Pathetic support

[oldmacs]

This is the crux of your whinge though, that you can't afford to buy a new Mac....

Dunno who you think you're talking to. My main Mac is supported by 10.14.

My opposition to this is that a) Macs are expensive so I don't think 10 years of support is unreasonable, especially given the state of computing where performance is not increasing that much, and the amount of money Apple has. If they can afford to make rubbish tv shows, they can afford to support their own machines. They've given support to machines less powerful than the ones they have dropped. b) It is an environmentally bad decision c) They don't have replacements for certain machines they've dropped (17 inch MacBook Pro I'm looking at you).

The crux of your whinge is apparently that you can't deal with criticism of Apple and must thus reply to my posts on not just one but two seperate forums to have your own whinge.

Perhaps Apple should continue to support PPC Macs?

Where the hell does that one come from? I mean sure PPC support was dropped too early (They should have gotten 10.6), they do not have the power to run 10.14. The 2009-2011 Macs do (if they were able to run a non metal required version, which is possible).

So should Apple support years-old machines that have the bare-minimum requirements even if the OS slows them to a crawl? Or should they compromise the performance of the OS on new machines and/or drop features to cater to the lowest common denominator?

2009 onwards (even some of the 2008 Macs) run High Sierra very well, especially with SSDs. So yeah, 10.14 with its fairly minimal changes in terms of new features that effect performance isn' going to slow these Macs to a crawl. They also don't have to compromise on the new machines. They are capable of targeting two versions of MacOS. They certainly have the resources and ability.

Yet you persist with your whinging about supporting old Macs, because you can't afford a new one. You do have the opportunity for hand me downs though, when people upgrade their Macs...

Who are you trying to reply to? Oldmacs or old mac?

Regardless, you persist on whinging about other people voicing their opinions on threads that you weren't even involved in because apparently you can't deal with any criticism of Apple.

 

[MBAir2010]

This is nothing new for Apple since the release of snow leopard that made power pc macs obsolete.
personally, I’m not upgrading to Mojave even if the good ol MBAir 2010 can digest this OSX.
[doublepost=1528587715][/doublepost]My MBA 2010 will not power on or off (thanks to TSA) and I have other keyboard issues but I am not letting MY laptop go, heck the laptop is more productive and responsive than my Mac mini! My concern is just hoping websites still develop for tha macboook Air in the future.
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Regardless, you persist on whinging about other people voicing their opinions on threads that you weren't even involved in because apparently you can't deal with any criticism of Apple.

This site has members who forget compassion or understanding someone’s situation using their Mac without knowing they might be rude. They probably don’t mean to be like that, but it is aggravating.

I started using Siri today and opted for an Aussie female Siri voice!

 

[old mac]

Who are you trying to reply to? Oldmacs or old mac?

He was trying put down this old mac. It's hilarious that someone can judge another persons financial situation from a few post.

 

[aevan]

Again, I'm a newbie. I'm just barely getting into learning about variables etc. I'm nowhere near employable either full time or part time. I'm in process of taking a course online. A newbie mechanic starting out learning about cars doesn't buy a 2018 Ferrari to learn the beginnings of car mechanics. They buy an older model to start with and work their way up. I can work my way up with Mac but now I don't know if next year they're gonna cut off the next model of Mac I plan on buying. It's practically a guessing game. And a very expensive one at that

I understand what you're saying, but you have to realize, Apple didn't drop support for your Mac to punish you or anything. They did it because the time and effort to support older GPU hardware is better spent elsewhere. I understand this doesn't help you, but it does help move macOS forward for the majority of users.

On the other hand, nothing stops you from doing your work on High Sierra for a few more years. Especially if you're just learning all this stuff.

 

[MBAir2010]

That's a little comforting. My background story is I invested time and money (online course) into being a developer. I'm a complete newbie having only purchased my Mac a few weeks ago. So I have a right to be a little upset. I came from a Windows machine. A Dell Latitude. It ran Windows 10 fine but it had multiple issues. I saw an opportunity to get into iOS development and obviously needed a Mac. I don't have $1500 available so I went with what I could afford which is a 2011 MBP. It's got 16gb ram and 1tb HDD. I figured it was a solid machine and would last at least a year or two for my needs. Now the fact I have to get a newer machine in a year does make me a little upset, not necessarily a complainer

I feel for you, as for me, I’m pretending Mojave never happened and keep my Apple products productive
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I understand what you're saying, but you have to realize, Apple didn't drop support for your Mac to punish you or anything. They did it because the time and effort to support older GPU hardware is better spent elsewhere. I understand this doesn't help you, but it does help move macOS forward for the majority of users.

On the other hand, nothing stops you from doing your work on High Sierra for a few more years. Especially if you're just learning all this stuff.

