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Nokia Increases Scope of Patent Complaints to Include 'Virtually All' Apple Products
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No, not really. The companies who contributed R/D to the consortium that came up with the standards get better rates--Ericsson, for example, pays less, because they helped design/build the system. Apple came in wanting to get a piece of the pie, and Nokia is saying sure--but since they didn't contribute, they have to pay more.
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
IIRC, Apple and RIM have been taking market share from everyone else.
IIRC, Apple and RIM have been taking market share from everyone else.
With THIS attitude toward tech . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOgOP_aqqtg
does it come as any surprise?
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What? I didn't see anyone crying for Apple to "innovate" their way out" of the recent charger design infringement.
I assume that anyone who infringes on Apple tech are thieves but anything that Apple infringes on is a-ok?
Why don't apple "innovate" themselves some of their own GSM tech?
*LTD* said:
What? I didn't see anyone crying for Apple to "innovate" their way out" of the recent charger design infringement.
I assume that anyone who infringes on Apple tech are thieves but anything that Apple infringes on is a-ok?
Why don't apple "innovate" themselves some of their own GSM tech?
maybe we would have something faster, that needs less power, if someone else would have had one more time for research.
maybe mobile phones would work as data networks from the beginning, sip/VoIP like, ...
Ooh, the irony being that all Nokia smartphones come with inbuilt SIP stacks already and have done for some years now...unlike Apple. It's not Nokia dragging their feet with implementing modern phone features.
At face value, Apple is due special treatment for being Apple. The benefit of the doubt has to go somewhere, and it should rightfully go to Apple. Now, getting beyond all that, if they are infringing they're liable to make recompense. Unfortunately, Nokia's timing, their performance over the last two years, and their complete inability to compete, including their ludicrous claim of inlcuding "virtually all" Apple products, speaks volumes and makes Apple look like quite the injured party.
+1
Play with a lion and it may tolerate it, but try to take away its meat and you can count on getting bitten.
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The same could apply to Apple when they countersued Nokia. Apple didn't have a problem with the patent infringement until Nokia couldn't reach a deal and went ahead with the original suit.
The tit for tat nature of all this doesn't invalidate any of the issues so far, nor does it mean either party should get off scott free.
I understand this is an Apple oriented forum, but some of the remarks in this thread are well off base.
*LTD* said:
The same could apply to Apple when they countersued Nokia. Apple didn't have a problem with the patent infringement until Nokia couldn't reach a deal and went ahead with the original suit.
The tit for tat nature of all this doesn't invalidate any of the issues so far, nor does it mean either party should get off scott free.
I understand this is an Apple oriented forum, but some of the remarks in this thread are well off base.
On the patent prosecution and defense front, we have the issue of prior art which often kills even issued patents. As a tactic Apple is likely to go forward with as much as they can there right away to "narrow the issues for the court".
Most patents, no matter how innovative have no commercial value because integrating even a great idea into a product has so many hurtles to overcome, from testing to design, to capitalization, marketing, customer adoption, etc.
It is not until somebody actually gathers together hundreds of ideas and makes a product like an iPod or iPhone, is it even worth it to spend the funds to protect patents. Apple by being very successful is an "attractive target" for patent trolls, patent owners, and also sheisters, and wannabees.
As has been shown by the many patent trolls out there, it is often more profitable to close down productive product operations entirely and devote one's corporate life to intellectual property claims. The law favors it more than producing an actual product, so why not?
Nokia may not get entirely out of product production, but they are about to embark on a path of devoting considerable capital and corporate mind share to lawsuits. Apple tends to fight to the bitter end, even though they do not always win.
Rocketman
Most patents, no matter how innovative have no commercial value because integrating even a great idea into a product has so many hurtles to overcome, from testing to design, to capitalization, marketing, customer adoption, etc.
It is not until somebody actually gathers together hundreds of ideas and makes a product like an iPod or iPhone, is it even worth it to spend the funds to protect patents. Apple by being very successful is an "attractive target" for patent trolls, patent owners, and also sheisters, and wannabees.
As has been shown by the many patent trolls out there, it is often more profitable to close down productive product operations entirely and devote one's corporate life to intellectual property claims. The law favors it more than producing an actual product, so why not?
Nokia may not get entirely out of product production, but they are about to embark on a path of devoting considerable capital and corporate mind share to lawsuits. Apple tends to fight to the bitter end, even though they do not always win.
Rocketman
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This isn't about who has the "best" phone.
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This isn't about who has the "best" phone.
Apple's chargers are not an international standard, now, are they?
When you form an international standard, the landscape changes. In order to get all the cell phone carriers of the world to build infrastructure supporting your standard (GSM, say), you need to exhibit proof that this standard is free from restrictive licenses (meaning, licenses which are not available to competitors under fair and non-discriminatory [FAND] terms). That's the price of entry.
The same type of argument lies under the Microsoft anti-trust lawsuits: the rules change once you become too big to compete.
In general, Apple has stayed away from such situations, whether that be by choice or by circumstance, so there simply is no equivalent for Apple in recent memory. The closest would be the Firewire standard; if you can find anyone suing Apple specifically for jacking up the price of a Firewire license for specific companies or markets, you might have a case there.
Wow, think of all the starving children we could feed with the millions of dollars wasted on pointless lawsuits like this.
Like I said, someone would take issue with it.
I stopped reading here. What a stupid statement.
ITC typically acts in the interest of American companies, where's Qualcomm based? The chance that the ITC will make any such ban on products of an American company that have been shipping for years. Zero to None.
It would be actually better for Nokia to disappear now,,,
then we would remember the good times and not their 21st century agony.
I feel sad that after imposing the only logical and user friendly menu, having the most pleasant materials and the best keyboard lighting just to name a couple of examples, Nokia has not made any step forward.
Nokia has neglected to care about their brand image, closing plants, throwing thousand of employees on the street to produce cheaper further east and now this ridiculous lawsuit
Nokia, you lost it, admit it
then we would remember the good times and not their 21st century agony.
I feel sad that after imposing the only logical and user friendly menu, having the most pleasant materials and the best keyboard lighting just to name a couple of examples, Nokia has not made any step forward.
Nokia has neglected to care about their brand image, closing plants, throwing thousand of employees on the street to produce cheaper further east and now this ridiculous lawsuit
Nokia, you lost it, admit it
Nope, Nokia has asked for exactly the same amount (5 percent of revenue), Apple doesn't even deny that. They are just saying that it is to much. Quite a tough argument as 30+ mobile companies agreed to pay the exactly same amount to Nokia before. Even those companies that sued Nokia because of their patents asked for that amount because it's been the standard FRAND amount in the mobile sector. Just Apple didn't want to pay.
So Apple said "Ok, we're not licencing your tech because it's too much for us, we're just stealing it! HAHA!"
We'll just have to see what the infringement of 10 patents does to that fortune. And how much is left after they payoff Nokia 5-10% of it.
By the time this is over, I have a feeling Apple will wish they'd never gotten away from computers and into iCrap.
And the fanbois will have moved on to the next greatest cheapest piece of crap from China. From someone other than Apple.
We'll just have to see what the infringement of 10 patents does to that fortune. And how much is left after they payoff Nokia 50-80% of it.
By the time this is over, I have a feeling Apple will wish they'd never gotten away from computers and into iCrap.
And the fanbois will have moved on to the next greatest cheapest piece of crap from China. From someone other than Apple.
If you want your tech toys not made in China, another good reason to buy Nokias--the high-end ones are made in Finland
At least the N900 will run some iPhone apps very soon. I wonder why that hasn't been mentioned here or on Engadget as I see a huge flame war coming... Stay tuned