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R.I.P. iPhone

dogslobber said:
This isn't about me. It's about what is right for the smartphone industry. Apple have just committed a faux pas which they might not recover from. Steve would never have signed off on this.
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Might not recover from... Thats actually laughable. Not only is Apple leading the industry in innovation, the company has a larger cash stockpile than the US government, or any government for that matter. Highly doubt removing a technology thats OVER 100 years old from their devices will ultimately lead to their demise.
 
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burgman said:
Very different tech world now, those not living in the past recognize this. Carrying several headphones is ok but swapping an adapter is too much, you poor dear.
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I don't carry several headphones. That's the point. I leave a pair at my office, at my studio, in my bedroom, etc., so I'm not constantly carrying headphones around from location to location.

I also own a good set of bluetooth headphones, but I rarely use them. They still can't compete with even medium range wired headphones. I do use bluetooth for my car and a small room speaker, so I'm not a luddite. I just need the options.
 
That adapter isn't free, in the UK they've hiked the 128gb price up by £30.

£30 adapter!!!
 
Mildredop said:
What was bad about those? They were unreliable, slow to read/write and their capacity was low compared to newer technologies (namely email and SD cards etc.).

But I still can't see the negatives about wired headphones other than... a wire. They never drop out, never need pairing, never need recharging.

I rarely plug headphones into my phone, so wireless aren't really a good option for someone like me.
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Your statement as an odd logic. You rarely plug in headphones yet wireless isn't a good option?
 
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Mildredop said:
What was bad about those? They were unreliable, slow to read/write and their capacity was low compared to newer technologies (namely email and SD cards etc.).

But I still can't see the negatives about wired headphones other than... a wire. They never drop out, never need pairing, never need recharging.

I rarely plug headphones into my phone, so wireless aren't really a good option for someone like me.
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Each to their own, obviously. But I really, really dislike wires... That said - despite my SOs protestations, I'm stoically sticking to my getting-long-in-the-tooth car, which still gets me quite safely and comfortably from point A to B.... That said, if there was one thing driving me [har-har] to looking around at newer models, it was the bluetooth/usb/CarPlay options that my current car doesn't have. I'm using one of those iTrip cables that plays my music/podcasts through the radio - and given that I drive between towns, the reception/sound is not great, as radio station interference plays up...

The thought of being able to pop a single Airpod into my ear, and wirelessly listen to my music/podcasts, without wires dangling wherever, fills me with a certain level of glee. Sad, I know. But gleeful sad.
 
Jayson A said:
How hard is it to see that analog needs to go! It is the last analog thing we're holding on to. It's time for digital to take over. Plus, digital audio is going to produce better quality sound than the headphone jack ever will.
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Um how do you figure? What exactly do you mean by "digital audio"? Are my 24-bit flac files not already "digital audio"? Do you think the provided adapter is going to sound any better than the existing internal DACs in phones? Do you think the cheap DACs that third parties are going to start building into headphones and cords is going to be better than what is in the phone? Or are you going to come up with some fancy brain connector that will bypass headphones altogether and let my brain process said "digital audio"?

Yes, if you spend money on some good headphones with a good lightning implementation and a good DAC, you will get better sound quality. But that is not what apple is providing here. It is no more digital or less analog than the current setup. You must do the digital to analog conversion somewhere, whether it be in the phone, in a dongle, in a cord, or in a headphone. Humans cannot process digital "sound".

This doesn't really allow for anything you couldn't already do with the camera connector kit and an external dac and amp. It only takes away the option to plug in directly. It does give Apple marginally more room in their phone for something else like battery or stereo speakers.
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KillaMac said:
Rather have digital than Analog audio any day! Good bye to the jack. Glad.
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Please explain what you mean. I don't think audio works the way you think it does.
 
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burgman said:
Your statement as an odd logic. You rarely plug in headphones yet wireless isn't a good option?
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I always have headphones in my bag but rarely use them with my phone (maybe once every couple of weeks on the train or something) although I use them daily at work.

Wireless headphones would be no good - I'd forget to charge them or what charge they had wouldn't last the hour-long train journey whilst watching iPlayer or whatever. It'd soon get very annoying.

I like pulling out my headphones and them working without hassle.
 
Cassady said:
Each to their own, obviously. But I really, really dislike wires... That said - despite my SOs protestations, I'm stoically sticking to my getting-long-in-the-tooth car, which still gets me quite safely and comfortably from point A to B.... That said, if there was one thing driving me [har-har] to looking around at newer models, it was the bluetooth/usb/CarPlay options that my current car doesn't have. I'm using one of those iTrip cables that plays my music/podcasts through the radio - and given that I drive between towns, the reception/sound is not great, as radio station interference plays up...

