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Pebble Drops Prices on Its Watches, Pokes Fun at Jony Ive

spectrumfox said:
Very much, yes.

For those of us living in the real world, without Apple-tinted glasses, this is exactly how it is.
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Um, no. Yes Apple takes jabs at Android during their keynotes, but their commercials and advertisements are exactly as you described as not being: advertising on their products own merits.

With the exception of the Mac vs. PC campaign, Apple showcases their product and the experience they create for the consumer. They don't name competition and run ads specifically targeting their competitors.

It doesn't take Apple-tinted glasses to see this.
 
scottjl said:
Did you say that about 10 years of "I'm a Mac. I'm a PC." ads?
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Those ads used the PC as a foil to highlight Mac's strengths. Other than being cheap, I'm not sure I see the lure of the Pebble.

More than anything, this "ad" highlights fear and ignorance. Of *course* it's more than just a watch. That's the whole point.
 
Euge said:
Um, no. Yes Apple takes jabs at Android during their keynotes, but their commercials and advertisements are exactly as you described as not being: advertising on their products own merits.

With the exception of the Mac vs. PC campaign, Apple showcases their product and the experience they create for the consumer. They don't name competition and run ads specifically targeting their competitors.

It doesn't take Apple-tinted glasses to see this.
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What?? :D

You can't just make an exception for the Mac vs. PC campaign. It lasted for years and was the staple of Apple advertising at the time: Making swipes at their competition to tout their own products.

It doesn't matter that they don't do it now. They did it then.
 
I think Pebble actually has a great product on their hands. Some people don't want all the do-dads on their wrist. They want a watch and simple notifications coupled with longer battery life. right now - Pebble is the only one that offers that AND is cross-platform. Samsung, Android Wear and the Apple Watch are all tied to one platform.
 
GekkePrutser said:
I believe that's a reference to the relatively low-res LCD in their product.

Also, notice that they don't have any pictures of sharper than-real displays or better contrast than is achievable, their pictures look realistic with a fairly grey background (for some of them it actually looks better in real life). I like that about them, they don't try to make it better than it is.
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I get that. Honesty is good and often in scarce supply.

But shouldn't they be doing everything in their power to make their product better? Particularly the screen. The bit you look at.

Shouldn't they at least be pressuring their component supplier to deliver better quality displays?
 
APlotdevice said:
That "black and white dull screen" is more than addiquate for displaying notifications and applets. More over its a persistant display which is readable in virtually any lighting condition.
(I can pretty much gaurantee you that the :apple:Watch will wash out in sunlight)
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I gaurantee that a persistant spell checker will be addiquate for you.

Not hatin'. Just sayin'.
 
I think all smart watches are currently just ugly. Regardless if its an Apple watch or Pebble.
 
spectrumfox said:
What?? :D

You can't just make an exception for the Mac vs. PC campaign. It lasted for years and was the staple of Apple advertising at the time: Making swipes at their competition to tout their own products.

It doesn't matter that they don't do it now. They did it then.
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Why not? That had a very specific purpose and was done tastefully.

Even if you don't agree with me making that exception, you using that single campaign to back up your general statement of "instead of advertising on their products own merits" does not make for a good argument.

Because if that were the case, I could say the exact same thing about every competitor that has taken a swipe at Apple in their campaigns.
 
Euge said:
Why not? That had a very specific purpose and was done tastefully.

Even if you don't agree with me making that exception, you using that single campaign to back up your general statement of "instead of advertising on their products own merits" does not make for a good argument.

Because if that were the case, I could say the exact same thing about every competitor that has taken a swipe at Apple in their campaigns.
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I'm sorry, did you just refer to the "I'm a Mac" campaign as 'tasteful'?

We're so done here. :D
 
Pebble might be usable, but the screen is so ugly, I would be ashamed wearing it.
 
The I'm a Mac ads were nothing compared to the blatant shots used by apple competitors today.
 
itsmemuffins said:
For the love of God. The Apple watch hasn't even been released yet and they are already running scared. :rolleyes:

Can manufacturers not advertise on their products own merits? Must they always make cheap swipes at Apple?
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LMFAO, that's funny since apple has taken a lot of cheap swipes at microsoft over the years. That's the way it works.

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ebrown17 said:
The I'm a Mac ads were nothing compared to the blatant shots used by apple competitors today.
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Same stuff, everything gets ratcheted up with time.

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spectrumfox said:
I'm sorry, did you just refer to the "I'm a Mac" campaign as 'tasteful'?

We're so done here. :D
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The hypocrisy is hilarious,:rolleyes:

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Liberty. said:
I think all smart watches are currently just ugly. Regardless if its an Apple watch or Pebble.
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Me too.
 
spectrumfox said:
I'm sorry, did you just refer to the "I'm a Mac" campaign as 'tasteful'?

We're so done here. :D
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That's your opinion. You can disagree. You still haven't explained of how you justify a general statement by a single ad campaign (which is the original point of this debate). That's just ridiculous logic. That's like saying, "Remember that Mac vs. PC campaign? That just proves Apple doesn't advertise on their products own merits."

