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a British person deleted my post again.... time to see the old hag (queen)
Who? is that some blog made by a 15 year old?
All I remember was it being unexpected
Good post.
Almost forgot I took physiology my sophomore year should have remembered this
Who? is that some blog made by a 15 year old?
All I remember was it being unexpected
Good post.
Almost forgot I took physiology my sophomore year should have remembered this
errr... no. I think John Gruber is a little older than 15.
http://daringfireball.net/
It's the site that said the notebooks would come down in price, the 13 inch would be renamed to MBP, the new iPhone would be 3GS, posted Zune HD Info and has been spot on over the last couple of years.
Schiller also emailed him directly recently.
You should try reading some of the front page articles:
https://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/1...-to-recruit-app-store-developers-for-zune-hd/
https://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/13/os-x-snow-leopard-10a432-installer-tweaks-public-launch-on-august-28th/
Um, no, not quite. Windows 7 is the 7th major release of Windows
1. Windows 1.0
2. Windows 2.0
3. Windows 3.0, 3.1
4. Windows 95, 98, 98SE, ME
5. Windows 2000, XP
6. Windows Vista
7. Windows 7
Technically, Windows 7 is versioned as 6.1, but it's still considered a major release on a new kernel. That's why 95-ME all are considered the same, they use the same version (with minor changes) of the 4.x kernel.
You could make the same claim that OS X 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, etc are not major releases, but rather System 7, OS 8, OS 9 and OS X are the major releases. But in marketing, you can do whatever the hell you want really.
You are going to look so stupid in a couple of weeks time...
I never claimed to be 100% if you read my posts in this thread. I am just playing devils advocate and trying to find any clues that this could be fake. Hell, I'd like it to be real and have them release it early. Like I said before, it's probably real, but there's just some oddities that make it questionable. Besides, what else is the point of threads that show anonymously leaked product images, especially of a software box? Clearly one of the reasons is to discuss peoples' opinions on why it could be real or fake.
the sad thing is, after 32 pages of posts, we don't know any more than what we knew at the beginning of the thread
It's also NT version 6.1. So it's not the 7th interation of Windows, and it's not even version 7 of NT.
7 makes no sense unless you count in a very specific way :
1. Windows NT 3.1 (only named Windows NT).
2. Windows NT 3.5
Let's skip Windows NT 3.51...
3. Windows NT 4.0
4. Windows 2000 (NT 5.0)
5. Windows XP (NT 5.1)
Let's skip Windows XP 64 (NT 5.2)
6. Windows Vista (NT 6.0)
7. Windows 7 (NT 6.1)
OMG, this is so wrong on so many points. You have absolutely no clue about the history of Windows. I suggest reading at least the wikipedia page.
Windows 95 is not the "4.x kernel". Windows 2000, XP, Vista and 7 are based on the system Microsoft hired David Cutler to write, Windows NT, of which the first version was released in July 1993, Windows NT 3.1. This has nothing to do with the Windows 3.1 you know. It was a fully 32 bit, multi-user, multi-process operating system from the get go. This is where Windows 7 comes from, and it has absolutely no ties to the monstrosity that was the Windows 95 family tree.
Snow Leopard is supposedly "perfectly optimized" but it still uses outdated versions of OpenGL, lacks hardware acceleration for most video functions for most graphics cards (no support for a less than 1 year old MBP to decode MP4 with GPU assistance for example) and compared to DirectX (which is far from perfect, but blows away Apple's meager offerings in those areas) its video handling is child's play. How is that "most advanced" or "perfectly optimized" ?
