President Trump Signs Repeal of U.S. Broadband Privacy Rules

[webbuzz]

I think the law should have been expanded to everyone, not just ISP's. What good does it do to prevent the ISP from spying on me (and trust me in a day of HTTPS, they don't see much short of what IP you're heading to (or if clever they can build a transparent HTTPS proxy and strip off SNI and get at least the URL)) when Google, Facebook, Amazon, Wal-Mart, etc. are all doing the same thing with way more targeted information. Either enact a privacy rule that protects us against them all, or forget it and let the states choose what to do.

The FTC is responsible for regulating how data is collected and used by the companies you mentioned, which was the case for ISP's before they were reclassified by the FCC. The repeal and view of the current FCC commission is to give that power back to the FTC.

 

[2010mini]

Very few people care that Hillary didn't win? Don't make me laugh. Have you seen all the videos of people crying after she lost? Cry rooms on college campuses, therapy dogs, protests, etc.

People claim to not like what Trump is doing only because they need someone to vilify. Since day one of his job, he has been working non stop to put EVERYTHING in place that he promised in his campaign. He could be ending world hunger war and the leftists would still find some way to bash him for it.

And enough with the popular vote claims. If it were reversed and Hillary won you'd be saying "You know Hillary won the electoral college right? The popular vote doesn't matter". Plus if you take into account all the votes that shouldn't have counted like dead people and non-citizens I don't think she necessarily did win the popular vote.

I for one would definitely bring up the popular vote if it were reversed. I would be rubbing it in every chance I got. (Yes, I'm not a fan of Hillary or Trump)

Trump working tirelessly?!?? Wow....



Where the hell are you getting your info from on voter fraud? It has been tirelessly investigated by both sides and has still come up empty.

Trump has no clue how to govern. Why? Because he has NEVER served the public in any capacity. But idiotic voters still think a country can be run like a business. And that perceived success in the business world easily translates to governing. It does not. hopefully Trump figure that out soon before he sends the country into a tailspin.

 

[webbuzz]

Ahh, the VPN crowd. Have you fully vetted your VPN provider to make sure they aren't inspecting your data? Have you vetted their ISP? I hope you are dropping off cash into a cardboard box in a alley somewhere, otherwise, they know who you are.

This is a point overlooked by many VPN users. Regardless whatever they claim regarding log retention.

 

[PracticalMac]

Because I value privacy. I recognize that many people are ok with what the government is doing, but after leak after leak of our information, my summer project to remove as many accounts as possible and protect my information as much as possible.

Easier to wash your body while wearing your cloths,
Changing cloths but not get naked,
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Where the hell are you getting your info from on voter fraud? It has been tirelessly investigated by both sides and has still come up empty.

Actually, there has been 3 confirmed cases of VF, the plaintiffs admitting to it and doing deliberately on their own free will.

All that voter fraud was for Trump.

 

[zaphon]

This is a point overlooked by many VPN users. Regardless whatever they claim regarding log retention.

Exactly, whatever they "claim" is the big issue. They can make claims until they're blue in the face, doesn't make them true, especially if they're not even a US company. An anonymous VPN can have value, but not if you open your browser which leaks information like crazy. Cookies are the devil, and will expose you within minutes if not seconds if you're on a VPN or not. And don't go saying "but Incognito mode in Chrome protects me" as that's a joke! You don't want to be tracked, don't get on the internet. Go back to your house off the grid, keeping your money in a butter box in the freezer, not sharing your social security number (assuming you even have one) with anyone, etc. Big brother is watching!!!

 

[dewski]

How do you figure. The law was repealed this week. Therefore all previous weekends the law was intact. Next weekend the law will not be intact and his statement is perfectly logical. Your's on the other hand, isn't.

I do not believe this law had gone into effect yet.

 

[supercoolmanchu]

How about staying/going back on target. Do you think this repeal is a good thing? Do you think ISPs should be able to sell your info?

Why do you think only ISPs shouldn't be able to sell your info? In pointing out this crime, you're ignoring most of the criminals. That's weird.

Lots of sites cookie your browser and report everything back. Obama's law did nothing about those. No objections. That's weird.

