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Apple TV as airtunes?

Anybody know if the new apple tv will show up as airtunes speakers in iTunes like an airport express? I think the old one did that, but I'm not sure. I would like to be able to stream music to my stereo from my mac without having to turn on the Apple tv and use its interface to find the song I want to hear that's already playing on my computer...
 
On a more serious note.... does anyone think the new iTunes logo is much uglier than the old one?????

Yea, I was thinking the same thing. I'm just gonna change it back to the old one. I also don't like the button placement or how all the icons are black and white now.
 
I may be in the minority here, but I actually really like the device that they are calling the Nano now, although I think it might should have been introduced as a different product altogether, instead of replacing the Nano. It's very small, has lots of storage space (for its size), a color touch screen, and still has hardware volume buttons. I love the concept, and have ordered one already to replace my last gen Shuffle and Nano combined, since with the Shuffle I could never select individual tracks that I wanted, and with the Nano I hated having a 3rd party case just to clip it on my shirt or belt when working out. Plus, I never ever used the video camera function of the Nano one single time. Nor have I ever watched video on a screen as small as the Nano. I only bought the last gen Nano for the FM receiver, which this new one has. The new "Nano" is the perfect device for me to merge my Shuffle and Nano usage into one device. But, as I said, I think it should have been introduced as an entirely new iPod line, because I can still see many people wanting the features the last gen Nano has that got removed with this new Nano.
 
My thoughts:

iPod Shuffle
Click wheel lives! Stop say it doesn't. This is the gym device, the jogging device. More features. At $49, it gets people in the door and makes a good stocking stuffer at Christmas.

iPod Nano
This is only disappointing if you only compare it to the previous model's ability to take and view video. Yes, that is a disappointment, but if everyone is taking video with their phones it might not be a huge problem. How many of you complainers were regularly viewing/shooting video on a Nano?

Otherwise this is an amazingly cool device. Touch on a device this small? This is SF stuff.

iPod touch
Nice that it got Retina'd and gyroed and A4ed. Not good that the camera is not even 1 megapixel. Not good that 64GB is still the top of the line.

Apple TV
Like the Netflix, wonder if my current Apple TV will get an iOS update ever, or is it only going to be possible to buy movies if I stick to my old device and never upgrade? Or is Apple now saying they don't want you buying on Apple TV, buy on iTunes instead?
 
Nano-Shuffle headphone controls?

Does anyone know if the headphones can control volume and activate Voiceover (like the previous model of shuffle)?

I find it useful (and intuitive) to control the playback with the headphone controls. I think it is nice to bring the buttons back for rarely used functions (last song and scrub a song), but for routine start/stop and vol up/down, I like the controls on the headphones because it is easy to remember the orientation of the controls relative to their hanging orientation to my head.
My experience with the previous buttoned shuffle is that if the unit was clipped right-side-up or upside-down, it would throw me off when trying to control volume (without looking at the unit).
In addition, the headphone controls make it easy to find and pause the music when someone asks me a question. With the previous buttoned shuffle, I would have to reach to find the shuffle on my clothing and then press the play/pause button.

cheers,
 
Steve fails. Nano is pathetic. No point to a touch screen on a device that small. It can't even play video! Seriously. Apple TV fails too. What a giant leap backwards! He is totally off the mark in saying people don't want a computer for their TV. I've been saying this for a very long time, and here is what I think Apple TV needs to succeed...

Apple needs to create a one stop box for consumers to have in their living rooms (kind of what like the xbox hoped to be, but failed because its marketed only to gamers). At the moment we have a bunch of different boxes and remotes in our living rooms. What I want is a box that can do everything.

1) Download apps, and not just crappy iOS apps either. I'm talking full blown games to rival PS3 and 360.
2) Stream stuff wirelessly from my Mac iTunes libraries
3) Stream stuff wirelessly from the net
4) Play my blu-ray movies (yes blu-ray optical drive included please)
5) Full 1080p res

Minimizing functions (doing a few key things well) may work for things like the iPad where aesthetics and ergonomics are paramount, but for the Apple TV, well Steve needs to toss that logic. Less is NOT more with the Apple TV. People want it to do as much as it possibly can. At the moment there is no decent online store for TV apps, I dont want a PS3 AND an Apple TV. I just want an Apple Box!

blu ray is key to apple tv. at 150-175$. it would sell all day long!
apple tv with a blu ray drive and a hard drive to sync. (invent a super easy automatic sync if it confuses people, you invented the iphone surely you can make syncing easy!?)
and the blu ray support and/or drive would be lovely in the rest of the products
 
iPod Touch camera(s)

The front camera is likely identical to the iPhone, however the rear-facing one is not. They are likely not "limiting" a 5MP backlit CMOS like the iPhone 4 has. Note that the specs say "Tap to control exposure for video or stills", but mentions nothing of tapping to achieve AF. Also note, the iPod Touch got thinner (0.28 inches), making it almost impossible for it to house the same unit that barely fits in the iPhone 4 (0.37 inches). It may be a backlit CMOS (probably CMOS to support 720P off-load speed, but backlit design not a given), but it likely has no AF architecture and is likely a cheaper unit altogether (lower res = higher yield in the factory) than the one featured on the iPhone 4.

