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What is your point?
People are saying that Samsung copies Apple, not that all that Samsung does comes from there.
There's a big difference.

For instance they sure as hell didn't copy that useless "no touch" feature for the Galaxy S4 from Apple. Or that stupid, non-functional eye-tracking. And so many other things they just throw on the wall.

If you think that Samsung copies things that Apple doesn't make who am I to try and convince you otherwise?
 
As for size and usability - all I can say is - I think some manufacturers are trying to find the sweet spot.

A tablet that can also be used for the ultimate in work/play scenarios. And not every person's use case is the same. Pilots might want x size and x functionality. Doctors another. While consumers want y, students might want z.

So yes - some of these devices will find people who say they don't get it or would never use it. That's find. Then don't. Other people might find it useful.
 
Ahahahahaha .... Note 3 fits in your pocket nicely ... and you signed up to call as "stupid fanboys" (your words).

Umh... Note phones are pocketable for most people. When I had the Note2, it perfectly fit in my pocket and I don't wear loose pants.

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Fragmentation .... does it say something to you ?

Please know what fragmentation is before saying it. This is called choice.
 
Fragmentation .... does it say something to you ?

Fragmentation only occurs in platforms that have hard coded requirements that might be different accross different devices on the same platform.

The biggest fear driven into our heads by Apple was that changing the display size and therefore resolution would create unheard of fragmentation accross the iOS ecosystem.

This was the case (and still is) because of Apple's way of handling on screen elements.

Android didn't hard code their display elements and made them adjustable to the resolution of the device. As long as the software you are using supports the OS version, then it can adjust it's display according to the device you have.

So while androids particular devices might seem fragmented accross screen resolutions, versions and sizes, they can all run (for the most part) the same software.

Fragmentation becomes much less an issue, and even a non factor when your applications run no matter what.
 
Fragmentation only occurs in platforms that have hard coded requirements that might be different accross different devices on the same platform.

The biggest fear driven into our heads by Apple was that changing the display size and therefore resolution would create unheard of fragmentation accross the iOS ecosystem.

This was the case (and still is) because of Apple's way of handling on screen elements.

Android didn't hard code their display elements and made them adjustable to the resolution of the device. As long as the software you are using supports the OS version, then it can adjust it's display according to the device you have.

So while androids particular devices might seem fragmented accross screen resolutions, versions and sizes, they can all run (for the most part) the same software.

Fragmentation becomes much less an issue, and even a non factor when your applications run no matter what.

Stop with your crazy talk and mumbo jumbo!!! ;)
 
Samsung's strategy in mobile electronics can be summed up in three ways:

1) Try and see what Apple has in the pipeline and get it out before they do

2) Introduce 50 different size variations of basically the same thing and see which sticks

3) Develop gimmicky software features to distinguish products from the other me-too products in the market

4) Don't bother with future firmware support or updates the moment its replacement is on the market.
 
Come on, all of you using the Samsung orP as a baseline for Apple's upcoming product are not thinking clearly. Apple will release another well though out design that has no more in common with the Samsung orP than than that gear thing is going to have in common with an Apple watch.

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Fragmentation only occurs in platforms that have hard coded requirements that might be different accross different devices on the same platform.

The biggest fear driven into our heads by Apple was that changing the display size and therefore resolution would create unheard of fragmentation accross the iOS ecosystem.

This was the case (and still is) because of Apple's way of handling on screen elements.

Android didn't hard code their display elements and made them adjustable to the resolution of the device. As long as the software you are using supports the OS version, then it can adjust it's display according to the device you have.

So while androids particular devices might seem fragmented accross screen resolutions, versions and sizes, they can all run (for the most part) the same software.

Fragmentation becomes much less an issue, and even a non factor when your applications run no matter what.


"""As long as the software you are using supports the OS version"""", and that is the issue with Android and screen size. On this basis alone if you are a developer would you not tend to gravitate towards IOS?
 
The Samsung 12 inch appears to be fairly consistant with what I and many others expected it to be and do..Samsung is big about multitasking and running multiple apps at the same time in a way where they can be used at once..This does open up areas for growth as a business device etc..Having said that, this really is not of a feature that brings this device in a "league" of its own..Like I expected this device complements the galaxy tab family and provides a bigger size that covers all the BASES going ahead..As such it should be a worthy addition to the family as a whole but not really a product thats going to shake up the entire market...Apple is known for doing just that! therefore i do not see this product competing with anything apple may consider as a game changing product for a new market which they may seek to enter with a product which is custom build for such a market (Productivity , Education, Businesses etc)...The original IPAD was more about BROWSING the web, email, music, sharing pictures etc and definitly not intended to be a hardcore device for education, business use or productivity..Apple likes to do a certain product and do it RIGHT so that it captures a huge consumer base..The Ipad did just that ! If apple do see a need for a device aimed at a slightly different market (of course it would not exclusivly be aimed at that market, but its fundamentals would be driven towards solving the problems unique to that market) then i am sure they'd make the larger tablet and give it features enabling it to uniquely bring productivity and utility to its user base..Historically apple has had the ability to develop products that are so well made that their uses extend to things much beyond what apple intended (look at the amount of business using the iPAD for example)..

In time we shall see whether apple does go this route, but from my prospective this samsung device only adds another size form factor to the galaxy family and does little else! Perhaps this is what Samsung intended (solidify the galaxy tab family to cover various form factors and price points) but I am fairly confident that this is NOT what APPLE would look to do if they did decide to venture into something that is remotely similar to what is being speculated !

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"""As long as the software you are using supports the OS version"""", and that is the issue with Android and screen size. On this basis alone if you are a developer would you not tend to gravitate towards IOS?