I just hope our Macs will not get annoying upgrade notifications every time I start my day, these things are very pushy and that red 1 circle on the app icon is too inviting.

 

[aevan]

I just hope our Macs will not get annoying upgrade notifications every time I start my day, these things are very pushy and that red 1 circle on the app icon is too inviting.

Lol, ever tried Windows 10?

 

[Guy Clark]

You are a little naive. matreya was being disingenuous, with the question you answered.

Dunno who you think you're talking to. My main Mac is supported by 10.14.

My opposition to this is that a) Macs are expensive so I don't think 10 years of support is unreasonable, especially given the state of computing where performance is not increasing that much, and the amount of money Apple has. If they can afford to make rubbish tv shows, they can afford to support their own machines. They've given support to machines less powerful than the ones they have dropped. b) It is an environmentally bad decision c) They don't have replacements for certain machines they've dropped (17 inch MacBook Pro I'm looking at you).

The crux of your whinge is apparently that you can't deal with criticism of Apple and must thus reply to my posts on not just one but two seperate forums to have your own whinge.



Where the hell does that one come from? I mean sure PPC support was dropped too early (They should have gotten 10.6), they do not have the power to run 10.14. The 2009-2011 Macs do (if they were able to run a non metal required version, which is possible).



2009 onwards (even some of the 2008 Macs) run High Sierra very well, especially with SSDs. So yeah, 10.14 with its fairly minimal changes in terms of new features that effect performance isn' going to slow these Macs to a crawl. They also don't have to compromise on the new machines. They are capable of targeting two versions of MacOS. They certainly have the resources and ability.



Who are you trying to reply to? Oldmacs or old mac?

Regardless, you persist on whinging about other people voicing their opinions on threads that you weren't even involved in because apparently you can't deal with any criticism of Apple.

This conversation has now turned utterly irrational. I have three generations of Macs a PowerBook G4, a mid 2011 21.5" iMac and a late 2015 21.5" 4k iMac. I have accepted the 2011 iMac will not run Mojave as I consider it not to be a major issue.
The inability to run Mojave is insignificant when place it beside the cataclysmic oncoming storm or ARM replacing Intel which will have far greater consequences of when Intel replaced PPC.

 

[matreya]

My main Mac is supported by 10.14.

Yes, but you KNOW the clock is ticking. And it will be interesting to see how well the GPU in your pre-retina MacBook Pro runs Mojave..

They've given support to machines less powerful than the ones they have dropped

The only criterion is GPU supporting Metal. People with 2010 Mac Pros with a compatible video card will be able to use Mojave. If other Macs from that era could have their GPUs upgraded, they would work also.

 

[Guy Clark]

Lol, ever tried Windows 10?

Windows 10 is great for gaming the benefit of Bootcamp.
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Yes, but you KNOW the clock is ticking. And it will be interesting to see how well the GPU in your pre-retina MacBook Pro runs Mojave..



The only criterion is GPU supporting Metal. People with 2010 Mac Pros with a compatible video card will be able to use Mojave. If other Macs from that era could have their GPUs upgraded, they would work also.

The more pressing issue is eGPU only has Thunderbolt 3 support.

 

[MBAir2010]

Lol, ever tried Windows 10?

Wednesday.....to connect a router.......for under 5 minutes........what a mess!

 

[old mac]

The inability to run Mojave is insignificant when place it beside the cataclysmic oncoming storm or ARM replacing Intel which will have far greater consequences of when Intel replaced PPC.

Not trying to argue, but what makes you think it will be worse?

 

[Guy Clark]

Not trying to argue, but what makes you think it will be worse?

The amount of software that has been written for Intel Macs is one hundred fold compared to the days of PPC. None will be compatible with ARM based architecture. Parallels Desktop, VMware Fusion, Final Cut Pro...all Apps written for Intel based Macs will be OUT

Not to mention BOOTCAMP!

 

[oldmacs]

Yes, but you KNOW the clock is ticking. And it will be interesting to see how well the GPU in your pre-retina MacBook Pro runs Mojave

It’ll run it fine. Non retina MacBooks were still being sold 2.5 years ago, so should have a fair while of support left. My Mac will probably run better than some of the 2012 and 2013 retina pros which were very underspecced for retina displays.
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The only criterion is GPU supporting Metal. People with 2010 Mac Pros with a compatible video card will be able to use Mojave. If other Macs from that era could have their GPUs upgraded, they would work also.

Yes because they’ve taken Open GL out of MacOS, something they can easily still enable for older Max’s.

 

[old mac]

The amount of software that has been written for Intel Macs is one hundred fold compared to the days of PPC. None will be compatible with ARM based architecture. Parallels Desktop, VMware Fusion, Final Cut Pro...all Apps written for Intel based Macs will be OUT

Not to mention BOOTCAMP!