How about some actual speed improvements, optimized drivers and full OS support for the hardware you have (i.e. hardware decoding whenever and wherever possible)? How about using some of those dozens of BILLIONS in cold hard cash you've been hoarding to hire a team to actually compete (or at least license) DirectX so Macs aren't total jokes when it comes to video decoding and gaming? $24+ Billion can buy a lot of programmers. Of course to use software support, you need to offer Macs that actually HAVE good hardware to assist in those operations. Putting slow laptop parts in your so-called "desktops" doesn't help much for getting desktop level POWER (what's that?) in your overall equation. Charging 3x more than a typical PC desktop with similar CPU power for a Mac Pro yet including stupid things like mini-display port on a FULL SIZE TOWER makes NO sense what-so-ever. Not including OS support for things like crossfire video cards is also stupid. Keeping advanced things like Blu-Ray off the table just to shore up a low-profit iTunes store is even more stupid. I mean what's more important to Apple? Making a small profit selling sub-DVD quality movies (they cannot seem to get Hollywood's support to sell many HD movies even at 720P) or having your computers be equated with the best there is supporting the latest and greatest video standards out there?
It's obvious which choice Apple has been making lately. Apple makes more decisions to go with CONSUMER grade equipment (instead of the professional options of the past; even Apple's "pro named" equipment isn't really "pro" anymore) and features and yet simultaneously IGNORES the large consumer grade areas like gaming. So you have this problem where Apple isn't really "Pro" anymore and it isn't really "consumer" friendly in all areas either (making a person choose between easy home video and gaming, when they should be able to get BOTH from a Mac). This is soley because Steve doesn't like certain areas of computing like gaming. And that's Apple's biggest problem right now. Steve is good at some things like new conceptual hardware and OS directions, but the consumer market place is larger than Steve's personal interests in computers and it shows...BIG TIME. Telling consumers to just boot into Windows defeats the overal strategy. It's at best a short term bridge, but I see no evidence of Apple trying to shore up its weak areas. If anything, it seems to be abandoning things like servers and moving towards more gadgets and less general purpose computing. Steve should not be the only and final say in Apple affairs. Apple needs to be bigger than JUST Steve and these days it's great financial shape and should be able to capture ALL those areas, not just specialize in one or two things to do well.
Meanwhile, Snow Leopard's biggest feature is that dumps around 1/3 of all Mac users out in the cold. Since nearly everyone who can upgrade will upgrade, support in applications for regular Leopard (let alone Universal binaries which die a quick death) will die in less than a year and those users will have pretty much useless computers (and holdout Intel owners will have NO CHOICE but to upgrade or lose the ability to get software updates). This will of course result in more money for Apple as few Mac users will change their entire platform and forfeit all their bought and paid for software to switch to Windows. I estimate around $1.4 Billion in cash for the minor Snow Leopard "upgrade" (~50 million Intel users x $29 each) and a potential $10Billion+ if Apple can get the 15 million PPC owners out there to buy a new Intel Mac as a result of Steve shoving them out of the nest. Steve knows this and takes advantage of his own customers as always (i.e. the infamous "Apple Tax") and the sad part is how so many Apple users actually LOVE HIM FOR IT.
I do have to wonder how much more market share Apple could have by now if they actually CARED about what the CUSTOMER WANTED instead of just what Steve wants as he talks to himself in his bathroom mirror. Maybe they should bring Woz back in as a consumer advocate. Maybe he could talk some sense into Steve or at least hold him at bay from himself in the mirror. But I gather that's why Woz got out of that area of the business long ago. He probably got sick of watching Steve talk to himself all day long.
How about some actual speed improvements, optimized drivers and full OS support for the hardware you have (i.e. hardware decoding whenever and wherever possible)? How about using some of those dozens of BILLIONS in cold hard cash you've been hoarding to hire a team to actually compete (or at least license) DirectX so Macs aren't total jokes when it comes to video decoding and gaming? $24+ Billion can buy a lot of programmers. Of course to use software support, you need to offer Macs that actually HAVE good hardware to assist in those operations. Putting slow laptop parts in your so-called "desktops" doesn't help much for getting desktop level POWER (what's that?) in your overall equation. Charging 3x more than a typical PC desktop with similar CPU power for a Mac Pro yet including stupid things like mini-display port on a FULL SIZE TOWER makes NO sense what-so-ever. Not including OS support for things like crossfire video cards is also stupid. Keeping advanced things like Blu-Ray off the table just to shore up a low-profit iTunes store is even more stupid. I mean what's more important to Apple? Making a small profit selling sub-DVD quality movies (they cannot seem to get Hollywood's support to sell many HD movies even at 720P) or having your computers be equated with the best there is supporting the latest and greatest video standards out there?
