Samsung Again Teases Foldable Smartphone Ahead of February 20 Event

[9081094]

Wait for Mobile World Congress 2019 this spring to see where Apple is heading over 3-5 years.
Apple has lost the phone race imho. All midrange android phones are offering the capabilities of the iPhone XS while costing a fraction of the price. The technology gap is even widening further this spring.

In the meantime Timmy is blaming the economics for poor iPhone sales.

Unless iOS 13 will be a big leap going forward and Apple services will offer an advantage over the competition, I won’t suspect Apple to be a smartphone leader anymore.

 

[sparky08]

This is the next big thing in smartphones!

Can't wait for 5 more years until Apple invents it.

 

[farewelwilliams]

Are normal iPhones/iPads that aren’t perfectly flat (camera bump) not useful?

i meant the screen.

if the screen has a small bend due to the folding technology, the viewing experience is compromised. not worth the folding tech. xiaomi’s folding prototype device has this flaw.

 

[fyun89]

More than foldable displays, I'd like to see two seamless but separate microLED displays similar to the ones demoed at CES…

…but that have a hinge connecting them on the other side. This way, you can have both displays covered in durable glass and perfectly straight:

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I was thinking the same. This would look a lot cleaner with much less potential damage.
Matter of fact, the demo seemed to be two screens with seamless ends that connect when unfolded, but unlike the image you shared, it folds inward.

 

[Abazigal]

So Samsung will have a foldable phone before Apple has a charging mat. Lol. Gotta love the faithful that have so much blind loyalty to a company that develops nothing to forward the industry as a whole. Samsung has brought OLED mainstream, phablets mainstream, influenced Android more than any other OEM, and now they'll push the industry towards making foldable displays the new standard for flagship phones. If every company was like Apple, where profits alone dictate direction of new products, we'd still all be holding a 3.5 inch lcd device. Pathetic.

So you don’t think Samsung introduced all those aforementioned features because there was money to be made (in the form of more smartphones sold)?

 

[Shanghaichica]

But when you look at who did it better, its apple.

Also you didn't even have a counter argument relative to anything I mentioned. All you did was list products that were likely in design/production at similar times for both companies .

Apple Watch for example holds over 50% of the market in smartwatches entirely. Samsung holds barely 10%. Which to me is amazing because an iPhone user can use a Samsung watch with an iPhone, but you can't the other way around. So even iPhone users who are not entirely sold on the ecosystem STILL choose an Apple Watch over a Samsung Gear.

Samsung's earbuds also have a much lower rating, with their first pair (since you care so much about being first) having less than 2 hours of playback time. So again, not doing it better. Just doing it first.

I don’t think it’s fair to say Apple does it better on everything. Samsung do bigger displays better than Apple. I still say the s pen is better than the pencil because it does a lot more. Even wireless charging Samsung do better because it’s faster. Their new phone is even going to be able to do reverse wireless charging.

Yes I think the Apple Watch is better than the Samsung watch but remember how people were so excited about LTE on Apple Watch 3. That’s a feature Samsung have had on their watches since 2014.

Maybe Apple do implement things better but it’s a lot easier to sit back and watch what everyone else is doing and then copy and make it better than to come up with ideas yourself.
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if it's not a single quick slide or gesture to unfold into a perfectly flat iPad, it's not useful.

It’s not useful until Apple says it is.
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kind of amazing how many people trash new tech that hasn't been released or seen yet

It’s amazing how people forget how new tech works. It doesn’t come out the door as a polished product. There are flaws which over time get refined and ironed out but if it wasn’t for the pioneers we would never see the polished product.
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I think people are a bit overly optimistic about this device's screen size when it's unfolded. I guess you could count it as tablet sized, but it would be a VERY small tablet.
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The price tag on this phone is going to be significantly higher than any iPhone.

But the price would be justified because of the cutting edge tech.

I have the Xs max but there is nothing to justify that price tag.
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I remember all these kind of comments about Samsung Note when it came out

Nobody wants it until Apple tell us we do

 

[RecentlyConverted]

i meant the screen.

if the screen has a small bend due to the folding technology, the viewing experience is compromised. not worth the folding tech. xiaomi’s folding prototype device has this flaw.

