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Nokia Broadens Attack on Apple With New Lawsuit Targeting iPhone and iPad 3G
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haha Nokia Fanboy, Nokia does not want money, they are scared, they want apple to stop selling and fold, I thought it was just dell. So from nokia fantasy, not only apple but every phone company should just fold and give nokia the world.
The way the patent system works, is why. The way it is now, I don't sue you if you have patents against me, so let say Apple had some juicy patents that could cripple Nokia from selling in say USA and Canada, then Nokia would shut up and play ball. But from Nokia view for now, Apple does not have anything to scare them with, that why they bring on a lawsuit like the one they are bringing.
Yes people that how crazy patents have become in Tech world, do I have something that can hurt you, I do ok then you will leave me alone. I know its a simplified version of reality but its for the most part what is going on in the field. So forget all that rights crap, this is about fear tactics as long as you can get away with it.
Don't worry about this, they will look for a patent that rips Nokia in half and shoves it up their back side. Or they will buy someone who has some nice patents that would hurt Nokia in some way, and all this will go away.
Now lets get back to how cool the new iPhone will be vs Nokia's legions of phones.
Sorry mate but this is next to impossible. Nokia and their subsidiaries hold insane amounts of IP on mobile communications technology and unfortunately on that field Apple holds very little. If you want to manufacture mobile communications devices you have to play ball with Nokia. The only ones who don't are some China counterfeiters but then again thats a different story...
One patent infringed is enough to get an injunction. Quantity matters for settlement negotiations, but not if it goes to trial.
To be objective here, if you look through the patents you see the companies are not on equal footing here. If both companies are found violating IP and there are no cross licensing deals then Nokia has to spend a few months redesigning some of their smartphones. Apple would have to get out of the mobile communications business altogether. Then again I believe this will never see court. I even think more then a settlement a partnership would benefit them both against Android (Google), MS and the rest. Then again, even a whisper of some sort of partnership would make US & EU officials and the competitors go ape ****.
Apple uses Skyhook services for location services via WiFi. I'd like to understand how these claims and other claims related to the GSM and GPS hardware itself can be made against Apple when Apple buys chips from vendors who have already paid patent fees. Can they really go after an integrator if they buy chips that are already licensed? Can they double bill like that?
I find the wording of these claims to be really vague and I'd like for someone to explain to me how they could possibly be tenable.
I find the wording of these claims to be really vague and I'd like for someone to explain to me how they could possibly be tenable.
Unfortunately its bit complicated. Many chips are manufactured without a set license. Why? Because for example a hypothetical chip can be used for two tasks but then again a product might use it only for one. Therefore, licensing is left for device manufacturer.
We went over this before with the first Nokia lawsuit: chips aren't always sold with IP royalties already taken care of.
For example, does using an Intel CPU give anyone a license to build a Mac? No, of course not. Ditto for building a TomTom clone with a GPS chip. Buying a chip doesn't give you license to use it in ways that others have a legal grasp on.
Now take a GPRS+UMTS chip. If you only use the GPRS section in a remote meter collector, you might only pay for GPRS fees. You shouldn't have to pay extra for UMTS that you don't use.
In both cases above, royalties depend on your target build device.
As for the current location patent lawsuit, I haven't seen it yet. Off to look now.
It depends. There are a couple of recent supreme court cases that make it pretty tough to get money twice. (Quanta and TransCore)
Ah, because after looking at the location patent in question, it has nothing to do with the hardware itself. It's independent of the exact locating methods involved, which could be GPS, WiFi, cell triangulation or you looking a map and punching in your own coordinates.
The Nokia patent boils down to describing an internal API+service that can accept location requests from multiple applications, with parameter(s) for the position quality desired. The service determines which hardware to use, depending on the quality request and what hardware is working.
For instance, a car navigation app would request a location response within ten feet, while at the same time another app looking for seafood restaurants just needs a location within a mile. The first would get served from GPS (if available) and the second perhaps from cell id.
Apple's Core Location Framework seems to match the Nokia description(s).
Nokia's smartphone market share went UP, not down, last quarter...
"...the mighty Nokia, which recorded a Q1 2010 share of 40 per cent, according to SA, up from 38.2 per cent in Q1 2009 and 38.8 per cent for 2009 as a whole."
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/04/30/q1_2010_smartphone_shipments/
I would bet on it increasing later this year with Symbian^3 and increasingly cheaper handsets. Symbian runs acceptably on much lower spec hardware than Android or iPhone OS needs.
So you know, Jeff Han of NYU had multi-touch demos that far preceded the iPhone (and many of its patents), including pinch to zoom, multi-touch text input, and a whole lot more. Apple shouldn't have a leg to stand on solely from prior art.
You obviously have never taken any E&M courses, have you? Antennas in phones and most devices aren't rabbit ears positioned in an arbitrary direction. These things are precision tuned for specific lengths and at precise angles to maximize transmission and reception, and it's really far from a trivial task. Try making sense of this, and you'll just barely get an idea of what antenna design is about. These things are quite patentable, and ridiculously valuable. The money that goes into designing, tuning and testing is nowhere near insignificant.
Here is the legal analysis of the first lawsuit:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/34964865/Notes-on-Nokia-v-Apple-_121509_1----Richard-Wolfram-_www/
Nokia is basically trying to extort Apple into paying more than the other poolers.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/34964865/Notes-on-Nokia-v-Apple-_121509_1----Richard-Wolfram-_www/
Nokia is basically trying to extort Apple into paying more than the other poolers.
Multi-hand input and even the pinch date from the early 1980s.
Errr... that article says this case will be a test of whether or not reciprocal licensing can be a requirement for FRAND terms.
It also notes that Apple has contributed nothing to the GSM IP pool, and therefore might be required to pay more to share in its benefits.
Also, Nokia's lawsuit asks a jury to set proper fees, so there's no current "extortion".
How ridiculous that you could read that link and draw that conclusion. The analysis there refers to reciprocity and various definitions that may support one side or the other. It also mentions that because Apple was not a contributor to the wireless standards that it is licensing from Nokia, Nokia may be entitled to charge Apple more. It doesn't take sides at all.
*Whoops kdarling beat me to it.*
Nokia is jealous
This is Nokias second time suing Apple
Nokia is coping Apple too
The N900 looks a lot like iPhones it has the same size in the screen.
And almost every company copied Apple.
If Apple never existed technology in handsets and computers would be years behind
This is Nokias second time suing Apple
Nokia is coping Apple too
The N900 looks a lot like iPhones it has the same size in the screen.
And almost every company copied Apple.
If Apple never existed technology in handsets and computers would be years behind
I agree Nokia is looking for money and they're coping Apple
Every company is looking for money.That's why they are in business.
God Bless capitalism.