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It is relevant. Back then Apple’s Ads were about Mac vs the ‘default’ computer.. the PC. Which happens to be manufactured by multiple manufacturers, all running the OS platform created by Microsoft.

Today, samsung’s Ad is about the Samsung phones vs the gold standard of phones (undeniably the phone which other phones are measured against), the iPhone. Which happens to be manufactured by a single manufacturer, Apple, running the OS platform created by Apple.

The statement about comparing industry is irrelevant. This is about customer perception on which is the superior product...
For everyone referencing Mac vs PC ads that would only be relevant if these ads were comparing Samsung phones to the rest of the industry. But they’re not, they’re just comparing to iPhone. Also Apple with the Mac, especially in 2008, was totally the underdog with single digit market share. Samsung sells more smartphones than any other manufacturer on the market. They’re not the scrappy underdog.
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In no way is Samsung the underdog. That’s just BS.

I answered this sentiment above:
suggesting you can 'bully' Apple is ridiculous.... Apple is the leader in the market...



No i don't think it's bizarre at all... the iPhone is a crazy class of product in itself. Whenever a new iPhone comes out EVERYBODY knows. and EVERYBODY would be interested in why that new iPhone is the best - what new features does it have? EVERYBODY would want to know the answer to that question, not just lurkers of MacRumors... that is incredible, no other consumer product enjoys that luxury of leading brand perception. That's why they can make so much margin (profit) out of these things.

A new Samsung? Ask any normal person out of these forums and you'd be hard pressed to find someone who knows exactly what's different between the S9 and last year's S8... iPhone? My 60 year old mum can tell you that this year's iphone has face unlock and you can use Apple Pay with your face.

By that measure, market interest and perception, yes, Samsung is clearly the underdog, and that's what these ads serve to mitigate.

To be relatable to your analogy, Burger King has 15% of the US burger market share...that is no freaking slouch... 15% of marketshare in the burger loving USA... but compared to McDonalds, they clearly are the underdog....
 
Suddenly that recent Apple ad doesn‘t look that bad anymore.
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Yes. All valid arguments. No headphone jack is why my wife went with Samsung and gave up on Apple. I plan on doing the same when my iPhone dies.
Why don‘t you use Bluetooth headphones?
 
I guess losing all of those orders to LG really hurt.

Meanwhile Samsung moves on to MicroLED and the rest of the industry plays catchup like they did with OLED. They already have the first MicroLED TV for sale. But like all things cutting edge, you need $$$. But if Samsung doesn't bring it out to the masses, nobody else will. Like OLED. Samsung moves the industry forward to provide the tech for everyone. Apple takes away features under the guise of moving things forward, but in reality, forcing people to pay more for less (headphone jack.) Dongles Dongles Dongles.
 
I keep buying and losing the dongles! I have no love for Samsung but these commercials are pretty good.
The fast charging in the Iphone 8 plus is pretty fast but i guess faster is always better.

I just don't see the dongle thing as a problem. I have two. One is permanently on my desk at the office. It is a wonder. I literally plug in one USB-C cable and I'm connected to four hard drives, two monitors, my MacBook charger, lightning cable, keyboard, document scanner, USB microphone, biofeedback hardware (I'm a therapist) and speakers. The other sits on my desk at home--smaller setup that includes a memory card reader for downloading photos. Granted, these setups use USB hubs but one cable also gets me power and to the monitors. Pretty wonderful.
 
I just don't see the dongle thing as a problem. I have two. One is permanently on my desk at the office. It is a wonder. I literally plug in one USB-C cable and I'm connected to four hard drives, two monitors, my MacBook charger, lightning cable, keyboard, document scanner, USB microphone, biofeedback hardware (I'm a therapist) and speakers. The other sits on my desk at home--smaller setup that includes a memory card reader for downloading photos. Granted, these setups use USB hubs but one cable also gets me power and to the monitors. Pretty wonderful.

Doesn't your usb-c port become very hot ?

When I used the thunderbolt-2 to ethernet on my 2013 mbp, it would become very hot in the port area. So I had to throw away TB2 dongle and use usb-ethernet dongle which runs much cooler.

If you live in cold climates and/or ac rooms, this may not be an issue. For me it is a problem.
 