Sorry, was thinking you meant the device laying flat.

Obviously it will depend on it’s elasticity. I am sure it will be great, but for how long is the question. Will it lose elasticity and get a bump at the fold over time?

 

[adamski23]

Are you using a Galaxy S2? Because from what you speak about Samsung's software it seems like... Ever used a newer device? You know all the "new" features introduced in the latest Android updates are taken from the "Awful Samsung Software"? That counts as user experience.

I never said awful. My last foray into a Samsung phone was the s8 and previous to that had a note 5, s6 and s7 if you had to know; plus I’m still rocking the original galaxy gear fit (favourite wearable btw - tizen is great on a watch). My comment is deduced from my own personal recent experience and not simply a blind hater spewing bs.

I was merely implying that the experience is not on par as what most are “used to” on their Iphones.

 

[Sevanw]

So you don’t think Samsung introduced all those aforementioned features because there was money to be made (in the form of more smartphones sold)?

Where did I say anythingany like that? Smh. Honestly, it seems like reading comprehension fail is a standard amongst the diehards. Once again, let's just let it sink in, Samsung is going to have a friggin' foldable phone before Apple has a charging mat. Absolutely embarrassing for Apple. What a complete joke.

 

[Abazigal]

Where did I say anythingany like that? Smh. Honestly, it seems like reading comprehension fail is a standard amongst the diehards. Once again, let's just let it sink in, Samsung is going to have a friggin' foldable phone before Apple has a charging mat. Absolutely embarrassing for Apple. What a complete joke.

You said, and I quote:

Samsung has brought OLED mainstream, phablets mainstream, influenced Android more than any other OEM, and now they'll push the industry towards making foldable displays the new standard for flagship phones. If every company was like Apple, where profits alone dictate direction of new products, we'd still all be holding a 3.5 inch lcd device. Pathetic.

Implying that Samsung introduced OLED screens and other hardware features for reasons that had nothing to do with profits. When the likely reason is that they may as well because their company was already manufacturing it anyways.

The two aren’t even related. I too can list a multitude of things that Apple is doing that Samsung isn’t or can’t, like their own thriving software ecosystem or Airpods. Each of them have their own areas of strength that they choose to focus on (and areas of weaknesses that they opt not to dabble in), and that’s perfectly fine.

There is something about the people in this forum who like to pounce randomly on something that a competitor is doing which Apple isn’t, and hold it up as proof that Apple is somehow falling behind, even if that product goes on to go nowhere, or not really be that important in the bigger picture.

 

[The Game 161]

Wait for Mobile World Congress 2019 this spring to see where Apple is heading over 3-5 years.
Apple has lost the phone race imho. All midrange android phones are offering the capabilities of the iPhone XS while costing a fraction of the price. The technology gap is even widening further this spring.

In the meantime Timmy is blaming the economics for poor iPhone sales.

Unless iOS 13 will be a big leap going forward and Apple services will offer an advantage over the competition, I won’t suspect Apple to be a smartphone leader anymore.

Samsung flagships this year could really kill things for other companies in terms of phone wise/features and having the complete package.

Apple needs to step up big time hopefully IOS 13 is great and so are the new phones.

 

[farewelwilliams]

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It’s not useful until Apple says it is.

No.
It's not useful until customers say it is. No one gave a crap about digital touch (accessed by the side button) on the Apple Watch, so Apple changed the functionality on the side button of the Apple Watch to switch apps.

No one used Ping. No one used Apple's iOS Cards app. Not many paid for MobileMe.

 

[KopThat]

I can't wait for Apple's slightly better camera and faster processor in the iPhone XI
that will show Samsung and their bendy thingy.

We could even get new Animoji's too

 

[Sevanw]

You said, and I quote:



Implying that Samsung introduced OLED screens and other hardware features for reasons that had nothing to do with profits. When the likely reason is that they may as well because their company was already manufacturing it anyways.

The two aren’t even related. I too can list a multitude of things that Apple is doing that Samsung isn’t or can’t, like their own thriving software ecosystem or Airpods. Each of them have their own areas of strength that they choose to focus on (and areas of weaknesses that they opt not to dabble in), and that’s perfectly fine.

