You shouldn't be able to patent how I use my fingers. Though, on the positive side, I could finally charge your mother licensing fees...
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Nokia Broadens Attack on Apple With New Lawsuit Targeting iPhone and iPad 3G
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You shouldn't be able to patent how I use my fingers. Though, on the positive side, I could finally charge your mother licensing fees...
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Where did Apple lose marketshare? Not world-wide, as they've increased dramatically year-over-year.
I think it's a strategy that many corporations play - infringe for right or wrong, dominate the industry, then write a check for a few billion $ in compensation years later ... giants like MS have done this in the past; Apple still has a long way to go in the smartphone industry and this thing can really drag out.
Too much Apple? You lot seriously need to grow up. Nokia are suing for a legitimate reason: they feel Apple haven't compensated them for their patents.
You say that but Apple's cash reserves are in the region of $38 billion and Nokia's Market cap is 42. They'd have to offer a better price, but Apple aren't far short and could get there within the year.
That's just an interesting fact. Of course they are better off using that cash to take on multiple companies on multiple fronts in the Market place. But it is interesting. Also interesting that they could buy dell outright right now. Anyone remember michael dell's comments back in 97?
Quite frankly, I'm sick of "my patent looks like a dog, smells like a dog and because you have a shitzu and I have a german shepard, well that doesn't really matter, it's still a dog and I patented it first".
Companies that don't make products to sell = NO PATENTS, ever, period, done. I'm sick and tired of "well, we thought of it first, but never really did anything with it but were going to sue your ass because we own it", BS.
Companies that don't make products to sell = NO PATENTS, ever, period, done. I'm sick and tired of "well, we thought of it first, but never really did anything with it but were going to sue your ass because we own it", BS.
They're suing because they believe they have patents that apple is using.
Why add $15 billion to their Cash reserves? they only have $23 according to their most recent quarterly report.
"using positioning data in applications and innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and save space"
Seriously. How many configurations for that can be patented ? Thats ridiculous.
I realize this is an incredibly stupid question, but are trials like these open to the public? I'm from the Madison area, and this would be quite a show.
Maybe its ridiculous to you, an observer ( who on all probabilities know very little about cell phone communication technology - may you do - in which case you could take the opportunity to enlighten us? ) . Nokia obviously thinks differently.
Like all patents, we've all seem some stupid patents, even from Apple. However, our personal thoughts on patents count for very little.
One of my grad electrical engineering classes was in microwave engineering, and dealt mostly with antenna design. I can assure you there are not only an infinite number of such configurations, but figuring out the right one for a given product takes an awful amount of hard work and, sometimes, innovation. (Patents are only awarded for the latter, of course).
yes. But it will be quite awhile before anything interesting happens in court.
when journalist, analyst etc say apple (or any company) has $40B+ they really mean Cash+short term+long term investments. Basically they mean how liquid or near liquid assets they have and can deploy.
Mind you, a company can always borrow/leverage against their own stocks... in fact, that's how it's often done.
Nokia has some of the best internal antennae designs on the market.
Take any 3G Nokia phone and put it up against the iPhone and see which one holds a signal better.
There have been more than one occasion where my N75 work phone has been able to place calls and pull up web pages where my iPhone displayed No Service.
Both are on AT&T.
I thought that it came out that Nokia licensing costs were based on a percentage of the sale price of the phone. Apple's argument is that an iPhone is more than just a phone and that the licensing fees should only be paid on the part of the sale price that is attributed to the phone part.
This argument may have just been speculation, of course.
Home cooking, less culture and climatic shock for visiting Nokia repsMy guess, lower profile, dress rehearsal.
I agree, it's weird.
...though, I gotta say, less culture than what? From the distinct native cultures all the way up, to the most colorful amalgam of foreign cultures in the midwest in Madison in the south, Wisconsin is one of the more culturally interesting states I've ever been in.
...or did you mean less culture [shock] and less climate shock...
What you're describing happens, but has nothing to do with this case. Nokia sells cell phones that use many if not all of the patents in question. So they clearly have the capacity and ability actualize the things they have invented and patented.
You're whole tone paints Nokia in a bad light, but given how arrogant Apple acts in general I'm guessing they were the ones who pushed for better terms than what other cell phone makers get. From what I have read cross licensing is very common between the cell phone makers when dealing with patents. The 'fair' cost often ends up being a mix of cross licensing and cash. Nokia only has to sell the GSM licensing at a fair cost similar to what they charged others. Given how most of the industry works they likely charged others a mix of cash and cross licensing. Apple clearly doesn't want cross licensing and also probably didn't want to pay an increased cash cost to cover it.
At this point both Apple and Nokia have agreed through their actions to let the court decide how much Apple will pay for the licensing. They will pay, it's just a question of how much.
Absolutely. I only used Nokia phones until I bought my first iPhone. Then I got a taste of how bad the phone part worked on the iPhone 2G compared to any of my Nokia phones. The 3GS is better, but still drops calls way more often than it should.
No, Apple lost world wide marketshare in 2009. They only sold more phones but didn't keep up pace with the general smartphone and phone market.
"But that seems to be the message from researchers reporting the iPhone lost market share during the fourth quarter, accounting for 16.6 percent of the market, down from 18.1 percent of smartphone sales in the third quarter."
And in Q1/2010 they only have 16.1 percent. So they are down 2 percent from Q3/09 to Q1/10.
And for 2009:
"Androids marketshare grew 44 percent during the past quarter and almost 100 percent the past year. This is while the iPhones marketshare fell 4.5 percent and 10.2 percent during the same periods."
you're looking at a different balance sheet to me. I see 7 biilion cash and 33 current assets. I underestimated. Take off 12 bill current liabilities if you like, but why?
Goes to show you can prove anything with statistics.
iPhone Smartphone Market Share
1st Qtr 2010 = 16.1%
1st Qtr 2009 = 10.9%
Apple had the highest growth of any of the major smartphone manufacturers over the last year.
Excuse me, but Nokia has used these patents extensively in their phones since the patents were granted. How can you say they are just sitting on them?
Do you guys even understand how much Nokia invested in R&D when the industry was new? Apple came VERY late into the game when phones were relatively modern and just added some bells and whistles on top of the extremely costly technology that they ripped. A phone is SO much more than a nice UI and a touch screen.
Apple is their normal arrogant "I don't like them, hence I'll bitch" here, but this time they are barking at the wrong tree and finally getting what they deserve. (Unless the US court favors American companies, which it is known to do).