You win for most desperate and dated comment of the thread. Congratulations.

Well he does have a “point”. It was true that note 7s spontaneously combusted with Samsung’s rushed/poor battery design.

Why are you here on an Apple fan site if you “switched” from Apple to Samsung?

Most people forgave Samsung for that and moved on. If something like that happened to an Apple product. It would be the end of the world and we would never hear the end of it.

I remember when google blasted Apple for ditching the jack, then they did it on their pixel 2.

Samsung is losing sales and are doing anything they can but they look desperate. Now with new iPhones coming out in 2 months they know they’re really in trouble.
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Don't forget Apple did the same kind of videos to Microsoft, and everyone thought it was funny. Now the shoe is on the other foot. The Mac vs PC commercials that Apple did for years

And how many years ago were the Mac vs. PC commercials??? Why is this even being compared. Those were desktop computers. These are smart phones. These ads show Samsung’s desperate nature.
 
QUOTE="AppleFan910, post: 26273496, member: 1137842"]Well he does have a “point”. It was true that note 7s spontaneously combusted with Samsung’s rushed/poor battery design.

Why are you here on an Apple fan site if you “switched” from Apple to Samsung?

Most people forgave Samsung for that and moved on. If something like that happened to an Apple product. It would be the end of the world and we would never hear the end of it.

I remember when google blasted Apple for ditching the jack, then they did it on their pixel 2.

Samsung is losing sales and are doing anything they can but they look desperate. Now with new iPhones coming out in 2 months they know they’re really in trouble.
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And how many years ago were the Mac vs. PC commercials??? Why is this even being compared. Those were desktop computers. These are smart phones. These ads show Samsung’s desperate nature.[/QUOTE]
The poster might still have other Apple products like iPads or a mac.
 
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........ the headphone jack is antiquated anyway and the future is wireless, I still don't understand why this is a big deal.

Why do recording studios kitted out with all the latest, expensive, high end audio equipment use "antiquated" headphones??????[/QUOTE]

In that scenario there is no need for wireless as you can hardwire everything to the mixer boards as it’s more convenient and why complicate things.

Music performance on the other hand has been using wireless mics, headsets and instrument hookups for years now too.
 
You win for most desperate and dated comment of the thread. Congratulations.

In Sept 2016, Samsung recalled the Note 7 due to overheating and fires...same month, same year, Apple announced the removal of the 3.5 jack from the iPhone 7. If Samsung can flog old news in their ads, MR users can do the same in their comments IMO.
 
Why do recording studios kitted out with all the latest, expensive, high end audio equipment use "antiquated" headphones??????

In that scenario there is no need for wireless as you can hardwire everything to the mixer boards as it’s more convenient and why complicate things.

Music performance on the other hand has been using wireless mics, headsets and instrument hookups for years now too.[/QUOTE]
In the studio, best performance with zero latency is required/desired.

On stage performers do not use Bluetooth ;-)

Again, high quality minimum latency required.
 
In Sept 2016, Samsung recalled the Note 7 due to overheating and fires...same month, same year, Apple announced the removal of the 3.5 jack from the iPhone 7. If Samsung can flog old news in their ads, MR users can do the same in their comments IMO.

Um... it’s still happening.

“Samsung Galaxy 9 phone catches fire, burning Odessa man”

https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/...samsung-phone-catches-fire-burning-odessa-man

There might be a reason why.

“iFixit Teardown Reveals Exploding Batteries in Samsung Galaxy S9 Plus”

Newly launched Samsung Galaxy S9+ is found to have batteries similar to the ones in Note 7, which exploded due to overheating. The claim was made by iFixit in its teardown of Samsung’s latest smartphone.

https://www.technobezz.com/ifixit-teardown-reveals-exploding-batteries-in-samsung-galaxy-s9-plus/
 
Um... it’s still happening.

“Samsung Galaxy 9 phone catches fire, burning Odessa man”

https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/...samsung-phone-catches-fire-burning-odessa-man

There might be a reason why.

