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If they don't block them Apple would likely have to answer itunes support calls from Pre users who have trouble syncing their phones. Blocking the Pre is most likely a legal move to protect them from lawsuits. Just like an office building or a mall not allowing skate boarders. They don't want the legal hassle.

Exactly. Apple wants iTunes to support their products and they do not want to end up having to implicitly have to support Palm or any other companies who’s goals are not in line with theirs.

Why should Apple play nice with Palm? They are competitors who have shown no willingness to play nice with Apple. None. Apple provides all the necessary tools. Other companies have implemented their own solutions. Other people have said on this forum have said that reading the XML file is a trivial process. Apple is providing everything - XML files, Sync Services.... Palm is being obtuse.

This whole issue is silly. Palm broke in uninvited, Apple said no and kicked them out. Palm should have taken a clue.
 
Apple needs to update the firmware on their devices to include an encryption key that will be validated before an update will occur. Then Palm will face the wrath of the DMCA if they hack the key.

maybe not that far. They could use the old Fair play DRthat is in every iPod to some how check but they would have to be careful. forcing a firmware update on iPods is risky big time for the older iPods because a lot of people do not or have not updated there iPods. Like hell would I update my old 4G (B&W screen click wheel) ipod just for that. I would be really pissed if Apple locked out my iPod out of iTunes.
 
You can only taunt for so long. One day all this (expletive for poop) will explode. I have my umbrella ready.
 
Just some random thoughts:

Apple gives itunes out for free.
There a thousands of people who do not own an ipod and still use itunes to organize their own music or to buy music through the iTunes store.
Apple is not loosing money with these people (but on the other hand, maybe even making some money when they use the iTunes store)
The Palm Pre syncing with iTunes doesn't hurt Apple financially in the first place (i.e. they give out iTunes for free anyway)
Apple must not take care the Pre syncs with iTunes, they should only take care about the iPod
On the other hand Apple should not update iTunes only to block the Pre.
Palm could make their own syncing software.
Probably Palms syncing Software would suck as the one from Nokia, Sony Ericcson, etc (i had those)
As a customer I prefer having one good syncing software for all my gadgets.
Up to now the licensing terms of iTunes do not explicitly state that it only syncs with Apple products, nor does it forbid non-apple devices.
 
Still, what is Apple's reason for intentionally blocking the Palm Pre? Is their any reason other than copyrights? It's like saying "You're not allowed to drive a Honda on this road, only Toyotas, because we said so." Your fridge analogy is not a good one. By not blocking the Palm Pre nothing is being taken from Apple, whereas allowing you access to my fridge, something is.

How about if your house was in between streets and there are fences in between the houses, so it's either go through your house or go around the entire block. You're not losing anything by them simply going through your house quietly and swiftly besides privacy. What Palm is doing is dressing up as family and going through. While nothing has happened, I'm sure Apple is worried about security and privacy.

Course this was just a point as for me personally, I hope some way the Pre can sync with iTunes, because I might get a Pre (not as a replacement for my iPhone, as a third phone).

Also, by doing so, at the very least Palm is acknowledging that Apple's iTunes must be very valuable if they are using all these methods to try and get it to sync.
 
This will make it that much sweeter when Palm fails flat on their face and files for bankruptcy. Hey, Palm.. you guys selling the expected 117,000 Pres per week? :p ;) :D
 
This only effects people with a Palm and yet it's a bunch of people who don't own one that for some reason are so distraught over this. This has nothing to do with non-palm owners! Move on!

so true. i bet the people on this forum are losing sleep over it. Sad, really. :(
 
I have a Pre...

and really I don't see what the big deal about syncing to Itunes is. I tried that *ish several times, and my Itunes playlists *still* don't seem to be intact once they get to my Pre. So basically I just drag and drop music in USB mode. Either way, it doesn't seem like the phone will recognize or organize my playlists, so syncing is just a relatively minor luxury.
 
Seriously, what difference does it make to me and you if a Palm Pre user can sync their music the way they want to?

would you like me to borrow your car for the day? Or come over to your house and sit and watch your telly on your sofa? Or ask your wife out on a date? No. I bet you wouldn't because what's yours is yours and I don't have the right to do any of that without your prior permission! It's the same with software. Palm don't have the right to steal another programs functionality without apples permission. Apple have worked long and hard to develop that software, palm simply don't have the right to just steal it, like I don't have the right to just take your car for a spin anytime I want to.
 
would you like me to borrow your car for the day? Or come over to your house and sit and watch your telly on your sofa? Or ask your wife out on a date? No. I bet you wouldn't because what's yours is yours and I don't have the right to do any of that without your prior permission! It's the same with software. Palm don't have the right to steal another programs functionality without apples permission. Apple have worked long and hard to develop that software, palm simply don't have the right to just steal it, like I don't have the right to just take your car for a spin anytime I want to.