It's obvious which choice Apple has been making lately. Apple makes more decisions to go with CONSUMER grade equipment (instead of the professional options of the past; even Apple's "pro named" equipment isn't really "pro" anymore) and features and yet simultaneously IGNORES the large consumer grade areas like gaming. So you have this problem where Apple isn't really "Pro" anymore and it isn't really "consumer" friendly in all areas either (making a person choose between easy home video and gaming, when they should be able to get BOTH from a Mac). This is soley because Steve doesn't like certain areas of computing like gaming. And that's Apple's biggest problem right now. Steve is good at some things like new conceptual hardware and OS directions, but the consumer market place is larger than Steve's personal interests in computers and it shows...BIG TIME. Telling consumers to just boot into Windows defeats the overal strategy. It's at best a short term bridge, but I see no evidence of Apple trying to shore up its weak areas. If anything, it seems to be abandoning things like servers and moving towards more gadgets and less general purpose computing. Steve should not be the only and final say in Apple affairs. Apple needs to be bigger than JUST Steve and these days it's great financial shape and should be able to capture ALL those areas, not just specialize in one or two things to do well.
Meanwhile, Snow Leopard's biggest feature is that dumps around 1/3 of all Mac users out in the cold. Since nearly everyone who can upgrade will upgrade, support in applications for regular Leopard (let alone Universal binaries which die a quick death) will die in less than a year and those users will have pretty much useless computers (and holdout Intel owners will have NO CHOICE but to upgrade or lose the ability to get software updates). This will of course result in more money for Apple as few Mac users will change their entire platform and forfeit all their bought and paid for software to switch to Windows. I estimate around $1.4 Billion in cash for the minor Snow Leopard "upgrade" (~50 million Intel users x $29 each) and a potential $10Billion+ if Apple can get the 15 million PPC owners out there to buy a new Intel Mac as a result of Steve shoving them out of the nest. Steve knows this and takes advantage of his own customers as always (i.e. the infamous "Apple Tax") and the sad part is how so many Apple users actually LOVE HIM FOR IT.
I do have to wonder how much more market share Apple could have by now if they actually CARED about what the CUSTOMER WANTED instead of just what Steve wants as he talks to himself in his bathroom mirror. Maybe they should bring Woz back in as a consumer advocate. Maybe he could talk some sense into Steve or at least hold him at bay from himself in the mirror. But I gather that's why Woz got out of that area of the business long ago. He probably got sick of watching Steve talk to himself all day long.
You know, I have actually heard of Wilson Bryan Key, but thanks for the education. How does *anything* contained in your post make me wrong? Do you think maybe the Apple marketing team only just took "Subliminal Advertising 101", or do you think that maybe they've already figured out that something abstract and colourful like they had for 10.5 actually fits into the colour psychology model you're trying to peddle much better than the very literal and monotone packaging that is being speculated about?
Don't Windows NT 3.1, NT 3.5/3.51 and NT 4 get any love?
Note that the 16-bit and hybrids are in blue, and are separate from the NT kernel systems in black.
The list of kernel versions is here on Wikipedia, which shows that NT 6.1 is the 9th version of the NT kernel.
The "6.1" instead of "7.0" was chosen because at the OS interface level Windows 7 is almost identical to NT 6.0. Some software installers check for major version, and might choke (for no technical reason) if they see "7.0", but will install on "6.1" without complaint.
Anyway, since most people probably wouldn't even be able to find the NT Kernel Version number for their system, it's a bit silly to stress out over this detail.
Note that the 16-bit and hybrids are in blue, and are separate from the NT kernel systems in black.
The list of kernel versions is here on Wikipedia, which shows that NT 6.1 is the 9th version of the NT kernel.
The "6.1" instead of "7.0" was chosen because at the OS interface level Windows 7 is almost identical to NT 6.0. Some software installers check for major version, and might choke (for no technical reason) if they see "7.0", but will install on "6.1" without complaint.