“iFixit Teardown Reveals Exploding Batteries in Samsung Galaxy S9 Plus”

Newly launched Samsung Galaxy S9+ is found to have batteries similar to the ones in Note 7, which exploded due to overheating. The claim was made by iFixit in its teardown of Samsung’s latest smartphone.

https://www.technobezz.com/ifixit-teardown-reveals-exploding-batteries-in-samsung-galaxy-s9-plus/
Doesn’t sound good. They are putting a bigger battery in the note 9. Mine is sitting in a drawer. Still deciding what to do with it.
 
If you don't need it that's fine, but plenty of people do. How is including a headphone jack impacting you negatively?

Well, some people could want all sorts of old tech on their devices. That's fine and dandy for people who hate changes and find themselves stocked on the past forever. Myself, if am paying that much for a device, I don't want it to be filled with old tech that I don't want. Just like I wouldn't want to buy a laptop with floppy disk or cd/DVD drive that I would not need. Less ports on my mobile device, less chances of it being damaged by water, besides the room spared by removing old tech could be used for something that I find it more useful. Now, like I said I realise that some people struggle to move on with time. That is not my problem. They could perhaps buy something that suits their need better. Something that have all the old tech they still find it useful.
 
Removing the headphone jack was such an unnecessary inconvenience. One reason I’m not even moving from the 6S Plus.
 
What I'm saying is I think this is ineffective at changing the "mindset" of the average iPhone user. Fast charging and using an adapter aren't big enough issues generally speaking. In fact this dumb ad even points out you get the dongle free in the box. I think the majority of people latching on to the horrible burden of using a tiny extra piece of wire at the end of your headphone wire are people who already own Samsung devices and hate Apple. This ad does more to retain those people than it would to make someone switch. And they call the iPhone "ten" in the ad, and the apple logo is only on the guys shirt. How many, non-tech people are even going to realize what they are referring to?

Maybe its not supposed to change the "mindset" of the average iPhone user.
Also, there's nothing Samsung is saying here that isn't true.

Which is why the folks here are getting so irate. Nothing stings as much as the truth.

And before I get accused. I'm a happy owner of of MacBook Pro Retina Late 2013, and iPhone 6s, an iPad 4 as well as a company-issued iPhone SE. So yeah, I (used to) like Apple products a lot. But there is nothing in the new offerings that would really incite me to upgrade. I'll be keeping them dear apple devices until they're worn down to the core (pun intended).

The irony is that I bought them when I was still a student and money was scarce and when each year's new release would leave me out counting my beans to figure out if I have enough money to upgrade. But now, that I actually work and have the money, there's no reason to upgrade. This is mainly because of the decreased functionality of the devices: lack of magsafe, lack of various ports, no audio jack - in other words the overall experience commonly referred to as "the dongle nightmare".

Yeah, call me a drama queen, but I know myself well enough to know that I will forget the dongle when I need it 50% of the time. In Europe, you can't use wireless headphones on most of the flights, so if you fly a lot, wired it is. Provided you have the dongle with you, of course. And the fact that we are still talking about audio jack years after Apple removed it shows that Apple was not only ahead of its time but also ahead of themselves to drop it from the device.

And as for the ads. Well, I find them mildly amusing. They're not as funny as the old PC vs. Mac ads, but they have their charm, which - I admit - may be lost on some people who tend to take themselves too seriously (a meaningful wink to my friends across the Pond).

As to their effectiveness, that I don't know. There seems to be a bunch of self-proclaimed marketing gurus on the forum here who preach that comparative advertising is a no-no. Advertising is not my professional domain, but I found the topic interesting and did a short research of scholarly articles on the subject. While I did not go into the details, a cursory reading revealed that the picture is not as clear-cut as those Advertising 101, Advertising for Dummies or simply your pop's or mom's wisdom would have you believe.

Hasn't it struck anyone as odd that Samsung has been doing those ads for years now. They're bound to have ways of gauging the effectiveness of their advertising campaigns. If those adds were not doing what they're supposed to be doing, they would probably have cut the funds at some point. So apparently they're achieving their objectives, whatever they may be.

Which, btw, is a very interesting topic. What is the objective of this advertising? For one, it gives a pat on the back of anyone who bought a Samsung product, providing positive reinforcement and promoting brand loyalty.

