NVMe with ST-NGFF2013-C; Vega Internal GPU; Mac Pro 2013 (6,1)

Hirezgraphics

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Hello all...ordered all the components but Canada Post is on strike here :mad:, so who knows when I'll get the goodies. I picked up a Mac Pro the other day that did not come with a stock SSD, so I'm on the hunt for one that I can just get the boot rom updated with. Anybody have a compatible Apple SSD they are willing to part with, or lend? Even if I order off E-Bay, it will be awhile before I get it.

This thread has been awesome and the information provided is appreciated. Thanks to all the testers! :D
 

th0masp

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Mar 16, 2015
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Ok, I had a look at the parts I've now got

- SSD 970 Pro 1TB
- Heatsink EK-m.2
- Sintech NGFF2013-C

When the heatsink is installed the SSD blade sits at an angle on top of the adapter and due to this a bit of strain is applied to the SSD connector <-> adapter interface when it's screwed down. Haven't seen this discussed here in the thread. That looks like it can't be good over time - especially when the whole assembly warms up. Anybody encountered this and dealt with it?


Is it possible (and advisable!) to simply cut the adapter on the empty part of the PCB (before the first heatsink clamp) or is the full length needed to isolate the SSD assembly from the computer?
 

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RxJemm

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Sep 22, 2018
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Looking good!

Unfortunately the Mac will not update the Boot ROM from a USB external even with the NvME 960 Pro removed. Off to eBay to find a replacement Apple SSD.. o_O
 

iMactouch

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got her up and running! I put that heat sync on it just for peace of mind. thanks so much for the input from everyone! it takes a village to keep a older Mac running her best!
That are nearly the same speeds I am getting with an SSUBX SSD from Apple.
Is this the maximum speed of the Mac Pro?
 

gammarART

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Oct 24, 2018
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Did anybody successfully installed a Crucial P1 CT1000P1SSD8 1TB ?

Reads and writes with only 2000/1750 MB/s at the maximum but the Mac Pro makes only ~ 1000/1400 MB/s...
 

sdshannon

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Is it just me or does the EBKW logo look like a sad face when installed upright? :)

What boot-rom version does your machine have installed?
Got all the bits here now too including this very heatsink, just need to find the time to mess with my system.
lol it does look like a sad face lol. I'm still on 127.0.0.0.0
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That are nearly the same speeds I am getting with an SSUBX SSD from Apple.
Is this the maximum speed of the Mac Pro?
You have made that statement before but from the looks of it, the Sammy is 300MB faster write and 100MB faster Read, than your stock SSD based on the speed test.

My previous Apple stock ssd was 800/700. this was a big increase for my Mac Pro.

so.. cool for you?
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Ok, I had a look at the parts I've now got

- SSD 970 Pro 1TB
- Heatsink EK-m.2
- Sintech NGFF2013-C

When the heatsink is installed the SSD blade sits at an angle on top of the adapter and due to this a bit of strain is applied to the SSD connector <-> adapter interface when it's screwed down. Haven't seen this discussed here in the thread. That looks like it can't be good over time - especially when the whole assembly warms up. Anybody encountered this and dealt with it?


Is it possible (and advisable!) to simply cut the adapter on the empty part of the PCB (before the first heatsink clamp) or is the full length needed to isolate the SSD assembly from the computer?
mine sat little more flush but when I put the screw in, I didn't tighten it all the way. That way it wouldn't flex as hard.
 
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tsialex

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This week 10.14.2 DP4 still has 127.0.0.0.0:

Code:
Apple ROM Version
  Model:        MP61
  EFI Version:  127.0.0.0.0
  Built by:     root@saumon
  Date:         Mon Sep 17 15:11:58 PDT 2018
  Revision:     127 (B&I)
  ROM Version:  F000_D00
  Build Type:   Official Build, Release
  Compiler:     Apple clang version 3.0 (tags/Apple/clang-211.10.1) (based on LLVM 3.0svn)
 
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tsialex

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What else could we be expecting for the nMP firmware?
MP6,1 Firmware is mature and already had all the things that Apple did on MP5,1 this year.

The only thing that I expect from now on is security updates for the firmware, Intel microcode updates and GPU firmware tweaks.
 

tsialex

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This really is a pity.. I was looking for a solution where I don’t have to rebuild the drive every time an update is necessary. Thank you!
I was testing a way to upgrade MP61 firmwares without the need to use the original SSD. I sent some samples to @CodeJingle but I don't know if he tested it yet.

