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Palm Pre Roundup: Public Launch Tomorrow, iTunes 8.2 Syncing

TuffLuffJimmy said:
:D:D:D:D

Do you have a shred of evidence to back this up? It is not illegal for Apple to release an update that breaks the Pre's ability to sync on Apple' OWN software. They don't even legally have to support iTunes, they could scrap it all tomorrow.
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LOL I'm sure the anti-competitive judges would throw the hammer down on Apple if they try such a thing.
 
Shookster said:
I think Apple would receive a negative backlash if they blocked the Pre, even though it is very cheeky of Palm to do this.

If Apple does want to kill off the Pre, they should make the iPhone better. That's the best way for all of us.
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Very cheeky indeed. Apple's best shot at avoiding a PR nightmare is to lock out syncing at the outset, if it can. Otherwise, Pre users will probably swear off Apple as a vendor to buy from in the future if things are turned off AFTER the fact (and purchases of Apps by Pre users).

And I don't think Pre should be given access to iTunes --it's competitive advantage to selling the iPhone. Sheesh.
 
I got up at 7:30 stopped by local coffee shop for a Mocha and then arrived at Sprint at 7:56 and had 15 people infront of me. They were letting people in as others left but made everyone else wait outside. I called one in local mall and they said they had no lines got there at 8:11 and had my Pre by 8:25ish. There was noone new into the store after me. Think it is pretty much hit or miss with the State and City as to waits.
 
TuffLuffJimmy said:
:D:D:D:D

Do you have a shred of evidence to back this up? It is not illegal for Apple to release an update that breaks the Pre's ability to sync on Apple' OWN software. They don't even legally have to support iTunes, they could scrap it all tomorrow.
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Enjoy.

iTunes may be their own product, but when they make it not play nice with other products, that borders on anti-competitive practice. Just look at how nicely EU made Microsoft untie IE from Windows, don't you think they can force Apple to open up iTunes to other non-Apple sanctioned devices?
 
GeekLawyer said:
That's a fair point. Maybe Palm has paid Apple to license the technology? But then... why would it report itself as an iPod to iTunes instead of calling itself a Pre??
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This would be win-win for everyone. Apple doesn't look like a bad guy and still makes a buck from the act of licensing iTunes and/or some sync API, Palm doesn't have to re-invent a media system that most users won't want (iTunes be a de-facto standard), and the user gets what they want- the ability to keep using iTunes.
 
dragossh said:
Enjoy.

iTunes may be their own product, but when they make it not play nice with other products, that borders on anti-competitive practice. Just look at how nicely EU made Microsoft untie IE from Windows, don't you think they can force Apple to open up iTunes to other non-Apple sanctioned devices?
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So if Apple closed down itunes for good, they could also force them to open up shop?
 
Goona said:
Has the Pre killed the iphone yet?
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Funny.

Two years ago, apple said that they were two years ahead of the competition. True to this prediction, pre comes out to match what was done then.

Later this year, apple will be ahead of the competition by two years or more because those folks at semi and other things. Fun times ahead!

Moral of the story: if you want to see what the pre looks like in two years, then wait for apple's announcement later this year..
 
i.mac said:
Later this year, apple will be ahead of the competition by two years or more because those folks at semi and other things. Fun times ahead!
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You mean a better camera, better processor and memory, copy&paste, MMS, video recording, tethering and a more useful Bluetooth stack? Two years ahead of everyone, indeed :D
 
dragossh said:
Enjoy.

iTunes may be their own product, but when they make it not play nice with other products, that borders on anti-competitive practice. Just look at how nicely EU made Microsoft untie IE from Windows, don't you think they can force Apple to open up iTunes to other non-Apple sanctioned devices?
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That doesn't mean anything. iTunes is a front end to a media player, they don't have to support another company's hardware, especially when they don't claim to. End of story.
 
dragossh said:
You mean a better camera, better processor and memory, copy&paste, MMS, video recording, tethering and a more useful Bluetooth stack? Two years ahead of everyone, indeed :D
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Actually he's right, it's not about listen all the so called features that makes a phone. Go listen to what the Nokia CEO recently said about the iphone. When the original iphone launched, the companies were shocked and tried to offer a compelling solution to it. When the iphone 3g with the app store, we now see a plethora of app stores from other companies, I wonder why we didn't see all those app stores before Apple launched theirs, lol.
 
i.mac said:
Funny.

Two years ago, apple said that they were two years ahead of the competition. True to this prediction, pre comes out to match what was done then.

Later this year, apple will be ahead of the competition by two years or more because those folks at semi and other things. Fun times ahead!

Moral of the story: if you want to see what the pre looks like in two years, then wait for apple's announcement later this year..
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wow, you would figure that if Apple was " ahead of the competition by two years or more", where is Full Flash? Multitaskin? Wheres HD? Where's a 5MP + camera with 30fps video recording?
 
Ghettopops said:
where is Full Flash?
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What phone supports full flash and what company has said anything about having full Flash in the next two years?