In short, don't be surprised if this is the stuff of cheap webcams, and not related to a cell-phone unit or cheap p&s camera sensor.
 
Steve fails. Nano is pathetic. No point to a touch screen on a device that small. It can't even play video! Seriously. Apple TV fails too. What a giant leap backwards! He is totally off the mark in saying people don't want a computer for their TV. I've been saying this for a very long time, and here is what I think Apple TV needs to succeed...

Apple needs to create a one stop box for consumers to have in their living rooms (kind of what like the xbox hoped to be, but failed because its marketed only to gamers). At the moment we have a bunch of different boxes and remotes in our living rooms. What I want is a box that can do everything.

1) Download apps, and not just crappy iOS apps either. I'm talking full blown games to rival PS3 and 360.
2) Stream stuff wirelessly from my Mac iTunes libraries
3) Stream stuff wirelessly from the net
4) Play my blu-ray movies (yes blu-ray optical drive included please)
5) Full 1080p res

Minimizing functions (doing a few key things well) may work for things like the iPad where aesthetics and ergonomics are paramount, but for the Apple TV, well Steve needs to toss that logic. Less is NOT more with the Apple TV. People want it to do as much as it possibly can. At the moment there is no decent online store for TV apps, I dont want a PS3 AND an Apple TV. I just want an Apple Box!

Waaaa waaaaa.....I want I want!
The only thing pathetic here is you :p
 
For the first time in awhile, I'm actually pretty disappointed by Apple's announcements.

The Shuffle is basically back to it's old design, complete with buttons. Which is good, but it should have never changed in the first place.

The Touch is basically a thinner iPhone 4, without the phone and with a crappier camera.

The new Apple TV is generally fine, but you can't purchase movies or TV shows directly on it... You can only rent. To buy movies and TV shows, you need to do so on your computer, iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad. So to use your Apple TV with purchased material, it requires having one or more of those devices on and connected to your network. Yes, most people are only interested in renting content, but still... It shows that Apple isn't interested in supporting its customers that enjoy owning their movies and TV shows.

And the Nano is the worst "improvement" of all. No camera, no video playback (which, granted, would be silly on such a small screen) an cranky I think the lack of physical buttons (other than volume control) makes it harder for joggers to scroll through their music. It's a useless device.

What a letdown.
 
iLife 011

What? No new version of iLife? How disappointing. Its like Apple wants the new Microsoft Office version for Mac to win out! I was looking forward to some new software. Oh well, maybe in 2012.
 
Apple TV needs apps and game pad

The Apple TV could have been really enticing with apps and an optional game pad for $40.
 
Steve fails. Nano is pathetic. No point to a touch screen on a device that small. It can't even play video! Seriously. Apple TV fails too. What a giant leap backwards! He is totally off the mark in saying people don't want a computer for their TV. I've been saying this for a very long time, and here is what I think Apple TV needs to succeed...

Apple needs to create a one stop box for consumers to have in their living rooms (kind of what like the xbox hoped to be, but failed because its marketed only to gamers). At the moment we have a bunch of different boxes and remotes in our living rooms. What I want is a box that can do everything.

1) Download apps, and not just crappy iOS apps either. I'm talking full blown games to rival PS3 and 360.
2) Stream stuff wirelessly from my Mac iTunes libraries
3) Stream stuff wirelessly from the net
4) Play my blu-ray movies (yes blu-ray optical drive included please)
5) Full 1080p res

Minimizing functions (doing a few key things well) may work for things like the iPad where aesthetics and ergonomics are paramount, but for the Apple TV, well Steve needs to toss that logic. Less is NOT more with the Apple TV. People want it to do as much as it possibly can. At the moment there is no decent online store for TV apps, I dont want a PS3 AND an Apple TV. I just want an Apple Box!

Oh I think they invented that a while ago. What was it called... hmmm... OH YEAH!!! A COMPUTER!!!
 
What? No new version of iLife? How disappointing. Its like Apple wants the new Microsoft Office version for Mac to win out! I was looking forward to some new software. Oh well, maybe in 2012.

iLife and Office are not the same types of software. They do not compete in any market whatsoever.
 
the camera subtraction may have had something to do with gyms banning it because it had one... notice both the small ipods have clips now.
 
Somewhat confused on the vertical orientation of the buttons in iTunes... ? I guess it's to save space at the top?

I think they made it look like that so it appears more like a traffic light. It does make sense for people who have never used a Mac before, I supposed. At first glance, the colours may not be intuitive. That's my guess anyway!
 