Anyway, since most people probably wouldn't even be able to find the NT Kernel Version number for their system, it's a bit silly to stress out over this detail.
I love all of the banter back and forth about the design.
Call me crazy, but the OS is titled Snow Leopard so Apple placed a snow leopard on the cover in their usual minimalist way. Seems logical to me.
I guess they could put big blinking lights and anything else on the case to sell the product, but the simplistic and clear design seems to work IMO.
Call me crazy, but the OS is titled Snow Leopard so Apple placed a snow leopard on the cover in their usual minimalist way. Seems logical to me.
I guess they could put big blinking lights and anything else on the case to sell the product, but the simplistic and clear design seems to work IMO.
10A432 probably not gold master
I can say that as access to snow-leopard developer materials apple called this a pre-release, so I'm not convinced that this is the "Gold Master" of snow leopard. Hopefully that doesn't violate any NDA, but I would expect to see a release or two before final shipping.
I can say that as access to snow-leopard developer materials apple called this a pre-release, so I'm not convinced that this is the "Gold Master" of snow leopard. Hopefully that doesn't violate any NDA, but I would expect to see a release or two before final shipping.
Dark Castle
You know, I think I saw a Mac OS X version of Dark Castle. It might have been beta, but I know it's out there. :/
Here is Return to Dark Castle.
http://www.superhappyfunfun.com/games/gam_returntodc.html
Hugh
As long as I can:
emulate a PPC
so I can emulate a 68k
so I can run OS 3.2 on a Mac Plus emulator
to play Dark Castle -
I'm happy.
btw: I'm sorta neutral on the packaging (a vain attempt to stay on topic...).
You know, I think I saw a Mac OS X version of Dark Castle. It might have been beta, but I know it's out there. :/
Here is Return to Dark Castle.
http://www.superhappyfunfun.com/games/gam_returntodc.html
Hugh
Snow Leopard is supposedly "perfectly optimized" but it still uses outdated versions of OpenGL, lacks hardware acceleration for most video functions for most graphics cards (no support for a less than 1 year old MBP to decode MP4 with GPU assistance for example) and compared to DirectX (which is far from perfect, but blows away Apple's meager offerings in those areas) its video handling is child's play. How is that "most advanced" or "perfectly optimized" ?
How about some actual speed improvements, optimized drivers and full OS support for the hardware you have (i.e. hardware decoding whenever and wherever possible)?
Hardware acceleration is not up to Apple. It's up to Nvidia. All nvidia driver code is closed and they write all the drivers for Linux/Win/Mac. If they don't ship VDPAU for mac, we won't get hardware acceleration through dedicated GPU. Simple as that.
Same with outdated Open GL. Although advantages of 3.0 includes several types of FP16/FP32 data handling support, vertex/texture arrays, and some framebuffer optimizations. All in all, nothing to get excited about.
What?
Why would you have learned anything about colour psychology in your sophomore physiology class? For the sake of humanity, please don't breed.
Not only that, OpenGL 3.0 was introduced in August of 2008, barely a year ago. OpenGL is designed by a committee implements it first, standardises it and documents it and then people can start implementing it.
If this will indeed be the SL box art, then I wonder what the post-install intro video will look like...
They don't have much to focus on, in Tiger there was the Spotlight moving around and settling on the X, in Leopard you got a view of deep space (Time Machine), again settling on an oversized X... In SL, there aren't many new features, and the box art features an actual Snow Leopard instead of the almighty X.
They don't have much to focus on, in Tiger there was the Spotlight moving around and settling on the X, in Leopard you got a view of deep space (Time Machine), again settling on an oversized X... In SL, there aren't many new features, and the box art features an actual Snow Leopard instead of the almighty X.
Mmmmm, no. Apple has been bug-fixing Leopard with each point-point release, I think 10.5.8 is much better than 10.5.1 was. So, the PPC owners had their Leopard bug-fixed too...
Me too.
Maybe they'll sweep across an iMac's components and tell you what technologies impact what areas and show you what kind of performance benefits there are.
Or maybe a crappy slideshow of snow leopards.