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Got the iPhone 15 Pro Max this year. Won't be upgrading again until Touch ID is back. Work in a place where everyone wears masks at work and Face ID is worse than useless since I have to wait for it to not recognize my face and give me the option to type in my pin code.

Hope Apple isn't giving up on Touch ID, there are still some good use cases for it.
 
Unless you have your phone at the angle where Face ID "works" - no, it doesn't. I want to be able to unlock my iPhone from a distance, at any angle, like when I'm on laying on the couch or in bed and want to check something without having to position the phone in a way where Face ID can scan my face.
You cannot have it all your own way.Didn’t your parents teach you that?
 
Got the iPhone 15 Pro Max this year. Won't be upgrading again until Touch ID is back. Work in a place where everyone wears masks at work and Face ID is worse than useless since I have to wait for it to not recognize my face and give me the option to type in my pin code.

Hope Apple isn't giving up on Touch ID, there are still some good use cases for it.
Face ID works with a mask now so that excuse is debunked.
 
We don't need Touch ID. For a while I did want under display touch ID in addition to Face ID but Face ID works so much better. There is no need to use anything else.

Face ID "just works" because I don't need to think about it. Unless we got full display sensor for Touch ID then you'd need to make sure you placed your finger in the exact spot for recognition.

I still find FaceID a largely worse experience than I ever did with TouchID. FaceID doesn't "just work" for me as I end up having to type my passcode in way way more often than I ever did with TouchID. It's OK if you prefer it, but to suggest that we don't need TouchID because YOU don't want it is absurd.
 
My mom, whose fingerprints are somehow nonexistent (seriously, those fingertips are completely flat!), couldn't make Touch ID work if her life depended on it and she's a senior too.

With Face ID on the other hand everything just works.
Apart from setting up Face ID I can't see a downside to it for older people. If it doesn't work it just falls back to a regular passcode.
My mom has the same issue, which is why FaceID is a superior experience for her. For me it's the opposite. TouchID was the superior experience and FaceID has felt like a downgrade since I upgraded my 6S to a 12Pro in 2020. I don't plan on upgrading for a couple years yet, but if Apple released one with TouchID in some form next year I would immediately upgrade just for that.
 
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Yup, appreciate the input, and that is helpful in that regard, but my bigger problem is with the "intrusiveness" of FaceID. TouchID requires intent, FaceID requires a simple glance. Simply not a fan. Not worth hopping to another phone OS or anything, but would definitely appreciate the option for both.
I understand your concern and can understand arguments for having both FaceID and TouchID. I’m not opposed to having both although I personally prefer FaceID. I’d be surprised if Apple brought TouchID back to the product line, but I guess you never know. I’m sure the EU could find a way to get them to bring it back. ;)
 
I still find FaceID a largely worse experience than I ever did with TouchID. FaceID doesn't "just work" for me as I end up having to type my passcode in way way more often than I ever did with TouchID. It's OK if you prefer it, but to suggest that we don't need TouchID because YOU don't want it is absurd.
It’s the other way round for me.Touch ID would never work for me and still doesn’t on the keyboard of my MacBook and iMac.Fortunately,I can use my Apple Watch to unlock with them.Face ID works every time for me, far superior.
 
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Fingerprint reader is completely useless for anyone who uses their hands for a living. Ask any blue collar worker.
Work with my hands for a living, but even with Face ID if I have crap on my hands, or outside of work if I have been elbow deep in a old car or a deer I’d rather not get that all over my phone anyways



For the price of these chinese built “designed in California” phones, they really should have both options
 
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Touch ID is for folks with dainty little lady hands that never do anything productive.
Touch ID is completely worthless for anyone who builds things or uses their hands for a living. I’ll gladly look at the phone at inconvenient angles over a finger print reader that won’t read my fingers AT ALL.
Fingerprint reader is completely useless for anyone who uses their hands for a living. Ask any blue collar worker.
The concept of having both seem completely alien to you when making your arguments. No one is saying FaceID should go away. We just want TouchID back as well. Since neither tech is perfect, having both would improve the end-user experience.
 
I work with a mask and a hood and sometimes glasses. Are you so far removed from manual labor that protective gear is a foreign concept? 😂

I'm not saying get rid of FaceID. Just add touch ID back for those of us that could really use it.
If you really do manual labor, you’d know Touch ID doesn’t work on calloused fingers..
 
Touch ID sucks.

I still have it on my iPad, and everytime I use it I'm reminded of how slow it is. And then if you have any moisture on your hands it doesn't work at all. Ugh. I really don't understand people who think it's superior to FaceID. THey probably haven't used it in a while and don't remember how bad it actually is.
 