Steve fails. Nano is pathetic. No point to a touch screen on a device that small. It can't even play video! Seriously. Apple TV fails too. What a giant leap backwards! He is totally off the mark in saying people don't want a computer for their TV. I've been saying this for a very long time, and here is what I think Apple TV needs to succeed...

Apple needs to create a one stop box for consumers to have in their living rooms (kind of what like the xbox hoped to be, but failed because its marketed only to gamers). At the moment we have a bunch of different boxes and remotes in our living rooms. What I want is a box that can do everything.

1) Download apps, and not just crappy iOS apps either. I'm talking full blown games to rival PS3 and 360.
2) Stream stuff wirelessly from my Mac iTunes libraries
3) Stream stuff wirelessly from the net
4) Play my blu-ray movies (yes blu-ray optical drive included please)
5) Full 1080p res

Minimizing functions (doing a few key things well) may work for things like the iPad where aesthetics and ergonomics are paramount, but for the Apple TV, well Steve needs to toss that logic. Less is NOT more with the Apple TV. People want it to do as much as it possibly can. At the moment there is no decent online store for TV apps, I dont want a PS3 AND an Apple TV. I just want an Apple Box!

Sounds like you're out of luck, be happy with your PS3. It's an awesome device and Apple probably won't create a device that can top it anytime soon. Because you basically just described a gaming console. And sadly, the iconsole is a pipe dream...
 
Steve fails. Nano is pathetic. No point to a touch screen on a device that small. It can't even play video! Seriously. Apple TV fails too. What a giant leap backwards! He is totally off the mark in saying people don't want a computer for their TV. I've been saying this for a very long time, and here is what I think Apple TV needs to succeed...

It is a little disappointing that the nano is now the shuffletouch (although I've only ever bought one nano and one shuffle so the product probably isn't targeted toward me) but I think the AppleTV is pretty good considering the content producers still don't want to play ball for fear of killing their cable company cash cow.

Apple needs to create a one stop box for consumers to have in their living rooms (kind of what like the xbox hoped to be, but failed because its marketed only to gamers). At the moment we have a bunch of different boxes and remotes in our living rooms. What I want is a box that can do everything.

I agree with you that the xbox tried and fell short but to brush it aside as being a game machine is kind of silly when you consider the iPod touch is now being heavily marketed as a gaming console.

1) Download apps, and not just crappy iOS apps either. I'm talking full blown games to rival PS3 and 360.

Uh, so you want it to be a game machine now? In all seriousness, how are you going to interact with this device? Currently the only way to interact with your tv is via some sort of motion control (which is okay but slow since it is hard to point at something so far away with enough accuracy), remote control (which gives you a nightmare of buttons), or game controller (which is not immediately intuitive to people since they can't label what the buttons and sticks do due to variable nature of their function). I left out the xbox having voice control soon due to the fact that voice control has never worked and probably never will for anything more than play/stop/skip chapter.

2) Stream stuff wirelessly from my Mac iTunes libraries
3) Stream stuff wirelessly from the net

It can do this for the most part.

4) Play my blu-ray movies (yes blu-ray optical drive included please)5) Full 1080p res

Apple is attempting to replace physical media (eg: iTunes icon). They have no reason to include blu-ray when it will only increase costs and hurt their iTunes store business especially when many people who want blu-ray already have blu-ray.

Minimizing functions (doing a few key things well) may work for things like the iPad where aesthetics and ergonomics are paramount, but for the Apple TV, well Steve needs to toss that logic. Less is NOT more with the Apple TV. People want it to do as much as it possibly can. At the moment there is no decent online store for TV apps, I dont want a PS3 AND an Apple TV. I just want an Apple Box!

Who are these people? Do you have data? Where is it? Are you more then one person? If you are talking for yourself please just say so. You'll look better in the long run if you admit your bias and don't try to hide it by claiming a majority opinion.

As far as "minimizing" this is what Apple excels at. It is their main goal when you look at almost everything they do. Their hardware is extremely minimalistic (eg: iPad launch keynote makes a huge point of this). While I agree that it is neat to run applications on the same device as your tv/media viewing device I don't agree that I am in the majority. I think most people just want to watch stuff. For those who want a computer for their tv, buy a computer (the iMac has a huge screen that is mountable and the Mac mini has HDMI now).
 
the camera subtraction may have had something to do with gyms banning it because it had one... notice both the small ipods have clips now.

I keep hearing Gyms banning things but I've seen people using smartphones, iPhones and iTouchs...not to mention the pre-gen nano with camera, while working out.
:rolleyes:

Clearly my particular gym (a national chain) is very relaxed when it comes to such things.

Just thought of a way I can test the 720p video on the touch... :|
 
How will AirPlay work?

Will you be able to stream any content from your MacBook to the AppleTV? If I have say an mkv, will my Macbook be able to stream the content to the AppleTV?
 
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