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I agree, but unlike many, I'm really hoping they DO release a bad phone and disappoint a large number of people. That way iPhone sales will plummet, and their bad decisions will start to hit them where it really hurts.

I agree totally. I desperately want something really bad and detrimental to happen to Apple, to kick them right up the arse. They need to actually start doing something.
 
Who is designing this new phone? It can't be Jony Ive, he's either in the Witness Protection Program or building Christmas trees.
 
Edge to edge glass with no bezel or home button would be awesome.

Edge to edge plastic.
[doublepost=1482139335][/doublepost]"The OLED version of the new iPhone will all be curved as Apple ordered all plastic OLED -- not glass --

Yippy, plastic instead of Gorilla glass that is going to make mu iPhone last /s
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Disclaimer: I own a 2016 mbp with the touch bar and think it's amazing.

But I'm pretty worried about the iPhone anniversary. It seems like Apple is throwing a shot in the dark and seeing what sticks.

How is this different from the TB?
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OLED is awesome.
curved is just gimmick.

Perhaps on the next MBP, Apple could put a curved touch bar..........
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Am I the only one who is worried about the upcoming fragmentation? They say it's a Premium iPhone. I thought we already have premium with premium prices? I have no doubt that this version will cost at least 1000$ which will be a ridiculous price.

Sad to see ongoing fragmentation of their products.

First see, than believe.
 
If true, I personally don't care for the curved display. But OLED would be much welcomed.

I used a curved display, and it was a horrible experience. All the curves do are pick up glare while adding nothing to the experience. Curved displays are the biggest "look what we can do with no other reason foe existing" feature I have ever seen.
 
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Lol, what are you talking about? Samsung had this a while ago in their phones already. It's Apple copying now.
HAHA, what if Apple uses Samsung just for prototyping – let them experience the techniques and than order if fine :D
(just kidding ; )
 
I didn't miss your point. You're just not looking at it from a business perspective. The automotive industry? Holy crap the list is too long to mention. What's rare is to find an automotive company going it alone. I'll give you a few.
Toyota and Subaru - GT86 and BRZ
Toyota and Aston Martin - Scion IQ and Cygnet
Mazda and Fiat - Miata and 124 Spider
Honda and Isuzu - Passport and Rodeo
Chrysler and Mitusbishi - Eagle Talon, Plymouth Laser and Mitsubishi Eclipse
Chrysler and Mitusbishi - Dodge Stealth and Mitsubishi 3000GT (GTO)
Ford and Mazda - Ford Escape and Mazda Tribute
Nissan and Suzuki - Nissan Frontier and Suzuki Equator
BMW and Toyota - Collaborating on a new car that will be the BMW Z4 and Toyota Supra

I'm going to stop there since I think you get the point. Don't even get me started on the industry's dirtiest little secret (not really a secret) badge engineering.

Not only do they share parts and platforms, sometimes they even build the competing cars in the same plant.:eek:
Thx for the examples. Don't have the time or energy to look into them, but you'd be hard pressed to find the level of open acrimony between those companies that there is between Apple and Samsung. But yes, I absolutely understand the business model. I get all that, OK? It's just curious when you assist the competition in this way. Nash won the economics Nobel in part on this idea and even he found it counterintuitive.

I'm into astronomy and completely understand the concept and role of infinity. But I'm still struck by the weirdness that a ray and a line have the same infinite length even though one has an endpoint and one doesn't. It's possible to understand something and still be bemused by it.
 
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Samsung doesn't need insider information to copy Apple's upcoming phone designs since Apple hands it to them.
it was very considerate of Apple to hand Samsung 4 years advance notice of their new curved screen so that Sansung could copy it
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? It appears to exists only because it was rumoured that Apple was working on curved glass and Samsung wanted to be first?[/QUOTE said:
was that around the time Apple were also rumoured to be working on a large screen,
so Samsung just had to get in first years ahead?
 
Thx for the examples. Don't have the time or energy to look into them, but you'd be hard pressed to find the level of open acrimony between those companies that there is between Apple and Samsung. But yes, I absolutely understand the business model. I get all that, OK? It's just curious when you assist the competition in this way. Nash won the economics Nobel in part on this idea and even he found it counterintuitive.