...who is showing up to your house and taking your iTunes? Who is coming to take your car? Is a Palm Pre user doing this to you? Should you seek professional help?

I think that person meant, in very simple terms, people are taking this entirely too personally. How does someone syncing iTunes personally affect YOUR life? Are you unable to sync as a result of this? Do you even notice when someone is syncing via iTunes? What does it really matter to you?


That's like me being upset because someone illegally downloads a movie I really like. Besides the fact that I am a fan of this movie/director/producer, it really doesn't concern me. It doesn't keep me from enjoying my movie, it doesn't take the movie away.

Don't get so butthurt worrying about Palm and Apple's battles, if they needed your input, I'm sure they'd bring you on board.
 
I'm getting so sick of this from Palm.

Make a decent phone, a decent OS, and your own syncing software that pairs with the iTunes library.

I'm sick of fanatical Apple users thinking it's OK for Apple to lock everyone out of their operating system and utilities if they think it will benefit them. Palm users represent more sales from their iTunes store, but it's apparent that Apple values the hardware sales more than any software sales or they would be HELPING companies like Palm access iTunes syncing. No, Apple wants its cake and to eat it too as usual. While Palm shouldn't be spoofing, Apple shouldn't be locking everyone out of their iTunes Store either (and you CANNOT access that store any other way but to use iTunes so spare me the total BS about Palm writing their own software to do it; Apple would deny that too and you know it).

Frankly, I think Palm is the lesser of two evils here. They are simply trying to compete their hardware against Apple's hardware and as usual, Apple is using its operating system and other programs as illegal tying leverage to prevent other HARDWARE from competing with Apple hardware on the same playing field. You cannot compare a Dell PC with an iMac because you cannot run the same operating system on the Dell due to illegal licensing contracts in the Apple operating system. Therefore, Apple used their software to thwart hardware competition. Here, you have Apple blocking all 3rd party access to the core of their operating system's music player/library/syncho/store-front/do-everything-under-the-sun-but-make-popcorn application. The issue here is not iTunes. iTunes is given out for free both with the operating system and on their web site. The issue is that iTunes has turned into a one-size-fits-all monster of a program that runs just about everything short of the Finder these days within itself.

I use iTunes to run my whole house audio system because Apple TV REQUIRES it to function. Therefore, my entire music library is organized through that interface. The entire house can play music through that interface, but along comes Apple and tells me I cannot control non-Apple hardware through that same interface because they want me to buy THEIR hardware, not a competitor. But that's a different market (hardware player/device versus a software controller that comes with the operating system and is required to buy software from the iTunes store and up until recently was ENCRYPTED (movies still are) so I could not use anyone else's device if I wanted to, regardless if they wrote their own "synchro" software.

Everything Apple does is designed to thwart competition and create vertical markets where you never have to (and mostly likely cannot even if you wanted to) buy products from anyone other than Apple and still use your other Apple products, since they won't play nice with anyone else. I mean that was a real bummer when half the Internet would ONLY run properly on Internet Explorer since its non-standards were becoming all too standard anyway due to market penetration. Microsoft LOVED that. It gave them control.

Apple is no different. They don't want USB 3.0, for example any more than they wanted USB 2.0 (they wanted Firewire since it meant huge licensing kickbacks). Now they want Light Peak instead of USB 3.0 for similar reasons. There's money to be made by not playing nice. You don't see Blu-Ray on Macs because Steve wants you to buy movies from iTunes, not from a Sony licensed format. You probably won't see USB 3.0 on Macs (you'll get Light Peak instead, which will be heavily leveraged on the next generation iPhone to PUSH REALLY HARD to try and make it the new standard instead). This behavior is WRONG, IMO. My operating system of choice should not hinge on Apple's vested vertical marketing interests. It should be independent of them. If I want to watch Blu-Ray movies on my Mac, that should be MY choice not Steve's choice. If I want USB 3.0 and not Light Peak, that should be choice as well, not Steve's choice to leave it out to try and force me to use Light Peak. If I want a Palm Pre, that should be MY choice, not Steve's choice. If I want one of each, that again should be my decision. Apple doesn't have to help Palm, but they don't' have to keep trying to stop them either. Two wrongs don't make a right and Apple is the best example ever of why hardware and software markets should not be "tied" together in a way that tries to thwart competition. In fact, it is illegal under the Clayton Anti-Trust act and no a company does NOT have to be a monopoly for the tying rule to apply. Once Apple modified their software in such a way to PURPOSELY prevent competition from other hardware vendors, they broke the tying provision of the Clayton law. Imagine if Apple prevented all printers from working with OS X except Apple branded printers...but because it's a phone instead of a printer, it's OK?

