NVMe with ST-NGFF2013-C; Vega Internal GPU; Mac Pro 2013 (6,1)

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  1. gammarART macrumors newbie

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    What heatsink did you use?
    And how do you installed it on the SSD?
     
  2. th0masp macrumors regular

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    Its an EK Water Blocks EK-m.2 as mentioned in the start post. It's attached via clamps.
     
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  4. flygbuss macrumors 6502

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    First thing that came to my head when I saw the image.. :rolleyes:
     
  5. Hirezgraphics macrumors newbie

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    Hello all...ordered all the components but Canada Post is on strike here :mad:, so who knows when I'll get the goodies. I picked up a Mac Pro the other day that did not come with a stock SSD, so I'm on the hunt for one that I can just get the boot rom updated with. Anybody have a compatible Apple SSD they are willing to part with, or lend? Even if I order off E-Bay, it will be awhile before I get it.

    This thread has been awesome and the information provided is appreciated. Thanks to all the testers! :D
     
  6. th0masp macrumors regular

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    Ok, I had a look at the parts I've now got

    - SSD 970 Pro 1TB
    - Heatsink EK-m.2
    - Sintech NGFF2013-C

    When the heatsink is installed the SSD blade sits at an angle on top of the adapter and due to this a bit of strain is applied to the SSD connector <-> adapter interface when it's screwed down. Haven't seen this discussed here in the thread. That looks like it can't be good over time - especially when the whole assembly warms up. Anybody encountered this and dealt with it?


    Is it possible (and advisable!) to simply cut the adapter on the empty part of the PCB (before the first heatsink clamp) or is the full length needed to isolate the SSD assembly from the computer?
     

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  7. RxJemm macrumors member

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    Looking good!

    Unfortunately the Mac will not update the Boot ROM from a USB external even with the NvME 960 Pro removed. Off to eBay to find a replacement Apple SSD.. o_O
     
  8. Hirezgraphics macrumors newbie

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    Searching for an Apple SSD. Can anybody confirm that the SSD enclosed will work with the late 2013 to keep the Mac Pro's Boot Rom up to date? Thanks in advance!
     

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  9. tsialex macrumors 601

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    Yes. You can use SSUAX or SSUBX into a MP6,1.
     
  10. Hirezgraphics macrumors newbie

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    Thanks! Appreciate the speedy reply!
     
  11. iMactouch macrumors member

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    That are nearly the same speeds I am getting with an SSUBX SSD from Apple.
    Is this the maximum speed of the Mac Pro?
     
  12. gammarART macrumors newbie

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    Did anybody successfully installed a Crucial P1 CT1000P1SSD8 1TB ?

    Reads and writes with only 2000/1750 MB/s at the maximum but the Mac Pro makes only ~ 1000/1400 MB/s...
     
  13. sdshannon macrumors member

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    lol it does look like a sad face lol. I'm still on 127.0.0.0.0
    --- Post Merged, Nov 21, 2018 ---
    You have made that statement before but from the looks of it, the Sammy is 300MB faster write and 100MB faster Read, than your stock SSD based on the speed test.

    My previous Apple stock ssd was 800/700. this was a big increase for my Mac Pro.

    so.. cool for you?
    --- Post Merged, Nov 21, 2018 ---
    mine sat little more flush but when I put the screw in, I didn't tighten it all the way. That way it wouldn't flex as hard.
     
  14. tsialex macrumors 601

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    This week 10.14.2 DP4 still has 127.0.0.0.0:

    Code:
    Apple ROM Version
      Model:        MP61
      EFI Version:  127.0.0.0.0
      Built by:     root@saumon
      Date:         Mon Sep 17 15:11:58 PDT 2018
      Revision:     127 (B&I)
      ROM Version:  F000_D00
      Build Type:   Official Build, Release
      Compiler:     Apple clang version 3.0 (tags/Apple/clang-211.10.1) (based on LLVM 3.0svn)
    
     
  15. saulinpa macrumors 6502a

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    What else could we be expecting for the nMP firmware?
     
  16. tsialex macrumors 601

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    MP6,1 Firmware is mature and already had all the things that Apple did on MP5,1 this year.

    The only thing that I expect from now on is security updates for the firmware, Intel microcode updates and GPU firmware tweaks.
     
  17. flygbuss macrumors 6502

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    Will I be able to do firmware upgrades with the AngelShark that allows me to keep my original apple drive as well?

    Thank you!
     
  18. Kris Kelvin macrumors regular

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    Unfortunately not.
     
  19. flygbuss macrumors 6502

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    This really is a pity.. I was looking for a solution where I don’t have to rebuild the drive every time an update is necessary. Thank you!
     
  20. tsialex macrumors 601

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    I was testing a way to upgrade MP61 firmwares without the need to use the original SSD. I sent some samples to @CodeJingle but I don't know if he tested it yet.

    The way I devised is a clean reconstruction of the MP61 firmware, much like what I do for MP5,1 but more complex since MP6,1 has more things to do into the firmware, like MACAdresses where MP5,1 it's on a separate SPI flash.

    If someone here has a MP6,1 MATT card, I can re-start testing it again.
     
  21. CC88 macrumors regular

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    Dear all

    I'm looking around for upgrading my MacPro 6.1 actual SSD. I installed Mojave 10.4.1 and than back to High Sierra due to some GPU problem but that's another story.

    Now I bought this on Amazon:
    https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B01GJVFKP8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    There is a review and someone say it's ok on his nMP 2013 and Samsung EVO 960.

    So I bought from Amazon warehouse a 960EVO 1tb for 230 euro.

    Below some questions I have not find answer around:
    - do my macpro support sleep function again or not? It's a primary function for me. If not have to get all back
    - after installing the new drive can i carbon copy cloner the old one over the new one and be up and running in 15 minutes?

    Any other suggestions you would like to give?

    All the best,
    Claudio.
     
  22. cgscotto macrumors newbie

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    I have an adapter and a samsung 960 pro in my 6,1, and i have sleep functions with no problems. Yes, you can carbon copy clone the data from your original drive to thr new one.

    I used a different adapter than the one you referenced:

    http://eshop.sintech.cn/ngff-m2-pcie-ssd-card-as-2013-2014-2015-macbook-ssd-p-1229.html

    This is the adapter listed on the first page of the post. You can find it on ebay.
     
  23. tsialex macrumors 601

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    10.14.2 has the same 127.0.0.0.0 BootROM:

    Code:
    $IBIOSI$ MP61.88Z.0125.B00.1809171517
    Copyright (c) 2005-2018 Apple Inc.  All rights reserved.
    Apple ROM Version
      Model:        MP61
      EFI Version:  127.0.0.0.0
      Built by:     root@saumon
      Date:         Mon Sep 17 15:11:58 PDT 2018
      Revision:     127 (B&I)
      ROM Version:  F000_D00
      Build Type:   Official Build, Release
      Compiler:     Apple clang version 3.0 (tags/Apple/clang-211.10.1) (based on LLVM 3.0svn)
    
     
  24. CC88 macrumors regular

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    Thank you very much. I bought that adapter because is sold and shipped from amazon prime and it is here in two days. In the case it doesn’t work I will sure search for the sintech you have linked to me.

    Thank you very much for your answer really really appreciated. Very nice that in the case it work in sleep mode without problems.
     
  25. RxJemm macrumors member

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    There seems to have been other ROM payload(s) though as 10.14.2 sent my 6,1 with 860 EVO into an update bootloop while 10.4.1 did not.. I had to remove the 860 Evo to get it to stop.
     

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