You want the FCC to apply rules selectively and unfairly? You are no friend of privacy. You are literally demanding government corruption and inequality.

The Obama FCC mechanism was a poor one, an exploit of their position, not a feature, not their legal function.

Do it right, do it legitimately thru Congress. Or else you're no better than what you rail against.

 

[zaphon]

I do not believe this law had gone into effect yet.

Correct, it was scheduled to go into effect near the end of 2017.

 

[blacktape242]

so trump wants to see the porn american's are watching?

 

[Jayson A]

April fools was a few days ago... this is kinda late don't you think?

 

[ibookg409]

so trump wants to see the porn american's are watching?

LOL. I said a while ago that this is probably why people are so upset. No one wants the world to know what they are into.

 

[bigjnyc]

Presidential strategy: Just undo everything the previous guy did.

 

[ibookg409]

Presidential strategy: Just undo everything the previous guy did.

That sounds really good to me.

 

[Ds6778]

I find it somewhat ironic that a lot of people complain about privacy, yet post everything little thing online, tag who they're with and where they are, what they're doing later and everything under the sun....Half of these social media sites pretty much ask you before you sign up if you're ok with them knowing every little thing you do...

 

[webbuzz]

I find it somewhat ironic that a lot of people complain about privacy, yet post everything little thing online, tag who they're with and where they are, what they're doing later and everything under the sun....Half of these social media sites pretty much ask you before you sign up if you're ok with them knowing every little thing you do...

Even more ironic are the ones that install apps like TrapCall to block unwanted/spam calls and allow the app access to their phone book.

 

[iReality85]

Obama just looked into people secretly. This is better and more open and honest about what's really going on. Unless you fall for the crap politicians say vs what they actually do.

The amusing thing is, I bet most of the people here voicing their disapproval of this regularly use Facebook or anything Google related like Youtube, Chrome, etc. Which are the most notorious anti-privacy, sell-your-information outlets around.

 

[AppleFan360]

I find it somewhat ironic that a lot of people complain about privacy, yet post everything little thing online, tag who they're with and where they are, what they're doing later and everything under the sun....Half of these social media sites pretty much ask you before you sign up if you're ok with them knowing every little thing you do...

Agree, very funny indeed. Put simply, it all comes down to one thing. If you want privacy, don't use the grid! Once a piece of information goes out there, you are never getting back, period. Honestly the government doesn't need to be involved. Everyone has a choice about privacy. Just use that choice for Christ sake if you are that paranoid about companies knowing what you had for breakfast!

 

[62tele]

Removed TPP, Created 300,00 jobs, reduced illegal immigration by 40%, is removing illegal aliens by the thousands daily, not to mention reducing the defecit by 12 billion and approving the pipes

What 300K jobs did HE create? I don't believe the rate of deportations is up significantly since tRUMP took office although it will probably do so. Then again who is going to roof houses, pick fruit and vegetables and do all the jobs "real" Americans won't do? You don't understand the deficit very well. There is no permanent decrease in the deficit. ("Considering that Trump hasn’t enacted any fiscal legislation, it’s a bit of a stretch for him to take credit for any changes in debt levels," Dan Mitchell, a libertarian economist and senior fellow at the Cato Institute, told us.
"Debt levels go up and down in the short run based on independent factors such as quarterly tax payments and predetermined expenditure patterns," he said.)
Of course, you believe because you want to believe it which is how con men work.
You conveniently forget the fact that Obama rescued the country from the more dire financial crisis since the Great Depression and he did it without much help from the Right.
I never expect much from Trump supporters but you have lowered the bar.

 

[AppleInLVX]

I want to believe you.

However, "absolute power...", and all that.

If the only thing a machine is capable of is destruction, I think it's inevitable that it will eventually destroy itself. It's only a question of how much damage happens along the way. People do have some say about that, regardless of how it looks. At base level, these fools are the employees. The people are the boss. The only real challenge is in getting a vast majority to agree on any damned thing. But I think that spotlight goes a long way.

 

[thebeans]

United States President Donald Trump today signed into law a bill that reverses Obama-era broadband privacy rules preventing Internet Service Providers from selling a subscriber's web browsing history and other personal information without permission.