The way I devised is a clean reconstruction of the MP61 firmware, much like what I do for MP5,1 but more complex since MP6,1 has more things to do into the firmware, like MACAdresses where MP5,1 it's on a separate SPI flash.

If someone here has a MP6,1 MATT card, I can re-start testing it again.
 

CC88

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Dear all

I'm looking around for upgrading my MacPro 6.1 actual SSD. I installed Mojave 10.4.1 and than back to High Sierra due to some GPU problem but that's another story.

Now I bought this on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B01GJVFKP8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

There is a review and someone say it's ok on his nMP 2013 and Samsung EVO 960.

So I bought from Amazon warehouse a 960EVO 1tb for 230 euro.

Below some questions I have not find answer around:
- do my macpro support sleep function again or not? It's a primary function for me. If not have to get all back
- after installing the new drive can i carbon copy cloner the old one over the new one and be up and running in 15 minutes?

Any other suggestions you would like to give?

All the best,
Claudio.
 

cgscotto

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Sep 29, 2018
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Dear all

I'm looking around for upgrading my MacPro 6.1 actual SSD. I installed Mojave 10.4.1 and than back to High Sierra due to some GPU problem but that's another story.

Now I bought this on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B01GJVFKP8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

There is a review and someone say it's ok on his nMP 2013 and Samsung EVO 960.

So I bought from Amazon warehouse a 960EVO 1tb for 230 euro.

Below some questions I have not find answer around:
- do my macpro support sleep function again or not? It's a primary function for me. If not have to get all back
- after installing the new drive can i carbon copy cloner the old one over the new one and be up and running in 15 minutes?

Any other suggestions you would like to give?

All the best,
Claudio.
I have an adapter and a samsung 960 pro in my 6,1, and i have sleep functions with no problems. Yes, you can carbon copy clone the data from your original drive to thr new one.

I used a different adapter than the one you referenced:

http://eshop.sintech.cn/ngff-m2-pcie-ssd-card-as-2013-2014-2015-macbook-ssd-p-1229.html

This is the adapter listed on the first page of the post. You can find it on ebay.
 
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tsialex

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10.14.2 has the same 127.0.0.0.0 BootROM:

Code:
$IBIOSI$ MP61.88Z.0125.B00.1809171517
Copyright (c) 2005-2018 Apple Inc.  All rights reserved.
Apple ROM Version
  Model:        MP61
  EFI Version:  127.0.0.0.0
  Built by:     root@saumon
  Date:         Mon Sep 17 15:11:58 PDT 2018
  Revision:     127 (B&I)
  ROM Version:  F000_D00
  Build Type:   Official Build, Release
  Compiler:     Apple clang version 3.0 (tags/Apple/clang-211.10.1) (based on LLVM 3.0svn)
 

CC88

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Sep 29, 2010
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I have an adapter and a samsung 960 pro in my 6,1, and i have sleep functions with no problems. Yes, you can carbon copy clone the data from your original drive to thr new one.

I used a different adapter than the one you referenced:

http://eshop.sintech.cn/ngff-m2-pcie-ssd-card-as-2013-2014-2015-macbook-ssd-p-1229.html

This is the adapter listed on the first page of the post. You can find it on ebay.
Thank you very much. I bought that adapter because is sold and shipped from amazon prime and it is here in two days. In the case it doesn’t work I will sure search for the sintech you have linked to me.

Thank you very much for your answer really really appreciated. Very nice that in the case it work in sleep mode without problems.
 

RxJemm

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Sep 22, 2018
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10.14.2 has the same 127.0.0.0.0 BootROM:

Code:
$IBIOSI$ MP61.88Z.0125.B00.1809171517
Copyright (c) 2005-2018 Apple Inc.  All rights reserved.
Apple ROM Version
  Model:        MP61
  EFI Version:  127.0.0.0.0
  Built by:     root@saumon
  Date:         Mon Sep 17 15:11:58 PDT 2018
  Revision:     127 (B&I)
  ROM Version:  F000_D00
  Build Type:   Official Build, Release
  Compiler:     Apple clang version 3.0 (tags/Apple/clang-211.10.1) (based on LLVM 3.0svn)

There seems to have been other ROM payload(s) though as 10.14.2 sent my 6,1 with 860 EVO into an update bootloop while 10.4.1 did not.. I had to remove the 860 Evo to get it to stop.
 
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