Next they'll be telling me I'm not allowed to have a choice for a public option in health care just so the insurance companies can maintain their insanely high profit levels.... :rolleyes:

Umm they already have done that. They are just giving their uses another option instead of having to install and run more software on there computer.

They could even ague under USB-IF that they are not spoofing the ids to computer hardware and OS. It is only be spoof to certain software to get around blocks and it is only emulating it. Not changing what it really is.

It's no different than certain web browsers spoofing others so they can access sites that try to deny the user the choice of using anything but a certain web browser (oh say Internet Explorer?) regardless of whether it's capable of doing the task or not. Apple is ONLY trying to stop Palm because it wants to "nudge" the public into buying an iPhone instead of a Pre regardless of whether there are other legitimate reasons to consider it. Personally, I don't appreciate Apple trying to force me to buy their products by purposely breaking features on other products. Why should I keep buying music from the ITunes store if Apple wants to make my life difficult in the process? No wonder Amazon is gaining ground. They are trying to sell music, not hardware. Maybe if Apple wasn't trying to sell all things to all people they wouldn't keep stepping on their own toes the whole way. It's like cutting off your hand to get rid of a blister.
 
Palm is clearing break apple intellectual propety regarding the itunes ID they are using regardless of how they use it is fully breaking the law.

I for one would love to see aplle sue the asses of these idiots.
 
Palm is clearing break apple intellectual propety regarding the itunes ID they are using regardless of how they use it is fully breaking the law.

I for one would love to see aplle sue the asses of these idiots.

are you planning on getting a cut of the money? Oh wait...
 
It's no different than certain web browsers spoofing others so they can access sites that try to deny the user the choice of using anything but a certain web browser (oh say Internet Explorer?) regardless of whether it's capable of doing the task or not.

Even Apple's own Safari can spoof IE, Firefox etc. Yet when Palm spoofs an Apple client, people complain :rolleyes:
 
i own several ipods and use itunes and feel they are just being down right low and too lazy to develop there own syncing app which they use.

I also am an apple share holder and this pisses me right off
 
i own several ipods and use itunes and feel they are just being down right low and too lazy to develop there own syncing app which they use.

I also am an apple share holder and this pisses me right off

Explain how this has affected your shares in Apple?

I also own 3 iPods and two MBs, it doesnt affect me at all. In fact I just seamlessly synced my music to my iPod Touch, amazing, huh?

And, I hope you paid for all of those songs, movies, tv shows you have on your iPods, no sharing or streaming tv shows either, Mr. Copyright/Intellectual Property.
 
Umm as a shareholder, he is a part owner of a company that is having it's software IPR stolen.

So yeah I can understand how he is pissed off.

Again, can you show me where this Palm syncing iTunes is negatively affecting Apples stock? Oh right...I won't hold my breath.
 
I think that basically, it's illegal and unfair fro Palm to do this, and especially keep doing it. On the other hand, it doesn't affect us, users, in any way. It probably pisses Palm users off though, since they don't have dedicated software, so all they can use is iTunes, and that isn't an official solution since it only works after every second update.

So if you don't own a Palm Pre, this isn't a problem for you.

If you buy an iPhone, it's guaranteed to work as it should. Now apparently, the Palm Pre isn't a finished product yet as it doesn't have dedicated client software.
 
Again, can you show me where this Palm syncing iTunes is negatively affecting Apples stock? Oh right...I won't hold my breath.

Short term it isn't.

But what happens if someone files suit against Apple and wins because Apple DIDN'T actively block this, the floodgates opened and other companies decided also to spoof their product as an Apple product, and because of that Apple is then forced to offer de-facto support because they didn't actively block this.

And who knows? If Palm had licenced the technology to sync via iTunes from Apple, there would have then been licence payments which would result in increased profits for Apple, and a larger dividend for shareholders.
 
Short term it isn't.

But what happens if someone files suit against Apple and wins because Apple DIDN'T actively block this, the floodgates opened and other companies decided also to spoof their product as an Apple product, and because of that Apple is then forced to offer de-facto support because they didn't actively block this.

And who knows? If Palm had licenced the technology to sync via iTunes from Apple, there would have then been licence payments which would result in increased profits for Apple, and a larger dividend for shareholders.

lol. you can come up with whatever "what if" scenario you want. When he starts losing money as a result of this, please, do let me know. Then, and only then, will he be able to use that (its coming out of my pocket) argument
 
Yay...go Palm!

Although it'd be wise to write your own sync program in the interim. A la RIM.
 
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