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as a pre owner I can put all my media on my pre by treating it as a usb stick and dragging and dropping the files into the proper folders without itunes synching... palm needs to stop being the annoying kid on the playground and cut this out.
 
Why is everyone being such whiners? Seriously some of you people act like this directly affects you in some way, it doesn't, unless you have a Pre, in which case I'm sure it's nice to have syncing with iTunes, so seriously unless you guys are losing out on something because of what Palm is doing, quit whining, it's not hurting you at all. :rolleyes:

Because they are potentially causing restrictions in iTunes again. It's not long since we had DRM removed from the music. Lets not give vendors excuses to put it back in again, because MS will pounce, as will the RIAA
 
as a pre owner I can put all my media on my pre by treating it as a usb stick and dragging and dropping the files into the proper folders without itunes synching... palm needs to stop being the annoying kid on the playground and cut this out.

problem with you going that route is you lose all your play list so it really is not that good.
 
as a pre owner I can put all my media on my pre by treating it as a usb stick and dragging and dropping the files into the proper folders without itunes synching... palm needs to stop being the annoying kid on the playground and cut this out.

The voice of sense. It wouldn't take Palm much to write a program that would read the XML file that iTunes creates. Then they can sync using the iTunes library legitimately.

This cat and mouse game sees Palm acting like a 4 year old.
 
Apple needs to update the firmware on their devices to include an encryption key that will be validated before an update will occur. Then Palm will face the wrath of the DMCA if they hack the key.
 
Apple needs to update the firmware on their devices to include an encryption key that will be validated before an update will occur. Then Palm will face the wrath of the DMCA if they hack the key.

The DMCA doesn't work that way. The DMCA strikes when you circumvent a mechanism that prevents unauthorised access to copyrighted materials. My iTunes library contains music from my own CDs, DRM'd music from the iTunes store and music without DRM from the iTunes store. Any access to that music that I perform is authorised. If I plug a Palm Pre into my Macintosh and somehow copy music from my library to the Palm Pre (except DRM'd music from the iTunes Store which is only licensed to be copied to iPods, read the license), then that access is authorised.

That's why Lexmark lost its DMCA case against manufacturers of ink cartridges, because their encryption prevented people from printing their own documents which they had every right to copy, it didn't prevent access to anything that people didn't have the right to access.

Of course Palm _might_ lose its USB license, and then they are in deep ****.
 
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Wow, does anyone even use this "feature" that doesn't work half the time.
 
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Wow, does anyone even use this "feature" that doesn't work half the time.
 
I had various Palm and Visor (offshoot) devices for well over a decade. Great gadgets. Very useful. But if they can't get things right then there is no way I would buy this new one. Hacking at iTunes just tells me, "Go buy an iPod/iPhone because we [Palm] don't think our product is really good enough so we're going to fake customer features and support." Palm's behavior, their lost charges against Apple and their rap on the knuckles from the USB consortium all tell me don't buy from Palm, get the real thing from Apple.
 
Persisten buggers aren't they? What a silly fight to pick when it's so easy to create your own solution that plugs right into the iTunes library.

They should take a page out of RIM's book.
 
What Palm is really doing isn't just spoofing the USB Mfg ID, but spoofing Apple on the whole. If Palm wants to compete, they should step up and try and release a well rounded product like Apple, and that includes the Desktop pieces. They have had many chances to do so, and blown almost all them. Instead they appear as pathetic with their feeble attempts to glom on to Apple. Palm leadership over the years is to blame.

Back in the day, Palm invented HotSync, and then promptly forgot about it. Anyone who ever tried to upgrade to a new Palm and suffered through all of the HotSync hassles that Apple now makes effortless, will be glad to simply see Palm go.

Apple pays attention to detail, and creates holistic environs that add huge amounts of value. They are not perfect in their openness or in every implementation (Calendar on the iPhone sucks, even compared to old versions of Datebook on the PalmOS, about twenty taps to create a new item, whereas Palm had that right by starting out right on the Calendar) but in general, Apple does a far, far better job with the whole enchilada. And if it doesn't sync well as a handheld, then it is useless.

People should simply spend their money on what is done well and allow the market to quickly flesh out losers. As a long time owner of dozens of handheld gadgets, and many Palms, Treos, etc. that's no contest, for now it's the iPhone. Palm is a loser.
 
Persisten buggers aren't they? What a silly fight to pick when it's so easy to create your own solution that plugs right into the iTunes library.

They should take a page out of RIM's book.

I think their goal is to play off the notoriety of doing something that nobody else does in the hopes that "there is no such thing as bad press”. Of course that ignores the fact that they are simply going to bit off more than they can chew. The end of the road will come, most likely by the USB-IF revoking Palms licenses - something that will be really bad for them.
 
No point

I don't see the point in this. Consider a Palm Pre user that wants to sync to iTunes: They will be able to synch every second week only since new iTunes version come out really often and Palm only re-enables syncing after a few weeks that the version has been out. So no one is really going to use iTunes to synch with the Palm Pre.

But then I don't understand: what is the Palm Pre supposed to sync with? Isn't there an application for that? It would be quite stupid for Palm to rely on a 3rd party software (iTunes in this case) to work with their hardware. It's totally unofficial. Plus it seems illegal too.
 
Can't Apple implement a feature that would check the device serial number with Apple's database of iPod/iPhone serial numbers to allow it to sync? If that worked, Palm would have no way to beat it, unless they hacked Apple's database and started spoofing serial numbers.
 
Can't Apple implement a feature that would check the device serial number with Apple's database of iPod/iPhone serial numbers to allow it to sync? If that worked, Palm would have no way to beat it, unless they hacked Apple's database and started spoofing serial numbers.

That wouldn't work. Every time Apple makes a new batch of iPods, they'll need to put out an iTunes update with the new serial numbers in it. The other option would be to check the serial number at synch time, but that would require an active Internet connection.
 
Once a thief, always a thief....

Thieves don't stop stealing until you force them to stop...
 
Umm they already have done that. They are just giving their uses another option instead of having to install and run more software on there computer.

No they haven't already done that. They haven't written any software solution. What they have done is stoop to having their product lie to the system in order to work with software in a way it isn't allowed.

If these users want the choice of using Apple's software, THEN BUY AN APPLE DEVICE for which the software is made. Otherwise, they should goad Palm to write their own syncing solution like other vendors.

It is pathetic.
 
My two cents:
I see no reason why the Palm Pre shouldn't be able to sync with iTunes. If anyone can give me a reason why Apple should intentionally block the Palm Pre from syncing again, I'd love to know, because I can't think of one.
 
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