The now-reversed law would have limited what ISPs like Comcast, Verizon, and AT&T could do with sensitive customer data like location, browsing history, and other personal information like Social Security numbers. Under the law, which would have been enacted at the end of 2017, ISPs were also required to strengthen protections against hackers and security breaches.

Going forward, Internet Service Providers will not need to get permission from customers to sell customer data like web browsing history, but following customer outcry and confusion over the repeal of the law, many ISPs have said customer data won't be sold.

Image via The Verge​

Comcast, for example, says it has "no plans" to sell individual web browsing history, while Verizon says it "does not sell the personal web browsing history" of its customers.

Internet providers argued that the rules were confusing to customers and discriminatory and unfair because they didn't apply to tech companies like Apple, Google, and Facebook.

Privacy advocates like the American Civil Liberties Union and the Electronic Frontier Foundation opposed the rollback of the law and have argued that privacy protections are desperately needed to keep consumers safe.

For end users, the repeal of the law effectively maintains the status quo because it was not enacted before being shuttered, but it's worth noting that the resolution contains language preventing the FCC from enabling similar privacy rules in the future.

The repeal is the first step the Trump administration plans to take towards deregulating broadband internet service providers. According to White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer, President Trump has "pledged to reverse" net neutrality rules passed in 2015.

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The Cheetos Fu**tard strikes again!

 

[samcraig]

Removed TPP, Created 300,00 jobs, reduced illegal immigration by 40%, is removing illegal aliens by the thousands daily, not to mention reducing the defecit by 12 billion and approving the pipes

He's not responsible for 300K jobs. He reduced illegal immigration by 40%? Please cite your source. Reduced the deficit? No he hasn't. We're still until Obama's budget - Trump has had no impact on the deficit or government spending to date.

He approved the pipeline. And even though not his "fault" - he led American's to believe it would be finished only with American Steel. That proved to be wrong.

Stop believing his tweets.

 

[spinedoc77]

While I'm fully against this decision, I do feel that part of the counter argument has a good point. If this law did not require Google, Facebook, etc to be subject to the same restrictions then it's very unfair. Of course the obvious solution would be to include those companies in the law, instead of just totally scrapping it. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Even more ironic are the ones that install apps like TrapCall to block unwanted/spam calls and allow the app access to their phone book.

Yep, I find this ironically amusing. Those companies like Hiya and Truecaller take all your contact info, and who knows what else. They promise they don't sell the data, but there are no safeguards to ensure that and you basically have to trust them. You know it's one thing when it's MY information, but when I'm giving up all my contacts info, phone numbers, calling history, email, home/work address, and whatever else I have saved in their contact info, it's a different story. I know I would be pissed if one of my contacts gave away my info like that.

 

[mozumder]

See, right there tells me which news sources you are watching. The popular vote is a joke and the reason why we have the electoral college. Take a close look at the map. Most of her votes that put her over the top were in New York and California. Those two states do NOT represent the rest of the country. Just because she won the popular vote doesn't mean a thing.

New York and California represent the country. The rural areas do not represent America.

Land doesn't vote, people do, and New York and California have the most people.

Additionally, New York and California represent that US economic interests. 66% of the US GDP by county voted for Clinton, which represents an even higher portion of the US than the popular vote.

Conservatives will have to accept that they are an unnecessary and irrelevant minority in this country, both population-wise and economically.
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That sounds really good to me.

Great. So more regulation for the next liberal President. Sounds good to me!

 

[ibookg409]

New York and California represent the country. The rural areas do not represent America.

Land doesn't vote, people do, and New York and California have the most people.

Additionally, New York and California represent that US economic interests. 66% of the US GDP by county voted for Clinton, which represents an even higher portion of the US than the popular vote.

Conservatives will have to accept that they are an unnecessary and irrelevant minority in this country, both population-wise and economically.
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Great. So more regulation for the next liberal President. Sounds good to me!

Glad we agree.

 

[scwinsett]

This comment thread is embarrassing. I remember when Apple products were actually kind of a niche for the smart