I'm into astronomy and completely understand the concept and role of infinity. But I'm still struck by the weirdness that a ray and a line have the same infinite length even though one has an endpoint and one doesn't. It's possible to understand something and still be bemused by it.
I can respect that. There are things that tickle my brain as well. Business relationships isn't one of those things. "Mystery aquaints a man with strange bedfellows" - Billy Shakespeare, the Tempest.:)
 
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That's true but I think an upgrade to resolution on the iPhone models will make a difference. For example 1080p and QHD for the 4.7" and 5.5" respectively. I don't think they would need to go higher than that.
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Yes but have you tried the iOS software button? Just like any other, it's not convenient. You can't feel it, it isn't separate from the display, it covers content. And if they so,be that by having it in a dedicating portion of the display then there isn't much point.
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You don't know how they're going to implement it. Right now there is no indication whether it will be part of the hardware or integrated into the software. All be know is that the home button circle is gone.

The force touch home button is software. It works great
 
Thx for the examples. Don't have the time or energy to look into them, but you'd be hard pressed to find the level of open acrimony between those companies that there is between Apple and Samsung. But yes, I absolutely understand the business model. I get all that, OK? It's just curious when you assist the competition in this way. Nash won the economics Nobel in part on this idea and even he found it counterintuitive.

I'm into astronomy and completely understand the concept and role of infinity. But I'm still struck by the weirdness that a ray and a line have the same infinite length even though one has an endpoint and one doesn't. It's possible to understand something and still be bemused by it.

Another way to look at it is this, If Apply could get supplies of screens from a company that was not competing with them in the same markets, I think they would. The know how, infrastructure, and quantity of scale needed to produce screens and many other components is absolutely huge. This is not a business model that Apple wants to get into. They have to go with companies that are already setup for this kind of manufacturing.
 
Am I the only one who is worried about the upcoming fragmentation? They say it's a Premium iPhone. I thought we already have premium with premium prices? I have no doubt that this version will cost at least 1000$ which will be a ridiculous price.

Sad to see ongoing fragmentation of their products.
No matter how good phones are once you break $1000 I think there will be pushback, i think cheaper phones will come to the forefront, think about iy, you can pretty much buy a decent 55" 4K TV for what it costs for your phone.
 
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No matter how good phones are once you break $1000 I think there will be pushback, i think cheaper phones will come to the forefront, think about iy, you can pretty much buy a decent 55" 4K TV for what it costs for your phone.

I think we're seeing some of that now, I think if the flagships hit 1K it's going to take the market with it.
 
Great, the "Pro" disease infects the iPhone. Historically new technology is offered at about the same price as old because that's how technology costs work. Yet Apple discovered they can offer new tech at a new price if they call it a "pro" version and keep the old model on the market.

I'm this close to switching to Google Pixel. If this "Pro" iPhone doesn't feature an image sensor at least as large as the Google Pixel's then I'm out. And we know it won't, don't we? Because Thinner.
 
Getting technical: Samsung also use Pentile Matrix Display OLED where the subpixels share the RGB colours, whereas RGB OLED use individual RGB subpixels - no sharing - which gives brighter colours and better contrast especially off-angle.

Pentile exists for two valid reasons: 1) its color emphasis is matched to the human eye, and 2) it allows for greater longevity of OLED panels.

However, the drawbacks of OLED ironically are battery power. See LCD has a back-light which uses most of the power for the display, however for most uses its power usage does not drastically shift from black backgrounds to white backgrounds.

I swear, when I retire I'm going to start a website dedicated to debunking common internet technical misinformation :)

For example, too many articles still state that LCDs use less power for white than black. BZZZT! That was true back in the day of TN displays whose crystal rest position let the backlight through, but phones these days (like the iPhone) use IPS displays, which are the opposite, and the default state is to block the backlight (black).

Thus the IPS display as used in the iPhone, acts the same as OLED panels, and uses MORE power to display brighter colors than it does to display dark colors.

A primary difference is that in most cases, the LCD's backlight stays full on even on a black (I mean greyish) page, while the OLED is totally off on a black page.

Fortunately for both, in real life most pages are not all black or white.

Didn't work out for jobs' stance on larger displays, he was the only one saying it. Market was there he wasn't ready. (Thank you Tim)

Actually Jobs was NOT the only one saying it. Tim Cook, when questioned whether Apple would do a larger screen said:

  • "We've put a lot of thinking into screen size and we think we've picked the right one."
    - Cook on 4" iPhone, dissing larger displays of competitors, Quarterly call, Jan 2013

Almost two years later, and after Samsung's sales skyrocketed during 2013, Cook's Apple did come out with the iPhone 6 and 6+.

