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OSHA is to blame, not Apple. OSHA and MSHA... putting people in padded cells and providing lawyers with lush living since 19... forever. Reminds me of when I was working for Target in college. I could bench press 280 pounds at the time, but I sure as hell couldn't lift a 50 lb item from a shelf without a 2nd person to help... cause I might get hurt... OSHA say's so... and I might get a lawyer and clean out Target.

Can I sue someone for making my life inconvenient as hell due to all the stupid nonsensical rules imposed to protect the big companies from being sued?

btw - I don't smoke, but I find all this panicky biohazard b.s. rather comical. Man, our society has become spoiled. It's disgusting.
 
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I too am a smoker. I tried getting my wireless keyboard repaired after it stopped working for some reason and needless to say, ran into the same thing.

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pssh, nicotine tar is a biohazard? i recommend putting on a hazmat suit to avoid contamination from all the dirty hipster geniuses at the apple store here in portland. i wouldn't even let them touch my broken macbook.
 
pssh, nicotine tar is a biohazard? i recommend putting on a hazmat suit to avoid contamination from all the dirty hipster geniuses at the apple store here in portland. i wouldn't even let them touch my broken macbook.

The same people that used to work at Tower Records are now my Apple Geniuses. :rolleyes:
 
I offered to buy my friend a fully loaded MacPro if he gave up smoking. He said he couldn't accept the offer. Literally, he said he knew he would break his promise and would feel bad.

He's a graphic designer struggling with a crappy Dell.
 
It's too bad that Apple won't repair your computer, but I actually have to agree with some of the folks here.

As a service technician, I wouldn't want to work on one either. The smoke residue that builds up is very difficult to remove and it gets everywhere. It isn't like normal dust and you can't just blow it out of the computer with compressed air. It does actually cause damage to components, especially optical drives.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear that you found someone to clean out the computer. When you go to buy a new computer, keep in mind that this isn't a problem isolated to laptops. I've seen some really nasty PowerMac G4s and G5s when I used to work on them.
 
A "bio-hazard" because the owner is a smoker? LMFAO!

I hate cigarette smoke, too, but this thread just furthers the stereotype that Apple fans (I am one) are just a bunch of liberal pansies.

*cringing*
 
Would you feel comfortable repairing a computer that smelled like straight up piss, even if it appeared to be working?
 
I cant believe how ignorant and stupid the other post are. He had the Apple Care. They had to take it in either they liked it or not. He paid for the apple care and since the terms and agreement say nothing about smokers then it was very unprofessional of them.

Exposure to high levels of smoke constitutes abuse under the warranty and voids it.

Not news.

Been this way forever.
 
How extreme must a smoker be before this habit starts to have a negative impact on the computer?

I ask because my dad is a smoker, and he will typically light up a stick or 2 when he sits in front of my imac every night.

Guess there isn't really anything I can do about it though...:p
 
Smoking is an antisocial habit, so dont expect others to automatically deal with the mess you created, more companies should have this approach including healthcare. It`s not like it`s a big secret what heavy smoking does to the individual and those that surround them, personally I applaud Apple`s stance.

Same as drinking and driving the responsibility solely lies with the individual, so deal with it.....
 
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I have worked in a couple of different repair shops and we used to refuse to work on machines that had a strong smell of smoke about them. There is nothing worse than opening up a machine and seeing vents clogged and residue over the internal components.

The apple techs were correct to refuse to do anything with this machine.
 
Actually it is a Biohazard, you're just not very good at English.

Extreme? Maybe. But still correct use of the word.

Actually, you shouldn't capitalize it and you should have placed it in quotes given how you used the word. Additionally, you're not using commas properly. However, it doesn't really matter because grammar and spelling are beside the point.

Troll on, kiddo.
 
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Actually, you shouldn't capitalize it and you should have placed it in quotes given how you used the word. Additionally, you're not using commas properly. However, it doesn't really matter because grammar and spelling are beside the point.

Troll on, kiddo.

I use title case when explaining a word in text, it makes it clear which word is being discussed without using quotes everywhere.
 
If you are wondering why your desktops don't have this inside and your laptop does, consider where you smoke relative to the computers.

I'd imagine your desktop computer is much further away from where you actually smoke.
 
I can't imagine what in cigarette smoke residue could actually damage the electronics inside a laptop as some posters seem to be claiming.

I mean like if you put a cigarette right at the fan intake 24/7 for a couple of years you might gum up a bearing. Otherwise, it can't really harm the electronics.
 
