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To anybody thinking that Touch ID is returning, you’ve missed the obvious clues in iOS devaluing the usefulness of Touch ID even in existing devices.

iOS is developing its security into passive identification where the user doesn’t have to do anything. The device just checks for itself if the authorized user is the one using it. Touch ID is an active authentication, where you're asked to confirm who you are.

Previously with Touch ID, iOS would guide actions so that it would check your fingerprint when you’re already touching it. Unlocking the phone by pressing the home button, check fingerprint. It would never ask you to verify your identity repeatedly in regular use.

When logging into a website, previously, it was assumed you already unlocked your device and asking to place your finger on Touch ID was seen as too much friction and annoying so it just pre-filled your login credentials. Now, you have to purposefully authenticate while with FaceID this action continues to be frictionless. It just looks at you and knowing you’re the authorized user, prefills the login. It happens instantly.

iOS is full of examples like this where going back to Touch ID would be reversing all the little changes they’ve made to the UI. Apple always gives clues to where they’re headed by the small changes they introduce in software first to adapt behaviour before the hardware is released. Touch ID isn’t coming back. The already excellent Face ID is only going to get better.

In my opinion, you just literally listed all the reasons why TouchID is better than FaceID. You have to consciously authenticate. You have to intentionally place your registered finger on the sensor when required. There is no chance of you accidentally authenticating as is the case with FaceID, and there is the benefit of not having to look at your phone to authenticate, such as if you are wearing your phone on your arm at the gym, or if it is lying on the desk.

I'd take TouchID back in a heartbeat.
 
I really hope TouchID comes back. I put a little piece of tape over the front camera (and on my laptop) so faceID is not for me and never will be. I’ll keep my 6s for as long as I can then upgrade to the 7 or 8 if it TouchID doesn’t come back ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Apple adopt a industry standard AFTER everyone else? Swine will take flight before that day comes.
They only way Apple replaces Lightning if a new USB standard comes out and they adopt it first. They have a thing for being first.:rolleyes:

Phablets, waterproofing and wireless charging?
 
"To date, we've heard the next versions could feature a triple-lens rear camera, Face ID improvements, slightly thinner displays, and more."

The current iPhone has the optimal camera for its size. This concludes the chapter.
I don't think you can get much more out of it.

Unfortunately DJI (instead of Apple) has now taken the next logical step: The "DJI Osmo Pocket" is a horny thing. It was immediately sold out worldwide for the Christmas business. Quite rightly so. Together with an old iPhone (e.g. SE) you have a fantastic film/photo equipment. DJI is now just as professional as Apple, it's a tragedy that Apple didn't buy this Chinese company in time when it might still have been possible.

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Hopefully, Apple's mindless marketing will not be competing for more lenses, but will be guided back on track by Apple's former technology leaders. The development of meaningful things such as FaceID monitors (Mac mini) and other simple but effective technical implementations made Apple famous. Not the race to compete in display size, gimmicks, wristband color and edge roundness.

As threatening as the market saturation in the iPhone sector is, there is hope that Apple will come to its senses again and no longer let itself be distracted by marketing games or crazy 'analysts', but will again develop new hardware and intuitive software, they were the best.
DXO One was there with the same basic concept before DJI. It was popular for a few minutes and is now discontinued.
 
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"To date, we've heard the next versions could feature a triple-lens rear camera, Face ID improvements, slightly thinner displays, and more."

The current iPhone has the optimal camera for its size. This concludes the chapter.
I don't think you can get much more out of it.

Unfortunately DJI (instead of Apple) has now taken the next logical step: The "DJI Osmo Pocket" is a horny thing. It was immediately sold out worldwide for the Christmas business. Quite rightly so. Together with an old iPhone (e.g. SE) you have a fantastic film/photo equipment. DJI is now just as professional as Apple, it's a tragedy that Apple didn't buy this Chinese company in time when it might still have been possible.

DJI has long been as professional. They're one of, if not the, big players in drones and drone photography/film - they're all over the place for news coverage and filming. The Osmo capitalizes on how good their gimbals are, and a gimbal is something no phone will ever have. They made a very smart move to capitalize on smartphones to provide something they cannot. The Osmo isn't just something that could eat into Apple, but all phone manufacturers... but there... the phone isn't required, it's used as a bigger viewfinder than what's already on it and that's it.
 
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Jeez, why does no one get what this guy is saying?

It’s not that there will be TouchID and, separately, FaceID!