Both have their pro's and con's.

on the iOS side for example, 1 screen resolution overall means very simple coding. you know that when you design your app, you will get exactly what you want to display. it's a form of hard coding though and something that doesn't handle any sort of UI scaling, except for the simple upsampling by precise counts. But it also means it should be simpler to get your code out the door. The downside is, needing to have multiple versions of your software. an iPhone version and an iPad version to deal with the differences in screen resolutions and real estate.

on the Android side, where you've got resolution independence and the Elements can scale. it leads to trickier programming. You have to take into account how things will work when scaled to different resolutions. why some apps on tablets just don't "feel" right. But, it means you can essentially program your App once, and it will work on most units, regardless of resolution and screen size.

pros and cons to either. But the buzzword of Fragmentation was something Steve job's liked to use as an attack on having so many versions of android, not necessarily the screen resolution issue. According to him, having phones on sooo many different OS versions would be a barrier to Androids acceptance because all the different versions meant the Apps would likely be fragmented too. he was wrong. there was some fragmentation on the move from 2.x to 4.x for applications, but now with the majority of users on 4.x, most of that is gone. Virtually any application written to work on 4.x will run on any version of 4.x (there are some exceptions), regardless of the device they're ons hardware and software combination. Heck, there are still tons of Apps that are backwards compatible to 2.x, meaning they will run on any device running 2.x or 4.x. So despite the OS level being "fragmented" the App ecoystem is mostly transparent to this.
 
Ahahahahaha .... Note 3 fits in your pocket nicely ... and you signed up to call as "stupid fanboys" (your words).

I'm quite sure that also the Galaxy Note 12.2 "fits in your pocket nicely". It's an Android tablet, so it should be perfect for you. :D

Very difficult to take this kind of post seriously. The Note 2 fits perfect in my pocket too (haven't tested the Note 3, but its not much bigger so I'm sure it would fit also). That is exactly his point!

This isn't a "one size fits all" world man. Just because Apple only makes a small phone doesn't mean small phones are the only good phones.
 
I'm gonna, once again, go on record stating that this is the stupidest argument Macrumors has ever generated.

What is Samsung copying here? A size? So if they went 11 inches, or 13 inches, but not 12 inches, they would've been alright? But because they did go with 12 inches because Apple may or may not be releasing their own 12 inch device, they're completely ripping them off?

So why is it that when Asus released the Nexus 7, then Apple released the smaller iPad Mini, you all weren't here making the same argument in Asus' favor? That since they found a bit of success in the smaller tablet market, Apple followed suit? Oh, wait. The Mini was 7.9 inches, not 7 inches. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SCENARIO!

Jesus. Do you people not feel shame for saying some of the things you do?

Just quit reading and posting to this thread if you think this is the "stupidest argument MacRumors has ever generated." All you are doing is adding fuel to the fire. Disengage!
 
I would have agreed a month ago. I have been watch "free" save for some special occasions for well over 2 years. However on an impulse (because there was a ridiculous sale) I got a Pebble. Love it. Why? Because it's MORE than enough info/functionality for me. I usually have my phone on mute at work and at home. So just being able to have my wrist vibrate when I have a call or email (which I can see who's calling/emailing and determine if I will read/pickup). And now that it's cold here in NYC - it's nice to not dig the phone out of my pocket to check the time.

Do I NEED the Pebble? No. But I'm enjoying it. I would never buy something that had so much more functionality. I don't want to do thinks on my wrist. A few simple notifications is great. Long LONG battery life is important.

I'll leave the feature-rich smart watches to the dick tracey's :)

I do like the newly announced metal pebbles but $250 is just too much for a smart watch regardless who it’s from. When I was rocking the Casio calculator watch it would look beat to crap after a few weeks and I’m afraid that a watch that price would go through the same punishment.
I got an idea. How about make replaceable shells for these things so that if you do trash the exterior you can swap out the housing only?
 
It is able to multitask.

What many people are thinking of when it comes to multitasking is having more than one app visible and responsive to touch at the same time. So, yes it is true that iOS has the ability to multitask, but not in the same way many would, perhaps, like in a "pro" device.

If there is an iPad Pro on the horizon, it better be more than an iPad with a bigger display. It seems like Samsung's offerings are pretty much just the same old thing with a bigger display and a tweak to the UI that allows up to four apps to be accessible at one time.
 
Exactly what I was thinking. :) I only come here to read these childish comments and laugh.
As far as the forums that is about my only reason for coming here lately too: it's always good for a laugh.

Sadly, I think most of the OMG-they-really-believe-that comments come from the same country as mine. No wonder we are becoming the laughing stock of the planet.



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LOL. Wait for the call on the 27th Scruffy. Gonna be Mind Bending. ;)

And why as a consumer do I care how much profit Apple makes? I'd much rather that my iPad Air was capable of multi-tasking. But that's just me. If Apple makes 8 gazillion dollars it didn't put a slice of bread on my table. :)

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I seriously think the cold weather is affecting some of you lot in a big way, sending your conspiracy theory nutty sides into complete overdrive!

But carry on...

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Oh, I think the Google/Android/Chrome and Samsung fanboys are just as bad! Give me a break! :p

Being a fanboy is fine. My point is the Apple Fanboy has always been looked at as a whole different breed of fanboy. Just read this thread. Please show me where any other fanboy has spewed such desperate claims. Show me where a fanboy base has claimed another manufacturer is copying their OEM of choice strictly based off RUMOURED products. Lol. I'll be waiting patiently for your examples.
As I said, we need a registration system that uses real Facebook accounts or something that shows who we really are. I'm betting you won't see threads like this anymore for two reasons. 1) You wouldn't want people knowing you're the one making the idiotic claims. 2) These posters are most likely teenagers without a clue, at which case the adults won't bother responding.
 
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