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Nokia Increases Scope of Patent Complaints to Include 'Virtually All' Apple Products
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I agree with you, but on both sides of the matter. But I'm not exactly ceratin what real point you are trying to make. After all, this is a "RUMORS" site. It could also be called "Gossip" if that helps you understand it any better. So you know how different the story and opinions change so very quickly. If you came here looking for a high degree of accuracy with "Just the facts Maam", you squarely don't know where you are.
Are you kidding 2007 who was president then?
Everyone naively thought the same thing in 2007 when the ITC banned import of all CDMA handsets.
Neither the courts nor the president acted to dismiss the ban, either.[/QUOTE]
Totally different world we are in today, so lets keep reality in the here and now.
Everyone naively thought the same thing in 2007 when the ITC banned import of all CDMA handsets.
Neither the courts nor the president acted to dismiss the ban, either.[/QUOTE]
Totally different world we are in today, so lets keep reality in the here and now.
Oh no you did not say that
haha, big time Trolling, or is it just Nokia in the forum?
haha, big time Trolling, or is it just Nokia in the forum?
We only have Apple's word that that's what Nokia demanded at this point whilst Nokia are saying they tried multiple attempts to come to agreement including cross-licencing. Seems to me that Nokia have attempted multiple avenues to come to an agreement but Apple just don't want to pay.
If negotiations break down, where else is there but the court?
From Apple’s counter-suit
36. Breaching F/RAND commitments, as Nokia has done here, undermines the pro-competitive safeguards put in place as SSOs. By seeking to capitalize on a patent’s actual or purported incorporation into a standard, the patentee violates the very commitment that led to the incorporation of that technology in the first place.
Nokia have been very dumb. The worst that can happen is Apple have to pay F/RAND rates for the technology (which they’ve either paid for through third-party licensees already) or have withheld thus far due to rate dispute.
Everything Apple has used is clearly part of the GSM standard created and implemented by the European telecommunications ministries on behalf of the European Commission and including Nokia technology at Nokia's urging.
Nokia on the other hand could find itself losing patent control if it’s been found to abuse it’s position and potentially much worse lose the right to various technologies patented by Apple.
Nokia could really end up regretting this - in a quite staggeringly big way.
36. Breaching F/RAND commitments, as Nokia has done here, undermines the pro-competitive safeguards put in place as SSOs. By seeking to capitalize on a patent’s actual or purported incorporation into a standard, the patentee violates the very commitment that led to the incorporation of that technology in the first place.
Nokia have been very dumb. The worst that can happen is Apple have to pay F/RAND rates for the technology (which they’ve either paid for through third-party licensees already) or have withheld thus far due to rate dispute.
Everything Apple has used is clearly part of the GSM standard created and implemented by the European telecommunications ministries on behalf of the European Commission and including Nokia technology at Nokia's urging.
Nokia on the other hand could find itself losing patent control if it’s been found to abuse it’s position and potentially much worse lose the right to various technologies patented by Apple.
Nokia could really end up regretting this - in a quite staggeringly big way.
I agree, Nokia haven't done anything innovating in the last few years, but why exactly do they need to disappear? Because they are poking Apple in the eye? I honestly have to ask why are people so stubborn into believing that Apple always does good. This lawsuit has nothing to do with the fact that Nokia is a dead end company, because they aren't.
Everyone in here, based on obvious cognitive biases, insist that Nokia is suing Apple because they are doing extremely well. Does anyone have any proof at all of this argument?
And no, I'm not asking for numbers, we already know them. I'm not asking for biased opinions either.
If Nokia had all these patents in place, all of which they claim are what makes the iPhone the phone that it is, why didn't Nokia bring out their own "iPhone" long before Apple did?
Hmmm?
Hmmm?
Very interesting — going by the slipshod way the rest the NOKIA corporation is run, I wouldn't be surprised if your on to something with your theory.
the basis of the GSM suit is well founded and is 100% in Nokia's favour. Apple even come close to admitting it.
I just don't know why Apple won't pay the same dues as everyone else..?
the rest of it I don't really know.
I just don't know why Apple won't pay the same dues as everyone else..?
the rest of it I don't really know.
Apple should just buy nokia and buy another iTrademark.
Maybe iNokia, it can be a pet rock game for the new iSlate.
Maybe iNokia, it can be a pet rock game for the new iSlate.
Nokia is no David, but you have a point, it's ridiculous to think about taking on APPLE with a patent fight, unless you are a patent troll and aren't actually manufacturing anything.
You really don't know much at all. Apple would pay the dues. The complaint is that Nokia wants more than the same dues.
because they didn't believe that anyone would want anything other than a 'really good' phone as their no. 1 priority.
for all its' good points, it isn't a good phone in the traditional sense of the word.
Really?
"73. Even if Apple were to subsequently pay past due F/RAND royalites, it would still enjoy a market share it otherwise would not have but for the period of “free riding.” Nokia would likewise lose its portion of the market share for the period of the “free riding.” Due to the difficulty in predicting whether, if at all, such market share can be recovered, Nokia’s harm cannot be compensated by payment of past due F/RAND royalties alone."
So if Apple had been paying the royalites from the beginning, thier market share would be different now?
HOW SO?
"73. Even if Apple were to subsequently pay past due F/RAND royalites, it would still enjoy a market share it otherwise would not have but for the period of “free riding.” Nokia would likewise lose its portion of the market share for the period of the “free riding.” Due to the difficulty in predicting whether, if at all, such market share can be recovered, Nokia’s harm cannot be compensated by payment of past due F/RAND royalties alone."
So if Apple had been paying the royalites from the beginning, thier market share would be different now?
HOW SO?
do your research and then come back.
Nokia wants the same percentage from Apple as it has requested (and received) form every other mobile maker who weren't part of the original GSM co-alition.
change the location in your profile, you are giving the rest of us a bad name..
Of course all the fanboys missing a key statement here
Apple pretty much said so what if we are infringing Nokia didn't offer us a fee we felt was fair, so we infringed on it anyways.
Apple pretty much said so what if we are infringing Nokia didn't offer us a fee we felt was fair, so we infringed on it anyways.
It gets better. Apple outlines the nature of Nokia's potentially illegal strong-arm tactics. ( Apple specifically claims Nokia to be unlawful in article 84)
From Apple's counter-claim;
Article 81. In Particular, in or about the spring of 2008, Nokia demanded that, as part of it’s compensation for licensing Nokia’s portfolio of purported essential patents, Apple must grant Nokia a license to a particular number of Apple non-standards-essential patents...Apple immediately rejected the proposal and reiterated Apple’s position that Nokia’s F/RAND obligations required it to licence Nokia’s purportedly essential technologies.
Article 82. ...In or about May 2009, Nokia demanded a royalty approximately three times as much as the royalty proposed the prior spring, which was itself in excess of a F/RAND rate, as well as “picks’ to Apple’s non-standards-essential patents.
Nokia have been very naughty.
do your research and then come back.
Nokia wants the same percentage from Apple as it has requested (and received) form every other mobile maker who weren't part of the original GSM co-alition.
change the location in your profile, you are giving the rest of us a bad name..
According to the pleadings, you're wrong. Nokia wanted a cross-license, which it got from no one else.
what about an iNuke: for hobby terrorists, dictators, pinky and the brain, and everyone else with world domination plans
they can send one to finland as settlement
ok without kidding, patents somehow seem like these bad powerful things in corporate politics, much analogous to nukes, just that there are many corporate-heat-heads who do not think before using them...