No! It’s just that to unlock this future phone, you must touch your face!

Why’s that so hard to understand?

NoseID?
 
Apple adopt a industry standard AFTER everyone else? Swine will take flight before that day comes.
They only way Apple replaces Lightning if a new USB standard comes out and they adopt it first. They have a thing for being first.:rolleyes:

You mean first like they were with USB-C? You know... on the Macbook?
 
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No way Apple is going to add more hardware complexity (that could also increase the price of the phone) for a handful of niche cases where Face ID isn’t optimal. This is some analyst throwing a bunch of stuff at the wall and then seeing what sticks.
Yep, pretty much what I am saying aswell in the comment you're responding to. Especially with Ming-Chi Kuo's prediction of Touch ID not coming back. I just contested the statement that there would be no upside or use-case at all where having both is useful.
 
In my opinion, you just literally listed all the reasons why TouchID is better than FaceID. You have to consciously authenticate. You have to intentionally place your registered finger on the sensor when required. There is no chance of you accidentally authenticating as is the case with FaceID, and there is the benefit of not having to look at your phone to authenticate, such as if you are wearing your phone on your arm at the gym, or if it is lying on the desk.
You might not have used a device with FaceID yet. There is a differentiation between actions requiring more security and less security. The former still require intentional action, often pressing the side button (I think it is pressing it twice for ApplePay) while others like autofilling credentials on a webpage fall into the second category that don't require intentional action (beyond looking at the screen) while on devices with TouchID, you have to place your finger on the sensor for both kind of actions.
 
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So an USB-C that serves no other purpose other than for charging your device, it's cool I mean I like that every iOS should be on USB-C along with other Apple products like headphones too. But until Apple opens this USB-C means nothing much to offer other than charging only. iPad Pro would have been a real game changer if they had more peripherals supported on that port.
 
USB-C would be a very welcome addition so the whole world can standardise on one port until wireless truly takes off. However lets let TouchID die, I don't want to go back to taking my gloves off when he have something easier to use and more secure. The notch, work out how to get that under the screen and we'll have something truly groundbreaking.
 
DXO One was there with the same basic concept before DJI. It was popular for a few minutes and is now discontinued.
And the company producing it filed for bankruptcy (though the DxO One might have been only a small factor in this).
 
FaceID is the most advanced and secure technology in any smartphone. No competitor has come close to replicating its security features. Apple is not gong to go back to the past when what it is doing today is so much better.

so secure... unless you have a twin at home...
 
You might not have used a device with FaceID yet. There is a differentiation between actions requiring more security and less security. The former still require intentional action, often pressing the side button (I think it is pressing it twice for ApplePay) while others like autofilling credentials on a webpage fall into the second category that don't require intentional action (beyond looking at the screen) while on devices with TouchID, you have to place your finger on the sensor for both kind of actions.

I've had an XS Max since launch.....
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so secure... unless you have a twin at home...

Or someone points your phone at your face.....
 
If it has all of these things, I will buy it in an instant. If it has none of these things, I will not buy it at all.
 
it will still lack the extensibility (memory card), the battery life, the lightning-fast charging capability, and the camera quality of Android flagship smartphones while being more expensive.

Love the burn.
 
In my opinion, you just literally listed all the reasons why TouchID is better than FaceID. You have to consciously authenticate. You have to intentionally place your registered finger on the sensor when required. There is no chance of you accidentally authenticating as is the case with FaceID, and there is the benefit of not having to look at your phone to authenticate, such as if you are wearing your phone on your arm at the gym, or if it is lying on the desk.

I'd take TouchID back in a heartbeat.
Good point, but this argument can also be made in favor of Face ID over Touch ID. If you're making a purchase in the App or iTunes Store then all it takes with Touch ID is to place your finger on the home button, something that you might be doing for various other reasons aswell (i.e. when you're about to close an app, open the app switcher or open reachability, and at that moment the confirmation window pops up). There have even been a number of apps over the last couple months that purposefully exploited this by asking you to place your finger on the home button for various reasons and then spamming you with an excessive in-app-purchase out of nowhere.

With Face ID, you need to deliberately double-tap the side button to confirm a purchase, and it's highly unlikely that you'd be tricked into doing that by an app at just the very moment where the confirmation prompt pops up. So in this area, Touch ID is much more exploitable because the act can be performed passively/unintentionally, while Face ID requires an active act of confirmation that you rarely ever do any other time.
 
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