I sympathize with the OP and feel that terms such as these should be more clearly stated in Apple Care. I didn't even know the effects second hand smoke could have on a PC until reading this topic as a matter of fact. Having said that, I don't think it's fair to conclude that Apple Care is useless if you're a smoker because many smokers don't smoke in their house, and typically use their laptops indoors. And if you are smoking and using your laptop outdoors then the PC is probably less susceptible to the damage anyway being in an open environment. Anyway, I wish you luck. Though their reaction to your being a smoker is (imho) a bit absurd at least you'll know to be more careful with your electronics in the future. And in the future I wouldn't admit to being a smoker in this situation knowing that this information could possibly be used to void your warranty. =P
 
What is biological about tobacco smoke residue?

The International Biohazard Standard includes toxins from a biological source. (Oxford/Wikipedia) Combustion products from organic matter apparently comes under this definition. (NCEA LVL2 Bio)

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I can't imagine what in cigarette smoke residue could actually damage the electronics inside a laptop as some posters seem to be claiming.

I mean like if you put a cigarette right at the fan intake 24/7 for a couple of years you might gum up a bearing. Otherwise, it can't really harm the electronics.

Have you looked inside a computer that's filled with dust? Well in a smokers hazard that dust mixes with the tar and turns into a film which completely renders the cooling system useless. The electronics just overheats and fails.
 
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Not only that, but eating dairy is the leading cause of osteoporosis in women and casein, the primary protein found in dairy products, has been shown in studies by Dr. T. Colin Campbell to cause cancer when consumption of casein exceeds 20% of total dietary intake.

Nice, I've never been happier to have a life threatening allergy to milk protein / casein / whey powder.
 
Not only that, but eating dairy is the leading cause of osteoporosis in women and casein, the primary protein found in dairy products, has been shown in studies by Dr. T. Colin Campbell to cause cancer when consumption of casein exceeds 20% of total dietary intake.


Eating meat and dairy puts your body into an acidic state. Once that happens, your body starts to leach calcium from its bones in order to neutralize the body's acidity. Bam - osteoporosis!

BS. If we ate no dairy at all, then our body would have to tap into our bones for calcium (which is required for a good majority of cellular functions). The idea is to keep Ca2+ intake high enough so that we don't trigger a lot of osteoclast activity. Dairy products are definitely not the "leading cause" of osteoporosis.

And milk's pH is 6.6. Slightly acidic, but hardly enough to cause any real issues in any real quantities. Drinking water has a pH as low as 5.5 in many cases

The pH of specific proteins by themselves is fairly meaningless. Our bodies are pretty good at breaking down proteins into individual amino acids. Many essential proteins are highly acidic, and many are rather basic. Of course many are also right around physiological pH of ~7.2

Casein by itself may very well be linked to cancer, but there are other substances in milk that seem to have anti cancer properties. Even with a dairy enriched diet, we likely do not get enough on a daily basis to have any real concerns about cancer.

Osteoporosis for the most part will come down to the hormonal changes a woman goes through by menopause. A low calcium and low vitamin D intake compounds the problem more. And you're also more likely to lose your bones if you don't exercise.


Did you know that 100% of the people who die in the US all have heart disease, but in various different stages, according to Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn? Does that mean we should not eat healthy and do everything within our power to NOT get heart disease?

Again, pretty much a load of crap. No real scientist would say anything is 100%. And pretty much no matter what you do, your vascular health at 80 will not be the same as it was when you were 18. Things do wear out.

And one does not have to follow a vegan diet to maintain good CV health. It really comes down to not eating meat in *excess* and maintaining a healthy lifestyle (excercize, etc..) - the fact is many meat eaters live full lives without having cardiac episodes. That's about as much as we can ask for.
Drinking alcohol does not cause cancer and most people do not drink in such excess as to cause damage to their livers. You are equating your smoking to an alcoholic who damages his liver. Except that alcoholism is a clinical condition, it's a disease. You are not suffering from a disease (yet), just an addiction. You are willingly doing this to yourself, an alcoholic can't help themselves.

Pretty much all physical addictions function by the same mechanism. A smoker is just as helpless as an alcoholic. And just like an alcoholic, someone who has successfully quit will be instantly hooked if they take even one hit.



Please learn a thing or two before spouting out propaganda. The vegan diet isn't perfect either. B12 deficiency is a real issue. It is easy enough to take B12 supplements agreed, but that in itself proves that the vegan diet is *not* "natural" for human beings despite what many suggest. And if vegan supplements did not also include calcium, there would be pretty significant osteoporosis issues among vegans.
 
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