I doubt it is trying to change the "mindset" of the hardcore apple fan. From what I've seen on this forum, the typical hardcore apple fan has a tendency to deny the reality of their own experience. For them, Apple products are perfect and any complaints are an manifestation of the fault with the user (#you'reusingitwrong, #whowouldeverneedto..., #noone'sforcingyoutouseappleproducts). They are unable to acknowledge that a buyer may consider tradeoffs between different features and that they might, for example, decide to buy apple to stay within the ecosystem while strongly disliking some aspects the new hardware solutions. But while most apple users are susceptible to apple glamour (which is very effective at promoting brand-loyalty), they are not blindly beholden to Apple. For them, there is a tipping point somewhere down that road. Those adds are good at sprinkling some salt in the wounds of those users who have just bought their new iPhone and have discovered the minor downside of "dongle life" or other aspects of the phone.

Will that person go and swap their iPhone for a Samsung the next day? Unlikely. But they will be reminded that there are other options out there (a notion that is as alien as it is blasphemous to the average apple fan). The will also be reminded of those minor inconveniences every time they see the ad, instantly remembering the negative emotions associated with their most recent experience when they didn't have the dongle on hand. There is a reason why Samsung doesn't showcase their product in this ad. They don't want their products associated with that experience. They will have a separate, up-beat ad to focus on their phones. Maybe they'll even screen it one or two ads after the Apple-bashing ad, letting the viewer gently draw their own conclusion.

That doesn't sound like a cracked-up approach to me.
 
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Maybe its not supposed to change the "mindset" of the average iPhone user.


Which is why the folks here are getting so irate. Nothing stings as much as the truth.

And before I get accused. I'm a happy owner of of MacBook Pro Retina Late 2013, and iPhone 6s, an iPad 4 as well as a company-issued iPhone SE. So yeah, I (used to) like Apple products a lot. But there is nothing in the new offerings that would really incite me to upgrade. I'll be keeping them dear apple devices until they're worn down to the core (pun intended).

The irony is that I bought them when I was still a student and money was scarce and when each year's new release would leave me out counting my beans to figure out if I have enough money to upgrade. But now, that I actually work and have the money, there's no reason to upgrade. This is mainly because of the decreased functionality of the devices: lack of magsafe, lack of various ports, no audio jack - in other words the overall experience commonly referred to as "the dongle nightmare".

Yeah, call me a drama queen, but I know myself well enough to know that I will forget the dongle when I need it 50% of the time. In Europe, you can't use wireless headphones on most of the flights, so if you fly a lot, wired it is. Provided you have the dongle with you, of course. And the fact that we are still talking about audio jack years after Apple removed it shows that Apple was not only ahead of its time but also ahead of themselves to drop it from the device.

And as for the ads. Well, I find them mildly amusing. They're not as funny as the old PC vs. Mac ads, but they have their charm, which - I admit - may be lost on some people who tend to take themselves too seriously (a meaningful wink to my friends across the Pond).

As to their effectiveness, that I don't know. There seems to be a bunch of self-proclaimed marketing gurus on the forum here who preach that comparative advertising is a no-no. Advertising is not my professional domain, but I found the topic interesting and did a short research of scholarly articles on the subject. While I did not go into the details, a cursory reading revealed that the picture is not as clear-cut as those Advertising 101, Advertising for Dummies or simply your pop's or mom's wisdom would have you believe.

Hasn't it struck anyone as odd that Samsung has been doing those ads for years now. They're bound to have ways of gauging the effectiveness of their advertising campaigns. If those adds were not doing what they're supposed to be doing, they would probably have cut the funds at some point. So apparently they're achieving their objectives, whatever they may be.

Which, btw, is a very interesting topic. What is the objective of this advertising? For one, it gives a pat on the back of anyone who bought a Samsung product, providing positive reinforcement and promoting brand loyalty.

I doubt it is trying to change the "mindset" of the hardcore apple fan. From what I've seen on this forum, the typical hardcore apple fan has a tendency to deny the reality of their own experience. For them, Apple products are perfect and any complaints are an manifestation of the fault with the user (#you'reusingitwrong, #whowouldeverneedto..., #noone'sforcingyoutouseappleproducts). They are unable to acknowledge that a buyer may consider tradeoffs between different features and that they might, for example, decide to buy apple to stay within the ecosystem while strongly disliking some aspects the new hardware solutions. But while most apple users are susceptible to apple glamour (which is very effective at promoting brand-loyalty), they are not blindly beholden to Apple. For them, there is a tipping point somewhere down that road. Those adds are good at sprinkling some salt in the wounds of those users who have just bought their new iPhone and have discovered the minor downside of "dongle life" or other aspects of the phone.

