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it is close to obvious. Samsung beats apple with spec: fast charging, more battery capacity. Fast charging generates more heat. Together with more compact battery and rushing out to win spec war, it creates a recipie for disaster. they push battery beyond its limit to win "spec war".

Samsung wasn't the first to the market with fast charging. How many fires did you hear about from the Droid Turbo?
 
Samsung wasn't the first to the market with fast charging. How many fires did you hear about from the Droid Turbo?

yes, they are not the first but samsung was more aggressive with Note 7 battery. it is alot more compact with fast and wireless charging. again many factors can contribute to the issue due to aggressive "spec war"
 
it is close to obvious. Samsung beats apple with spec: fast charging, more battery capacity. Fast charging generates more heat. Together with more compact battery and rushing out to win spec war, it creates a recipie for disaster. they push battery beyond its limit to win "spec war".

And Apple waits 2 years to introduce old technology in a new phone, calls it "Amazing" and millions want it. Apple will never win the "spec war".

Samsung needn't worry...This too shall pass.
 
Isn't there also fast charging on previous Samsung phones without issue? I thought fast charging was at least a year old st this point. Right?

The Note 7 phone is the Samsung first phone to use USB-C. Maybe some combination of that with their own implementation fast charging led to a conflict somewhere?
 
yes, they are not the first but samsung was more aggressive with Note 7 battery. it is alot more compact. again many factors due to aggressive "spec war"
I think that chocking this up to aggressive spec war is presumptive, at best. As was pointed out this could also be a supplier issue.

I had a recall on a hard drive in my iMac years after buying it. No. it wasn't blowing up. But they were apparently experiencing catastrophic failure and unrecoverable data. Apple replaced them for free. I point this out because this is a good example of a supply chain fault. It's easy to forget, because they are so compact, but smartphones are made up of multiple components coming from almost as many vendors. We don't have enough information right now to make a very educated guess.
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The Note 7 phone is the Samsung first phone to use USB-C. Maybe some combination of that with their own implementation fast charging led to a conflict somewhere?
That's s good point I hadn't thought of. I can see that.
 
And Apple waits 2 years to introduce old technology in a new phone, calls it "Amazing" and millions want it. Apple will never win the "spec war".

Samsung needn't worry...This too shall pass.

Apple does not go to spec war with anyone. they never even listed RAM spec. This so call war is samung's way to wow people on paper.

Apple did not even mention Samsung or Google in their annual new phone announcement. yet both Samsung and Google love to mention apple in their events.

Check Anandtech's review of iphone 7, it beats Note 7 on almost every performance categories upto 50% or more.
 
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Isn't there also fast charging on previous Samsung phones without issue? I thought fast charging was at least a year old st this point. Right?

I think Motorola had it 2 years ago. Qualcom has a Quick Charge System that has been used in Samsung models, although I don't know how fast the quick charge times are vs the Note 7.
 
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Isn't there also fast charging on previous Samsung phones without issue? I thought fast charging was at least a year old st this point. Right?
Rechargeable batteries are even older.
Did stop Samsung from ***** that up.
Whose to say fast charging is or isn't involved?
 
Apple does not go to spec war with anyone. they never even listed RAM spec. This so call war is samung's way to wow people on paper.
Apple doesn't care about ram. If they didn't care about specs they wouldn't tell us how their CPU/gpu outperforms previous phones by 40%. That's all specs on paper because, as I'm sure you know, nobody is seeing an actual 40% increase in how their phone runs. It's all about how you market it. But you're right. Ram isn't something Apple has chosen to ever talk about with iPhone.
 
Apple does not go to spec war with anyone. they never even listed RAM spec. This so call war is samung's way to wow people on paper.

After the last Tim Cook "Dog-and-Pony show" (I mean keynote), I think I'd rather have it on paper than have to sit through next years version!
 
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yes, they are not the first but samsung was more aggressive with Note 7 battery. it is alot more compact with fast and wireless charging. again many factors can contribute to the issue due to aggressive "spec war"

I have no idea of the Note 7 vs the Droid Turbo battery size nor the difference in "agressiveness".
 
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Rechargeable batteries are even older.
Did stop Samsung from ***** that up.
Whose to say fast charging is or isn't involved?
This is exactly my point. There are some here pointing directly at fast charging being the culprit. We don't know that. All I'm saying here is let the facts come out before deciding what the heck is going on. This could be a supply chain problem. But almost nobody is even talking about that.
 
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Apple doesn't care about ram. If they didn't care about specs they wouldn't tell us how their CPU/gpu outperforms previous phones by 40%. That's all specs on paper because, as I'm sure you know, nobody is seeing an actual 40% increase in how their phone runs. It's all about how you market it. But you're right. Ram isn't something Apple has chosen to ever talk about with iPhone.

forget about spec on paper. check out anantech's review of iphone 7. it beats Note 7 on almost every performance categories by up to 50% or more, including battery usage.
 
I don't disagree, strictly. The fact that the screen tech exists and is mass market ready is good news. At least to me.

I like the deleted use of the movie poster though :)
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We can look st this however we want to look at it. But I am personally of the opinion that intentionally going against safety standards versus accidentally doing so are different things.
Well yeah. Bloomberg already had the inside report saying that Samsung rushed the Note 7 to market to beat the iPhone 7 and take advantage of its lack of innovation this year.
 
forget about spec on paper. check out anantech's review of iphone 7. it beats Note 7 on almost every performance categories by up to 50% or more, including battery usage.
I was simply replying to the comment about Apple and specs. I'm not contesting the iPhone 7's power. This has always been the case with iPhones, as far back as I can remember.
 
Well yeah. Bloomberg already had the inside report saying that Samsung rushed the Note 7 to market to beat the iPhone 7 and take advantage of its lack of innovation this year.
Bloomberg saying something was rushed does not equate to this issue being a matter of a rushed product though. Let's say it is fact thenoroduct was rushed. That doesn't make it fact that these issues are a result of said product being rushed. I'm not saying they are not. Just that we don't know that they are.

I'm going down a 40mph road going 50. My tire blows and I hit a car. Do we blame the collision on me going 50? You could possibly make the argument that going slower would have improved my reaction time. But the hardware failure still wasn't a result of the speed I went (or rushed design).

I keep harping on supply chain as a possible answer. I think it's worth keeping in mind. I'm unsure if you're following the "Touch disease" claims. Was that a matter of bad design? Is it because Apple rushed it? Just a bad batch of hardware? We honestly don't know that yet either. And, as far as we know, it could have been any of those things.
 
Stick a fork in it, it's done.

I don't understand, I have friends who won't eat baby food brands because they are worried that the dye #3 might cause cancer, but the same people are still holding on to these defective phones.

What gives?
 
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