Why don't they just do fingerprint id on the power button?!? I don't get it, this works phenomenally well on my Fold 5.

PS: Why all the fighting between touch ID and face ID, why not just have both?
 
Touch ID sucks.

I still have it on my iPad, and everytime I use it I'm reminded of how slow it is. And then if you have any moisture on your hands it doesn't work at all. Ugh. I really don't understand people who think it's superior to FaceID. THey probably haven't used it in a while and don't remember how bad it actually is.

Got it on my iPad I use for work, plenty quick for critical use
 
My mom has the same issue, which is why FaceID is a superior experience for her. For me it's the opposite. TouchID was the superior experience and FaceID has felt like a downgrade since I upgraded my 6S to a 12Pro in 2020. I don't plan on upgrading for a couple years yet, but if Apple released one with TouchID in some form next year I would immediately upgrade just for that.
I can get on board with that.
Face ID isn't always ideal, but I have an Apple Watch unlocking active as a fallback - if you pair both, the unlocking can actually feel seamless. Given you already have an Apple Watch.
 
Touch ID is PITA for me, for some reason if you registered a few different fingers it never worked on the fingers that you used the least to unlock. I think overtime it loses the accuracy if you don’t use it daily. I like my iPad mini but wish it had FaceID instead.
 
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The concept of having both seem completely alien to you when making your arguments. No one is saying FaceID should go away. We just want TouchID back as well. Since neither tech is perfect, having both would improve the end-user experience.
I didn’t say anything about not including one or both. I was just making a point that for many of us, Touch ID isn’t a feasible option. I fully support giving people options.
 
I was hoping they would implement TouchID alongside FaceID at some point. TouchID was always faster (for me), especially when using Apple Pay. Now you have to position the phone at the right distance from the kiosk as well as put your face in the right position. And there are plenty of times when it would be nice to not have to pick up the phone or reposition myself in order to unlock it.
 


Apple's iPhone 16 lineup will not see the return of Touch ID fingerprint authentication technology, a new report claims.

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The information comes from an integrated circuit expert on Weibo with a track record for sharing information about Apple's plans. In a new post, they explained that most of the equipment originally used to manufacture the chips required for the iPhone's version of Touch ID has apparently now been permanently shut down, with the only remaining units used for the third-generation iPhone SE, suggesting that Apple has no plans to resurrect Touch ID as a method to authenticate on the iPhone in the immediate future. It is also worth pointing out that there are no noteworthy rumors about the return of Apple's fingerprint scanning technology for the iPhone 16 lineup that are still dependable.

Reports suggest that the fourth-generation iPhone SE will feature Face ID, replacing the last iPhone model that still features Touch ID. Even so, rumors persist that Apple is working on under-display fingerprint technology that could debut around 2026 – the same time frame that the company is ostensibly planning to move Face ID under the display of the device.

The Weibo source was first to report that the iPhone 14 would retain the A15 Bionic chip, with the A16 being exclusive to the ‌iPhone 14‌ Pro models. They recently said that the chip designed for the upcoming iPhone 16 and ‌iPhone 16‌ Plus will be made using a distinct manufacturing process, differing fundamentally from the A17 Pro chip in the iPhone 15 Pro, to reduce production costs.

Article Link: Report: Touch ID Will Not Return on iPhone 16
What I would like is fingerprint login capacity for my iMac. I asked apple if I could get a fingerprint scanner to login as I can with my MacBook Pro and they said I couldn't. Apparently it requires internal hardware to identify my fingerprint. I would certainly love this. Face recognition on an iPhone is great as you are always looking at the thing. I suppose that would work on the iMac as well with the front facing camera. But...something besides having to type it in all the time.

--Kenoli
 
Also, how about a 27 inch iMac with apple chips in it. I primary do graphic arts stuff and really don't want to try to work with a 20 inch iMac. What happened to the 27 inch iMac. Why? It was one of Apple's best selling computers.
 
I can get on board with that.
Face ID isn't always ideal, but I have an Apple Watch unlocking active as a fallback - if you pair both, the unlocking can actually feel seamless. Given you already have an Apple Watch.
I have that enabled and it is better for sure, but still not as good as my TouchID experience was but I then also find it will unlock the phone sometimes when I don't want it unlocked because of the watch. It's probably easier to summarize the issues I have with FaceID.

1. UI complexity - This is more the loss of the home button than just FaceID, but the fact that swiping up from the bottom replaces the home button there was the loss of 1 unique method of interacting with the phone. Apple used to have UI guidelines that would state to not try to use multiple functions with the same direction of a gesture, but because the home button took over the bottom up swipe, notification and control center are both from the top (granted it is clearly separated from right side for control center vs he rest of the top for Notifications, so this isn't too terrible, but I consider it a small step backwards in UI simplicity.