There is something about the people in this forum who like to pounce randomly on something that a competitor is doing which Apple isn’t, and hold it up as proof that Apple is somehow falling behind, even if that product goes on to go nowhere, or not really be that important in the bigger picture.

Wow, reading comprehension fail even after quoting me. Dang, that's a new one. Again, like many of the faithful on this forum, specifically the alternatives section, you got triggered at my statement, and missed the point I was making. So let me help you understand. It's sad that I even have to spell it out like this.

1) I made the point of Samsung innovating to move the industry forward, not just itself. That includes the parts in your iPhone. Samsung innovation made it possible for you not to pay even more for your iPhone. Samsung innovation made it possible that even midrange priced phones can have OLED displays.

2) Samsung bringing new innovations for the whole industry means, Samsung not sitting idly by waiting for other OEMs (used very loosely) to do something first, only so they (and their followers) can years later grab on to the coat-tails, and say "hey, we're not first, but we did it better." But in reality, the only reason an OEM waits years to adopt new tech, is to wait for costs to come down so they could get those industry leading greedy profit margins. Pathetic.

So again, you're not maximizing profits by breaking new ground. You're spending tonnes in R&D to be industry leaders. This is not Apple. Nowhere in my original post did I say, Samsung doesn't want to make a profit. Smh. So take another read of my original post and take note of the key word, "only."

 

[ROGmaster]

I am not sure why you would assume that. They can get foldable screens from a number of their partners (LG, Samsung) and I would bet the biggest tech company in the world is at least experimenting with the concept.

Bingo you guessed it. They could(if it's even possible right now) get the screens from Samsung or LG and this is why they are most likely a few years behind.

Currently, there just isn't a ton of value there. Once the tech matures, and if there is a market, Apple will make their move.

I got that but what I'm saying is that Apple can't make any move now even if they wanted to.
Apple's is not in Samsung's position, they have to wait.

No reason to rush into it just to be first. Huawei and Samsung can have at it for the time being.

Yeah but Apple is in no position to rush anything anyway and Huawei probably just stole the tech from Samsung and that's why they can launch or announce something now.

 

[Abazigal]

Wow, reading comprehension fail even after quoting me. Dang, that's a new one. Again, like many of the faithful on this forum, specifically the alternatives section, you got triggered at my statement, and missed the point I was making. So let me help you understand. It's sad that I even have to spell it out like this.

1) I made the point of Samsung innovating to move the industry forward, not just itself. That includes the parts in your iPhone. Samsung innovation made it possible for you not to pay even more for your iPhone. Samsung innovation made it possible that even midrange priced phones can have OLED displays.

2) Samsung bringing new innovations for the whole industry means, Samsung not sitting idly by waiting for other OEMs (used very loosely) to do something first, only so they (and their followers) can years later grab on to the coat-tails, and say "hey, we're not first, but we did it better." But in reality, the only reason an OEM waits years to adopt new tech, is to wait for costs to come down so they could get those industry leading greedy profit margins. Pathetic.

So again, you're not maximizing profits by breaking new ground. You're spending tonnes in R&D to be industry leaders. This is not Apple. Nowhere in my original post did I say, Samsung doesn't want to make a profit. Smh. So take another read of my original post and take note of the key word, "only."

So you are telling me that a company like Samsung, who manufactures and thus profits from the sale of hardware components, would have an incentive to push for the proliferation of said hardware?

Shocker.

When you look at the manner in which Samsung goes about designing their products (basically throw everything against the wall and see what sticks), it’s clear that they will never be able to overtake Apple for one simple and inescapable reason.

Apple is driven to make the best products possible, based on their own definition of what that entails. Even I don’t always agree with every design decision Apple makes, but I look at their products and I see that dedication to that design purity which Apple is renowned for. Whether it is removing the headphone jack or pushing for usb c in laptops, Apple goes ahead with what they believe is right and doesn’t look back or regret it, even if it turns out to be the wrong choice later on.

And I respect them for it, even if I don’t agree with it.