Multitaskin?
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Do you mean multitasking? Apple is delivering its method of it at the keynote.

Wheres HD?
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HD is a buzz word, it doesn't actually mean anything

Where's a 5MP + camera with 30fps video recording?
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Nothing with a sensor that small should be 5MP.
 
irun5k said:
This would be win-win for everyone. Apple doesn't look like a bad guy and still makes a buck from the act of licensing iTunes and/or some sync API, Palm doesn't have to re-invent a media system that most users won't want (iTunes be a de-facto standard), and the user gets what they want- the ability to keep using iTunes.
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Bull. Why doesn't Palm go and develop their own "itunes", they just want to ride off Apple's success with itunes. Instead of developing their own software to sync with itunes like RIM did, they want to be lazy and not put in the hard work. Also why didn't they make the Pre also sync with the Zune software? They want to make Apple look like the big bad guys because they are lazy. If Apple blocks access for Pre owners, all of a sudden people will be calling for the government to step in because "big bad" Apple is actually having the audacity to say which hardware can be used with their software.
 
Ghettopops said:
wow, you would figure that if Apple was " ahead of the competition by two years or more", where is Full Flash? Multitaskin? Wheres HD? Where's a 5MP + camera with 30fps video recording?
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Can you please tell me which phone supports "Full Flash"?
 
TuffLuffJimmy said:
What phone supports full flash and what company has said anything about having full Flash in the next two years?


Do you mean multitasking? Apple is delivering its method of it at the keynote.


HD is a buzz word, it doesn't actually mean anything


Nothing with a sensor that small should be 5MP.
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Flash http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13970_7-10164745-78.html

Multitasking? What another 3rd party app?

HD http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i8910_omnia_hd-2691.php

Nothing with a sensor that small should be 5mp? with available technology no mid to high end phone should have anything less.

Dont get me wrong, I own and iphone and love it but I also own a 5800, Treo 750, Pre and a n95. They all have their qualities and they all have their faults. The iPhone is far from being 2 years ahead of most major companies.
 
Ghettopops said:
Flash http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13970_7-10164745-78.html

Multitasking? What another 3rd party app?

HD http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i8910_omnia_hd-2691.php

Nothing with a sensor that small should be 5mp? with available technology no mid to high end phone should have anything less.

Dont get me wrong, I own and iphone and love it but I also own a 5800, Treo 750, Pre and a n95. They all have their qualities and they all have their faults. The iPhone is far from being 2 years ahead of most major companies.
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Just like I thought, no phone has full flash.
 
Goona said:
Just like I thought, no phone has full flash.
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Umm well if Adobe says releasing it next year but not to iphone Hmmmmmmm then maybe not 2 years ahead. That is my point is that if it is coming out in a year and APPLE IPHONE is 2 years ahead it should already have it according to the believers of iPhone technology being 2 years advanced. Correct?
 
billystlyes said:
Most everything Apple does is anti-competitive and restrictive.
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I agree, they just want the user to have more options. Another said you need an itunes account for artwork, not really, most use 3rd party stuff for MP3s and the whole synch to one computer is crazy. There used to be a time you could synch w/o it being one computer but Apple decided to cater to record labels. Like others, I thik iTunes is restrictive and what was the stat, 90% use MP3 from limewire, not iTunes. Which is why I don't understand FLASH isn't on the phone so we can get more content and apps.
 
I hope apple breaks the sync for the pre. I hold stock in apple and I don't want them to be helping another company make money that could potentially go to apple, I want to see them make money for me thats why I purchased 650 shares and why I continue to invest with them. Sure allowing other companies to use their stuff is "nice" but when I put money into apple my hope is not that they will use my money to be nice to palm but that they will take my money and turn it into more money.

Apple has spent millions of dollars to make itunes the most used music/video player in the world and I see no reason for them to allow palm to use their innovations for their own gain. If apple wants to sell palm the right to use itunes then that is perfectly fine with me but I don't want to see apple just letting another company use what my money has gone into. Call me greedy you may be right but I don't invest in apple with goals to help palm get potential apple money.
 
Problem is, this time there are many new switchers which are also hackers. 3rd party apps out the ying yang, once its out of the box, that's all there is to it, these hackers will make it work regardless of what apple does, look at the hack, these days you don't need to edit .plist or .kext files as there is a new script that hacks the EFI and the end user can use the updates without problems.

Once the cat is out of the box, well, that's it.... hard to put back in. ..

winks360 said:
First off Apple does have the right to stop it if they want to :( they made iTunes and they make the updates :p

Secondly I can almost guarantee that they will block it :cool: or a slight chance of letting them pay rights to use iTunes (pay through the nose) :D , because if they don't stop them, that means that other companies are going to do the same thing and make cheaper products which would directly impact the sales of the iPod and iPhone. :eek:

Face it Apple is a company, :) and they are doing business to make a profit. :apple: Just because you, as a customer, want the ease of use of their products and don't want to pay their prices, doesn't mean that Apple has to let another company make a profit off of their hard work. :rolleyes:
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