Will that person go and swap their iPhone for a Samsung the next day? Unlikely. But they will be reminded that there are other options out there (a notion that is as alien as it is blasphemous to the average apple fan). The will also be reminded of those minor inconveniences every time they see the ad, instantly remembering the negative emotions associated with their most recent experience when they didn't have the dongle on hand. There is a reason why Samsung doesn't showcase their product in this ad. They don't want their products associated with that experience. They will have a separate, up-beat ad to focus on their phones. Maybe they'll even screen it one or two ads after the Apple-bashing ad, letting the viewer gently draw their own conclusion.

That doesn't sound like a cracked-up approach to me.


Yes here is one of those ads. No mention of the iPhone here


 

Ummmmm, when it's an Apple product, it's user error, "cheap Chinese chargers", etc (redirect, redirect, redirect or outright dispute). And then there's the old standby: "My <Apple product> has never <reported fault>" (so obviously this is untrue).

When it's a Samsung product, not only is it happening to EVERY SINGLE Samsung product- including whole other lines of products- but the scope of the event is somewhere between a thermonuclear meltdown and a global extinction event.

Business as usual. ;)
 
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I don’t think two iPhone 6s and an Apple watch from 2017 is the same as note 7 exploding and subsequently being recalled. But they might be using Samsung batteries, who knows.

Regarding the s9:

“iFixit Teardown Reveals Exploding Batteries in Samsung Galaxy S9 Plus”

Newly launched Samsung Galaxy S9+ is found to have batteries similar to the ones in Note 7, which exploded due to overheating. The claim was made by iFixit in its teardown of Samsung’s latest smartphone.

https://www.technobezz.com/ifixit-teardown-reveals-exploding-batteries-in-samsung-galaxy-s9-plus/


This happened last week to the s9.

“Samsung Galaxy 9 phone catches fire, burning Odessa man”

“An Odessa man hit record as his girlfriend's Samsung Galaxy S9 started smoking. Just 24 hours before the phone burst into fire, Dave Warden III and his girlfriend were on a flight.
Warden's smoking phone incident could be the first publicly reported case since the Note 7s notorious exploding problems back in 2016.....The Note 7 exploding fiasco caused the largest phone recall in history with around 2.5 million Note 7s recalled globally. The phones were banned from flights. It also wiped out billions of dollars in profits for Samsung.”

https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/...samsung-phone-catches-fire-burning-odessa-man

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In June (this year as well) a womens car burned down by either a galaxy s4 or galaxy s8.
"Woman says Samsung phone exploded, totaled car"
https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/woman-says-samsung-phone-exploded-totaled-car/766517399
http://www.zeebiz.com/companies/new...r-woman-escapes-inferno-in-nick-of-time-50634

In March an s7 exploded. Again 2018.

"Mesa woman's Samsung phone exploded on nightstand"
https://www.12news.com/article/news...ung-phone-exploded-on-nightstand/75-532587706

The note 4 was recalled last year as well.
https://mashable.com/2017/08/16/samsung-galaxy-note-4-recall-fire-risk/


And it’s not just thier phones.

“If people were here, especially my kids, it could have been deadly,” Nuree told local ABC affiliate WFAA8. “How can a washing machine just blow up?”
https://www.digitaltrends.com/home/samsung-washing-machine-explosion-texas/

Anyway all of these are in 2018 except for the note 4 recall that was the end of last year.
 
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These adverts are embarrassing. Why doesn't Samsung focus on showcasing their products instead of bashing the competition? Are they trying to be Microsoft or something?!

seems like they don't have anything worthy of talking about other than a aux port and a charger that is probably only like 10 minutes faster than the iPhone charger. but hey it's 10 minutes
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Yes but when it's Apple doing it, it's a "genius campaign", "I love these ads", "they are sooooo right", etc.

there were plenty of folks that thought those ads were stupid AF
 
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