In contrast, Samsung is apparently driven by only one goal - to beat Apple. This means that Samsung can never be free to focus on what truly matters to them, because they are so busy chasing after Apple’s shadow.

At the end of the day, Samsung will lose, for the simple reason that they still don’t know, in their hearts, what it is they want to stand for.

And Apple does.

 

[DNichter]

Bingo you guessed it. They could(if it's even possible right now) get the screens from Samsung or LG and this is why they are most likely a few years behind.



I got that but what I'm saying is that Apple can't make any move now even if they wanted to.
Apple's is not in Samsung's position, they have to wait.


Yeah but Apple is in no position to rush anything anyway and Huawei probably just stole the tech from Samsung and that's why they can launch or announce something now.

I think it’s pretry naive to think that Apple hasn’t been already toying with bendable screen concepts like this for some time now. Apple has a ton of pull, it wouldn’t take much at all to get prototype screens into their labs.

 

[ROGmaster]

Whether it is removing the headphone jack or pushing for usb c in laptops, Apple goes ahead with what they believe is right and doesn’t look back or regret it, even if it turns out to be the wrong choice later on.

That Apple kool aid must be out of this world.

Actually that's proof Apple will do anything to maximize it's profits no matter what their users want or need.
Yeah for the most part Samsung is not exactly like that and that's a plus from a consumer perspective.
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I think it’s pretry naive to think that Apple hasn’t been already toying with bendable screen concepts like this for some time now. Apple has a ton of pull, it wouldn’t take much at all to get prototype screens into their labs.

Yeah man at most Apple is just playing around with concepts and figuring things out etc.
Samsung is ready to launch a consumer product. Big difference and you don't want to admit it.

Also taking in consideration how new this tech is, by the time Apple gets a prototype in their labs Samsung has already made a few major/essential improvements. That's how things work when a company has the ability to design, engineer and manufacture a piece of technology, they are just continuously moving foreword, they don't have to wait for anybody.
Apple is just waiting because that's their best choice right now. By the time Apple will be able to launch a phone that has a foldable screen any company will be able to do the same.

 

[Tech198]

It IS a tease if it ever comes out. However, i would hate to think Apple would be having one too..

 

[Sevanw]

So you are telling me that a company like Samsung, who manufactures and thus profits from the sale of hardware components, would have an incentive to push for the proliferation of said hardware?

Shocker.

When you look at the manner in which Samsung goes about designing their products (basically throw everything against the wall and see what sticks), it’s clear that they will never be able to overtake Apple for one simple and inescapable reason.

Apple is driven to make the best products possible, based on their own definition of what that entails. Even I don’t always agree with every design decision Apple makes, but I look at their products and I see that dedication to that design purity which Apple is renowned for. Whether it is removing the headphone jack or pushing for usb c in laptops, Apple goes ahead with what they believe is right and doesn’t look back or regret it, even if it turns out to be the wrong choice later on.

And I respect them for it, even if I don’t agree with it.

In contrast, Samsung is apparently driven by only one goal - to beat Apple. This means that Samsung can never be free to focus on what truly matters to them, because they are so busy chasing after Apple’s shadow.

At the end of the day, Samsung will lose, for the simple reason that they still don’t know, in their hearts, what it is they want to stand for.

And Apple does.

Ladies and gentleman, if anyone ever asks you, how does Apple get away with charging what it does for such lacking hardware, or hardware that comes bent out of a box, or not even including a fast charge with a so called premium smartphone, just point to the thread quoted above. Wow, just unbelievable. Meanwhile in China, Apple drops prices because Kool Aide isn't the drink of choice.

 

[Abazigal]

Ladies and gentleman, if anyone ever asks you, how does Apple get away with charging what it does for such lacking hardware, or hardware that comes bent out of a box, or not even including a fast charge with a so called premium smartphone, just point to the thread quoted above. Wow, just unbelievable. Meanwhile in China, Apple drops prices because Kool Aide isn't the drink of choice.

You already know the answer to that. I, and many others like myself, would personally get more value out of paying full price for an iPhone (plus the full array of accessories and services) than paying less money for an equivalent Samsung flagship phone. My iPad Pro had no issues, and still has no problems, and I am enjoying the full experience with the Smart Keyboard and Apple Pencil. I intend to get airpower and AirPods 2 if / when they get released, plus I will also likely be upgrading my Apple Watch later this year.