The thought of being able to pop a single Airpod into my ear, and wirelessly listen to my music/podcasts, without wires dangling wherever, fills me with a certain level of glee. Sad, I know. But gleeful sad.
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Sounds like the AirPod rather than the iPhone 7 is what you're liking? The AirPods surely work with any iPhone with Bluetooth?

But what I still just don't understand is why Apple couldn't include both technologies in the iPhone 7 - the 3.5mm jack and lightning audio.
 
Mildredop said:
Sounds like the AirPod rather than the iPhone 7 is what you're liking? The AirPods surely work with any iPhone with Bluetooth?

But what I still just don't understand is why Apple couldn't include both technologies in the iPhone 7 - the 3.5mm jack and lightning audio.
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I'm not so sure the airpods will work on others... But time will tell.

They made it quite clear on why the 3.5mm needed to go. Space is a premium. New Haptic engine, redesigned home button, and whatever the iPhone 8 holds in store for us. They have very good reasons for removing it, that will most likely only become apparent to us years from now, that much I am sure of.
 
Cassady said:
They made it quite clear on why the 3.5mm needed to go. Space is a premium. New Haptic engine, redesigned home button, and whatever the iPhone 8 holds in store for us. They have very good reasons for removing it, that will most likely only become apparent to us years from now, that much I am sure of.
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Did they actually say this? I didn't see the event.

From what I've read, the only reason they gave was "courage".
 
Cassady said:
"Courage", followed by 3 points explaining in more detail. Sigh. The clickbaits will stick to "courage" alone, no doubt...
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I'm not sure what you mean by clickbaits. Could you provide a link to the three points? I'm genuinely interested in the reasons for removing the jack (other than Apple's profits, of course, but I doubt that's one of the three points).
 
Jayson A said:
How hard is it to see that analog needs to go! It is the last analog thing we're holding on to. It's time for digital to take over. Plus, digital audio is going to produce better quality sound than the headphone jack ever will.
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Wonderful. Give me 2 years worth of third-party compatible Lightning headphones in the market before making this decision. It's like announcing a network of skyroads for flying cars before anyone has launched a flying car.

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Mildredop said:
I'm not sure what you mean by clickbaits. Could you provide a link to the three points? I'm genuinely interested in the reasons for removing the jack (other than Apple's profits, of course, but I doubt that's one of the three points).
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Phil Schiller blamed the consumer for the removal of the headphone jack. He said "you keep asking us to make our phones thinner and lighter with better features and better battery life so we can't hold on to this 100 year old technology anymore as we need the space for these other things."

Which is like your mom telling you if you eat too much meatloaf you won't have room for dessert when you a) don't like meatloaf and b) don't want dessert.

BJ
 
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boltjames said:
Wonderful. Give me 2 years worth of third-party compatible Lightning headphones in the market before making this decision. It's like announcing a network of skyroads for flying cars before anyone has launched a flying car.

BJ
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Or, you could just use the adapter they're including in the meantime. There are already some very good lightning headphones on the market. I own and love the Audeze Sine.
 
Mildredop said:
I'm not sure what you mean by clickbaits. Could you provide a link to the three points? I'm genuinely interested in the reasons for removing the jack (other than Apple's profits, of course, but I doubt that's one of the three points).
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Endgadget already has a post up slamming apples reasons as being based (only) on courage. No doubt there are already countless others.

Don't have a link, simply paid attention to what was said when watching the keynote. Schiller broke it down into 3 parts (pretty sure he actually said "3 reasons"), but prefixed it with the 'courage' part first.

Watch the keynote, skip ahead to #8(?), he talked through 10 key points about the new iPhone. He does it just before/after the Airpods are introduced.
 
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boltjames said:
Phil Schiller blamed the consumer for the removal of the headphone jack. He said "you keep asking us to make our phones thinner and lighter with better features and better battery life so we can't hold on to this 100 year old technology anymore as we need the space for these other things."

Which is like your mom telling you if you eat too much meatloaf you won't have room for dessert when you a) don't like meatloaf and b) don't want dessert.

BJ
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Fair enough. Although I don't think I've ever heard anyone say the iPhone is too thick and heavy.
 
Cassady said:
Endgadget already has a post up slamming apples reasons as being based (only) on courage. No doubt there are already countless others.

Don't have a link, simply paid attention to what was said when watching the keynote. Schiller broke it down into 3 parts (pretty sure he actually said "3 reasons"), but prefixed it with the 'courage' part first.

Watch the keynote, skip ahead to #8(?), he talked through 10 key points about the new iPhone. He does it just before/after the Airpods are introduced.
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Honestly, not sure how to watch it. When I tried earlier it said my browser wasn't supported. I'll take your word for it.
 
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