You don't think they will come up with Rosetta II, to make the transition easier?

 

[Guy Clark]

You don't think they will come up with Rosetta II, to make the transition easier?

Possibly but Apple only offered Rosetta in Snow Leopard (one release) in Lion the PPC app user was entirely dumped.

 

[old mac]

Possibly but Apple only offered Rosetta in Snow Leopard (one release) in Lion the PPC app user was entirely dumped.

No, it was a separate download for 10.6, but it was included in the Intel versions of 10.4 and 10.5

 

[FeliApple]

What I find rare (Basing this on opinions here - I'm running El Capitan on a 2015 Retina MacBook Pro, ported updating fears from iOS, a discussion for another time - ) is that older and non-supported Macs work just fine when updated anyway (unlike iOS where the less powerful supported devices lag, I can't imagine how unsupported devices would even run) so they should not have any problems.
Taking out the Metal part, per opinions here there aren't many reasons for Apple not to support Sierra or High Sierra on some Macs other than just not wanting to.

 

[matreya]

It’ll run it fine. Non retina MacBooks were still being sold 2.5 years ago, so should have a fair while of support left. My Mac will probably run better than some of the 2012 and 2013 retina pros which were very underspecced for retina displays.

You're talking about the 13 inch model no? It will be interesting to see how well Mojave is rendered by it's integrated HD4000 GPU.

Yes because they’ve taken Open GL out of MacOS, something they can easily still enable for older Max’s.

How do you KNOW it would be easy?

 

[oldmacs]

You're talking about the 13 inch model no? It will be interesting to see how well Mojave is rendered by it's integrated HD4000 GPU.

Yep. I’d expect pretty well.

How do you KNOW it would be easy?

How do you know it wouldn’t be? The code was essentially already there.

 

[matreya]

The code was essentially already there.

So you're saying that despite Apple re-writing macOS code to fully use Metal, it's just an easy task to keep old code so as to support non-Metal compatible Macs? Go tell that to Craig and his team. In fact, just tweet him

 

[techguy15]

Yet you persist with your whinging about supporting old Macs, because you can't afford a new one. You do have the opportunity for hand me downs though, when people upgrade their Macs...

Oh Mr. Wealthy please do tell us more about who can and cannot afford various Macs
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I understand what you're saying, but you have to realize, Apple didn't drop support for your Mac to punish you or anything. They did it because the time and effort to support older GPU hardware is better spent elsewhere. I understand this doesn't help you, but it does help move macOS forward for the majority of users.

On the other hand, nothing stops you from doing your work on High Sierra for a few more years. Especially if you're just learning all this stuff.

I appreciate your honest view. I'm hoping to just keep my Mac and work with it. Wish me luck as a newbie!

 

[matreya]

Oh Mr. Wealthy please do tell us more about who can and cannot afford various Macs

I'm hardly wealthy but I do save my money so I can afford nice things like new Macs. Who knows, maybe you'll build a popular app and make heaps, then buy a new Mac...

 

[thingstoponder]

I'm glad I didn't sign up and pay $99 to be a developer now that my Mac won't be supported for Mojave. Based on this I wouldn't buy another Mac again. Period.
How can you have 7 year old laptops dropped? It literally makes no sense that I can run high sierra and now I can't run Mojave. I was going to fully invest in the Apple ecosystem based on how I was enjoying my MacBook and I assumed that it would be supported for at least another few years seeing that it's fully capable spec wise. Now I wouldn't touch another Apple product. I came from a PC, chose a Mac and now I'll be headed back to Windows and Linux where devices are supported. I'm afraid to get an iPhone SE. would it be dropped after ios 12? Wouldn't doubt it

Does your computer support Metal? That's probably the reason for the cut off. Tech moves on, get over it.
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And what's this stupid "metal" thing that concerns whether my 2011 Mac gets supported or not? Sounds irrelevant to me.
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Alright, let's move along.

 

[Guy Clark]

Oh Mr. Wealthy please do tell us more about who can and cannot afford various Macs

It has nothing to do with being wealthy. All three of my Macs I have purchased were secondhand. If you shop around you can get a really good deal. For example my late 2015 21.5" 4k iMac I paid half of the original retail price earlier this year, my mid 2011 21.5" iMac I built from spare parts from various sources for a snip at £300 and for my 12" PowerBook G4 I paid mere £25. I am not wealthy I just look out for a good deal. Furthermore I saved the the mid 2011 from adding to the global eWaste problem the same as my ten year old 12" IBM ThinkPad which runs Lubuntu 16.04 LTS which I also paid £25.

 

[Appleak]

yup agreed pathetic support