We might be in the minority, but it's still enough to earn Apple 84 billion in the last quarter.

Viva la Apple!

 

[DNichter]

That Apple kool aid must be out of this world.

Actually that's proof Apple will do anything to maximize it's profits no matter what their users want or need.
Yeah for the most part Samsung is not exactly like that and that's a plus from a consumer perspective.
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Yeah man at most Apple is just playing around with concepts and figuring things out etc.
Samsung is ready to launch a consumer product. Big difference and you don't want to admit it.

Also taking in consideration how new this tech is, by the time Apple gets a prototype in their labs Samsung has already made a few major/essential improvements. That's how things work when a company has the ability to design, engineer and manufacture a piece of technology, they are just continuously moving foreword, they don't have to wait for anybody.
Apple is just waiting because that's their best choice right now. By the time Apple will be able to launch a phone that has a foldable screen any company will be able to do the same.

No, I have no issue with the fact that they are releasing a consumer product. To me, it just doesn't hold a ton of value yet. This is pretty typical in tech companies today. Most will rush to get something out just to be looked at as first, opposed to perfecting the product to a point where it makes an impact. I don't anticipate many people will be spending upwards of $1,500 for a thick phone and small tablet that doesn't have any software support. It's a cool concept, but that's really all it is. I do hope you enjoy it though, just not for me.

 

[ROGmaster]

No, I have no issue with the fact that they are releasing a consumer product.

Really? I looks like you have, especially when looking at what you wrote below:
Most will rush to get something out just to be looked at as first, opposed to perfecting the product etc. etc.

Yeah, you always try to find excuses for Apple, nothing new here.
Anyway like I've said, Samsung is not in apple's situation, they don't have to wait for anybody to develop components for them.
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You already know the answer to that.

Viva la Apple!

Of course.
First you try to make if about yourself(what you prefer, what you like, what you think etc.)
Second you mention how much money Apple makes.

Yeah that's the typical last resort answer when from somebody like you. Nothing surprising.

 

[DNichter]

Really? I looks like you have especially when looking at what you wrote below:
Most will rush to get something out just to be looked at as first, opposed to perfecting the product etc. etc.

Yeah, you always try to find excuses for Apple, nothing new here.
Anyway like I've said, Samsung's in not in apple's situation, they don't have to wait for anybody to develop components for them.

My view that these companies are just rushing to release a product to essentially do something "new" to help failing smartphone sales (across the industry) doesn't mean I have a problem with them doing it. They have to, I get it.

When it comes to Apple, I don't know what you mean by excuses. For what? I personally don't feel like they need to jump into this type of product yet. Whether they do or don't at some point, I have no control over. We don't even know if anyone is going to buy it or if developers are going to support it. If it's anything like Android tablets today - the answer is no, with an even more complex set of guidelines to make their apps optimized for such a form factor.

It's a fold-able screen in a chassis - we'll see it helps with sales. At this point, nobody knows.

 

[9081094]

i meant the screen.

if the screen has a small bend due to the folding technology, the viewing experience is compromised. not worth the folding tech. xiaomi’s folding prototype device has this flaw.

I’m curious when Apple comes out with something similar in 2-3 years it will spend at least 15 minutes bragging about this feature in its keynote.

Same happened with oled. Most vendors used oled 2-3 years prior Apples iPhone X and most Apple faithful called it a gimmick.

Then Apple introduced its oled iPhone X. The same ones Samsung has been using for years. All of a sudden it was if Apple invented the screen and nobody has ever seen this before

Apple used The opportunity to up the price to give people the sensation how special it was.

In China and south east Asia people compare more on value for money. Only if Apple is willing to halve the prices (and still make profits) it has a chance.

Outside the USA Apple’s services are awful and not conpetetive at all.

Their newest services called ‘news’ where you can read the news from different vendors is dead on arrival too. Not because the idea is wrong but taking 50% of profit in an already cutthroat market is a scam.

Timmy’s greediness has to end and they really need to up the ante to stay relevant.