474 296
Other Investments 794 713 498 380
Other Tangible Assets 0 14 64 11
Total Intangible Other Assets - Net 11,570 14,504 6,015 1,426
Other Assets - Total 13,729 17,252 8,346 2,504
TOTAL ASSETS 49,041 52,394 52,622 28,770
They have to have a few buildings and properties worth owning besides any intellectual assets.
Heck, finance the purchase to preserve capital. Apple has excellent credit.
Rocketman
2009 12/31/09 2008 12/31/08 2007 12/31/07 2006 12/31/06
CURRENT ASSETS - TOTAL 33,725 33,983 42,209 24,368
Land 85 84 107 103
Buildings 1,880 1,774 1,472 1,220
Machinery & Equipment 5,708 5,826 5,857 4,890
Other Property, Plant & Equipment 67 42 29 29
Property, Plant and Equipment - Gross 7,804 7,872 7,689 6,339
Accumulated Depreciation (5,129) (4,961) (4,898) (4,226)
Property, Plant and Equipment - Net 2,675 2,911 2,791 2,113
Long Term Receivables 179 135 571 177
Investments in Associated Companies 99 134 474 296
Other Investments 794 713 498 380
Other Tangible Assets 0 14 64 11
Total Intangible Other Assets - Net 11,570 14,504 6,015 1,426
Other Assets - Total 13,729 17,252 8,346 2,504
TOTAL ASSETS 49,041 52,394 52,622 28,770
From Engadget...
Interestingly, Nokia's filed this one in the Western District of Wisconsin, a so-called "rocket docket" that's well-known for bringing patent cases to settlement or trial in just over a year.
Uhh, just because both companies engage in litigious behavior doesn't mean anything - lawsuits generally get judged individually - the outcome of one lawsuit doesn't necessarily mean that the other side can no longer sue without hypocrisy - litigation is incredibly complicated but most importantly, they are always different actions.So when Apple sues others for alledgedly violating one of their "generic" iPhone patents everyone applauds, but when others sue Apple for alledgedly violating one of their patents, everyone screams outrage. Do you guys realize how ridiculous you all are?
Take a first year law school Civil Procedure course if you want to know the full answer, but in super-short, there are a number of rules regarding jurisdiction. Nokia had the choice of jurisdictions since they were starting the suit, but they needed to pick a place where Apple also does business (and they sell iPhones in every state in the union giving them a substancial connection to the jurisdiction). They likely picked this particular district because the precedents set in that court are the most favorable to what they intend to accomplish, or perhaps because it is a difficult location for Apple to continually fly it's lawyers to. The precedent part is the most likely reason, because precendents set in the court of the trial are weighted the most heavily by a judge in any case.
Enough seriously. Laws on Patents should be change or more cross-patents oriented, it can't be going like this forever.
It would cost a lot more than the market cap to buy them. Besides, it'd be a lot cheaper just to get the license agreement.
That's it, I'm sueing Apple for copyright infringement on anything surrounding anything in the Federal District Courts of the US Virgin Islands. I'll present my case in bermuda shorts holding a mojito in the tiki hut court house.
Exactly.
I never thought that being a fan of Apple products could remove your ability to think critically.
Anyway, let's see how the courts handle this issue and let's hope for a fair solution to all companies involved. Nokia's just fighting for what is theirs, exactly the same as Apple on the HTC lawsuit.
Stop being hypocrites.
This is Starting to Get Ridiculous
I think I know the next big thing in manufacturing wealth. Forget credit default swaps and collateralized debt obligations -you don't need to create exotic securities derivitives to manufacture wealth out of thin air. All you need to do is file a patent application for technology you have neither the capacity nor the ability to actualize, and then sue anybody who eventually does.
Yes, Apple themselves are guilty of this too, but who really benefits from this behavior?
I think I'll go file a patent for a table-top fusion generator. I have no idea how to build one, but if it ever happens in my lifetime, I can always get rich suing the real innovators for infringing on my concept
I think I know the next big thing in manufacturing wealth. Forget credit default swaps and collateralized debt obligations -you don't need to create exotic securities derivitives to manufacture wealth out of thin air. All you need to do is file a patent application for technology you have neither the capacity nor the ability to actualize, and then sue anybody who eventually does.
Yes, Apple themselves are guilty of this too, but who really benefits from this behavior?
I think I'll go file a patent for a table-top fusion generator. I have no idea how to build one, but if it ever happens in my lifetime, I can always get rich suing the real innovators for infringing on my concept
I always wonder which courts, if any, have the expertise to decide these nerdy matters. A jury or ordinary citizens could not be expected to understand this, and the typical judges wouldn't either. You have to think some decisions are not correct at all.
This Just In!!!
Hanna Barbara & the Producers for "Get Smart" are preparing a patent infringement lawsuit against Apple, Nokia, Motorola and all cell phone companies for stealing their ideas of wireless telecommunication devices. Although we've yet to see the ishoe, the nike attachment to the ipod nano is close enough, in addition, Hanna Barbara's innovations in the Jetsons are being ripped off left and right..... this story is developing
Hanna Barbara & the Producers for "Get Smart" are preparing a patent infringement lawsuit against Apple, Nokia, Motorola and all cell phone companies for stealing their ideas of wireless telecommunication devices. Although we've yet to see the ishoe, the nike attachment to the ipod nano is close enough, in addition, Hanna Barbara's innovations in the Jetsons are being ripped off left and right..... this story is developing
"using positioning data in applications"
ok, that one is just obviously stupid. having a gps chip equates to this one, so that's pretty freaking obvious.
the others are better... if apple stole a specific, nokia-developed antenna design... well, that's a problem. they should just get the license already.
ah, u.s. patent office... is there anything you can't screw up?
ok, that one is just obviously stupid. having a gps chip equates to this one, so that's pretty freaking obvious.
the others are better... if apple stole a specific, nokia-developed antenna design... well, that's a problem. they should just get the license already.
ah, u.s. patent office... is there anything you can't screw up?
That's the normal attitude on these apple fanboy sites. Their sense of reality is just as distorted as their well dressed god's.So when Apple sues others for alledgedly violating one of their "generic" iPhone patents everyone applauds, but when others sue Apple for alledgedly violating one of their patents, everyone screams outrage. Do you guys realize how ridiculous you all are?
Damages would almost certainly be measured by a reasonable royalty, not lost profits.
It's fast, and statistically plaintiff-friendly.
People here don't know the difference between utility and design patents.
Can I have some of your shrooms? I too wanna see what the Nokia Droid is like!
You're quite correct I was on shrooms.
Nokia has nothing to do with Android.
Yep, my mistake, still I stand by what I said about companies suing Apple over the iPhone stuff. If Apple was a startup company and created the iPhone nobody would be wasting their time suing them.
The judge decides what the claim terms mean. The jury decides if they are infringed or invalid based on prior art. Juries do a very good job of it, because the questions they are asked to decide are very specific. Also, only Federal District Court judges hear patent cases, and most patent cases are held in a few specific districts, where each judge hears many such cases. Judges often employ special masters to help them with the technology.
And if there is a mistake, all appeals are heard by a single court - the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit, where the judges specialize in patent matters.
I wonder how many times you're going to need to be told that it's not how many fingers used, but HOW they are used that Apple is suing HTC over?