Thx for the examples. Don't have the time or energy to look into them, but you'd be hard pressed to find the level of open acrimony between those companies that there is between Apple and Samsung.

Between fanboys yes. But business needs are business needs. Cook even shut down most of the lawsuits between them.

Fortunately for Apple, Samsung doesn't seem to hold a grudge.

If the situation was reversed, though, I wonder if Apple would sell parts to its competitors... or hold them hostage.
 
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Why wouldn't you like a OLED display? I see nothing but benefits by going to OLED.
Maybe because I haven't seen an OLED Display I really like. Yes, they are very vibrant and the Blacks are better than any other kind of display. But OLED tends to turn Blue/Green when you tilt the Phone. I also like to go to the lokal tech store and compare the latest flagship OLED smartphones to my iPhone 6 by opening the Calendar App (or any other App that displays a white background) and I honestly liked the IPS screen way more as it's pure white. I also like the AW OLED screen, but it also can't stand the iPhone's display. OLED is a great technology, but I don't see any necessity of switching from IPS to OLED.
 
Except the phone will be designed 100% by Apple in Cupertino with Samsung being the fab plant.

Samsung designs and makes the screens.Apple asking them to calibrate it the way they choose is not designed by Apple.

Samsung spending 10 billion on 10nm is not designed by Apple.simply handing Samsung a soc design but not giving credit to Samsung for building it is not designed by Apple.
 
Maybe because I haven't seen an OLED Display I really like. Yes, they are very vibrant and the Blacks are better than any other kind of display. But OLED tends to turn Blue/Green when you tilt the Phone. I also like to go to the lokal tech store and compare the latest flagship OLED smartphones to my iPhone 6 by opening the Calendar App (or any other App that displays a white background) and I honestly liked the IPS screen way more as it's pure white. I also like the AW OLED screen, but it also can't stand the iPhone's display. OLED is a great technology, but I don't see any necessity of switching from IPS to OLED.

I never had a Blue/Green issue when I tilt an OLED phone display. But I agree with you about the whites, although it's not a drastic difference to me and not an issue for me.

One benefit of OLED would be a longer lasting battery for on screen time, since no backlight. And the possibility of some type of Always On Display feature.
 
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Pentile exists for two valid reasons: 1) its color emphasis is matched to the human eye, and 2) it allows for greater longevity of OLED panels.



I swear, when I retire I'm going to start a website dedicated to debunking common internet technical misinformation :)

For example, too many articles still state that LCDs use less power for white than black. BZZZT! That was true back in the day of TN displays whose crystal rest position let the backlight through, but phones these days (like the iPhone) use IPS displays, which are the opposite, and the default state is to block the backlight (black).

Thus the IPS display as used in the iPhone, acts the same as OLED panels, and uses MORE power to display brighter colors than it does to display dark colors.

A primary difference is that in most cases, the LCD's backlight stays full on even on a black (I mean greyish) page, while the OLED is totally off on a black page.

Fortunately for both, in real life most pages are not all black or white.



Actually Jobs was NOT the only one saying it. Tim Cook, when questioned whether Apple would do a larger screen said:

  • "We've put a lot of thinking into screen size and we think we've picked the right one."
    - Cook on 4" iPhone, dissing larger displays of competitors, Quarterly call, Jan 2013

Almost two years later, and after Samsung's sales skyrocketed during 2013, Cook's Apple did come out with the iPhone 6 and 6+.



Between fanboys yes. But business needs are business needs. Cook even shut down most of the lawsuits between them.

Fortunately for Apple, Samsung doesn't seem to hold a grudge.

If the situation was reversed, though, I wonder if Apple would sell parts to its competitors... or hold them hostage.
That was a smokescreen obviously considering the 6 was released in a year and a half and they knew they were working on it.

Fortunately for Samsung Apple doesn't hold a grudge either. if I were Apple I would have a backup plan in my own pocket.
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Samsung designs and makes the screens.Apple asking them to calibrate it the way they choose is not designed by Apple.

Samsung spending 10 billion on 10nm is not designed by Apple.simply handing Samsung a soc design but not giving credit to Samsung for building it is not designed by Apple.
Lg and Japan display among others make the current screens. tsmc makes the cpus and on the 6s there is a question about who may have built the better chip Tsmc or Samsung.

What's your point?
 
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