I challenge you to find a single Apple ad or commercial in the last 5 years that's in any way similar to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxhSnNZH3Rk
or this:
https://twitter.com/HTCUSA/status/514904626064150528
or this:
https://twitter.com/LGUSAMobile/status/514817371911901184
or this:
https://twitter.com/SamsungMobile/status/515074944485449728
 
spectrumfox said:
What?? :D

You can't just make an exception for the Mac vs. PC campaign. It lasted for years and was the staple of Apple advertising at the time: Making swipes at their competition to tout their own products.

It doesn't matter that they don't do it now. They did it then.
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There was only about 66 of those commercials in north america, writing them off against this one of pebble is funny.
 
Toltepeceno said:
LMFAO, that's funny since apple has taken a lot of cheap swipes at microsoft over the years. That's the way it works.

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Same stuff, everything gets ratcheted up with time.
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The last Mac v PC ad aired in 2009. Yeah Cook throws out some red meat at keynotes but that's not the same as taking cheap shots at competitors via ads. Apple's not out on social media taking cheap shots the minute a competitor releases a new product. This new Pebble ad campaign would be perfectly fine with out the petty reference to Jony Ive.
 
They did 66 of those ads in north america, so the compeditors have a ways to catch up. What does the last 5 years have to do with it? Ajpple is just as bad, or even worse if you count commercials so why not just get over it? I don't see why people are such apple apologists when they are just a big company out to make money.

Euge said:
That's your opinion. You can disagree. You still haven't explained of how you justify a general statement by a single ad campaign (which is the original point of this debate). That's just ridiculous logic. That's like saying, "Remember that Mac vs. PC campaign? That just proves Apple doesn't advertise on their products own merits."

I challenge you to find a single Apple ad or commercial in the last 5 years that's in any way similar to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxhSnNZH3Rk
or this:
https://twitter.com/HTCUSA/status/514904626064150528
or this:
https://twitter.com/LGUSAMobile/status/514817371911901184
or this:
https://twitter.com/SamsungMobile/status/515074944485449728
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Apple watch is nice and all, but I'd like to have something I don't have to *worry* about. For me $350, is not a lot of money, but is also not insanely cheap. For now the withings pulse o2 is meeting my needs and expectations, I'm thinking about waiting for the apple watch 2.

Companies like pebble are doing good things for the tech community, bringing nice products, at semi-affordable prices. If anything I think the jab at apple is kinda funny.
 
Someone had to say it - well someone that mattered vaguely had to say it. The iWatch videos with Jony pretty much made out that no one had ever seen a watch before, not just a smart watch. Went a bit too far, possibly trying to cover up failings? We'll have to see, but the usage of the UI looked far too complicated when in almost every case you will have a phone pocketed not 40cm away.
 
Euge said:
That's your opinion. You can disagree. You still haven't explained of how you justify a general statement by a single ad campaign (which is the original point of this debate). That's just ridiculous logic. That's like saying, "Remember that Mac vs. PC campaign? That just proves Apple doesn't advertise on their products own merits."

I challenge you to find a single Apple ad or commercial in the last 5 years that's in any way similar to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxhSnNZH3Rk
or this:
https://twitter.com/HTCUSA/status/514904626064150528
or this:
https://twitter.com/LGUSAMobile/status/514817371911901184
or this:
https://twitter.com/SamsungMobile/status/515074944485449728
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Okay there's one big thing difference here.

Apple touts themselves up as the very best of the best. The best phones, the best desktop OS, the best mobile OS, the best of everything. They're #1 and no one can touch them.

And that's fine, that's how they choose to advertise themselves: The premium computer company. And it works for them (mostly).

The problem is, that opens the door wide open for ridicule from competing companies when something they do doesn't go their way, or isn't the very best. If Apple can't live up to their lavish claims, then they deserve to get slammed for it. They deserve it.

If Apple were more humble, their competition would be as well.
 
When will they learn...

... that putting down somebody else will not generate customers?

No Apple user will buy a Samsung phone because they ridicule Apple users as stupid. Since we know, we're not, it's easy to come to the conclusion that Samsung is.

Now Pebble does the same. We have iPhones because we like them, will I buy something from someone who doesn't like the company, that I have chose to spend money on? I guess not.

I'm just sick of reading it in the MacRumors, because why should I bother wasting my life on "news" that try trash Apple (and always fails) and its users?

I am not someone who needs that. And all the Apple users I know, don't need that either.

This is not a community which thrives on putting other people down, but which likes its products. Let's not start with the Windows-Apple fun. First of all, it was fun and it generated a community feeling for Apple users and it also done in a poking-kind-a-fun way that was playful enough with style and not just blatant bashing.

However, Apple has grown out of it. Why? It doesn't need to reinforce its community any longer. Now if Samsung and Pebble want to reinforce their community, that's fine - I just don't need to read about it - and I will certainly not switch for them. So if they want generate sales in the Apple community (which they won't, I'm pretty sure of it), then their way of bashing is pointless.

With Pebble it's even more pointless - as they depend Apple users.

Why not praise the products you love? That's what I want to see. Putting other people down is just what the bully in school did: because he was just plain scared.

Poor Pebble.
Poor Samsung.

But then - I don't care.
 
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