2. It's slower - I know, I know. Marketing tries to tell you it's faster, but TouchID could literally be unlocked before my eyes even see the screen. It may have been slower in actuation, but the ability to trigger the authentication before you even see the screen to start using it makes the actual realistically usable speed slower on FaceID. I used to hit TouchID as I pulled it from my pocket and the first thing I saw when I looked at it was the Home screen ready to go. Can't get faster than that. FaceID needs my undivided attention to begin the process, even if only for a moment.

3. Authentication failures - This is where peoples experiences really come into play so I can't speak for others here, but in my experience it fails far far more often for me than TouchID ever did. With TouchID I maybe had to type my passcode once a week or less, With FaceID, I'm having to enter it at least every other day if not multiple times in a day sometimes for one reason or another.

4. Lack of Home Button to wake screen - This is tangentially related, but I never liked having the screen wake on a raise or a tap. I wanted to press the Home button to wake the screen. This ties into #3 a fair bit because now just touching the screen can wake it, I find my self accidentally opening the camera or turning on the flashlight far more often because just grabbing my phone makes the screen start paying attention to my touch inputs and in many cases... trying to authenticate FaceID and failing repeatedly because I'm not trying to interact with my phone, and this then leads to having to type in my passcode the next time I want to use it because of too many failed authentications. Now, I know the lock button can be used to wake the screen works, but home button was just easier to use that way for me, so even having to use the lock button only still makes the usage just a little more uncomfortable. I do have raise to wake disabled which helps avoid the nuisance screen wakes some.

5. Swiping confusion in the OS - I'm not really sure how to quantify this, but there have been times where I'm just trying to unlock my phone and get to the home screen and it literally takes swiping up several times to get it to register. I don't really understand what the situation is that causes it, but I think it might be getting confused and thinking I swiped right first because my swipe wasn't perfectly vertical and the software locking onto that action instead of the unlock swipe I really want. But this kind of ties in a bit to #1 because the loss of one input method and subsequent merging of the remaining options makes each more complicated to use.

Those are the main things for me at least. None of them are absolutely terrible, but each just contributes a little but to a worse experience for me. I would happily take the return of the chin if it meant a home button with TouchID could return. But in fairness, the ease of use of the OS even on TouchID phones got more complex and annoying after FaceID was introduced too because of the multiple ways of doing things.

Side note, I'm also in the camp that wants 3D Touch back and the headphone jack back too, but we all know those will never happen. Aside from Battery life and camera quality, iPhone 6S was peak iPhone. (5S design was my favorite though). Anyways, sorry for the long post, but this is my opinion on why TouchID was better. Also, the TouchID security was good enough for the purpose it serves, whether FaceID is technically better or not doesn't matter to me at all.
 
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Face ID forces me to act in the way the device wants, not in the way I want or find convenient or comfortable.
excellent point and well summarized imo...
FaceID is great, so is TouchID. Why limit things?
IMPO, having both options is a benefit. That way everyone is a winner. Even Apple (flexibility).
benefit to whom? customers? not so sure the tech companies are so driven by customer benefit anymore, more so by company benefit imo
Personally I just prefer Touch ID to having the phone unlock whenever I look at it. I want to choose to when to unlock, by physically using my finger.
bingo for me too
Don't forget about having to remove sunglasses with Face ID, which is a PITA. If you can fix this by turning off attention awareness, then it's not as secure as Touch ID.
helmets with face id, gloves with touch id, on and on, each have their limitations, but see Octavius8 post
Touch ID is for folks with dainty little lady hands that never do anything productive.
lol =P someone is "touchy" about the subject (couldn't resist =)
am I the only one who think Touch ID and Home Button is better functionality wise than FaceID?
no...

many great points made already... and both have their uses and limitations of course, but for me...

as for quickest... wife and i have tested by racing to unlock to homescreen with the phones laying flat on a table and... touch id is quicker every time, one press and your in, instead of pick up, tap (without raise to wake active), then swipe... sheesh, who has time to wait that extra second =P

as for convenience and security... touch id imo is much more flexible and secure... can unlock without even picking up the phone, with it flat on a table, at odd angles, quick and easy with one touch instead of pick up, tap, swipe... as for security, interestingly, at a café recently when a young girl wanted to use mom's phone, mom kept refusing... the kid grabs the phone and places it in front of mom's face for a split second then runs off lol... not so easy with touch id...
 
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