Apple has just as much blame In This as Samsung so stop being a apple fanboy. I've owned iPhone since the original. I also own a Samsung tv. They need to both stop being childish and just make money but no, they both have to be greedy bastards and no one will stand upland be the bigger man and just let it go.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Samsung Preparing to Add iPhone 5 to U.S. Patent Lawsuit
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Apple has just as much blame In This as Samsung so stop being a apple fanboy. I've owned iPhone since the original. I also own a Samsung tv. They need to both stop being childish and just make money but no, they both have to be greedy bastards and no one will stand upland be the bigger man and just let it go.
That's what Samsung want you to think - that they and Apple are just as bad as each other.
The reality is very far from that. If you look in to the detail of the lawsuits, you'll see that Samsung is trying to break irrevocable pledges they made when their patents were made part of the phone standards.
Patents that are part of a standard are given a monopoly: nobody can make a phone without that patent, because they won't be able to meet the specifications. Companies that pledge their patents as part of a standard must make a pledge to license them to anybody (especially their competitors) at the same rate (so they can't charge their competitors more). It's called a FRAND pledge:
- Fair: You cannot abuse the monopoly position of those patents for extortionate terms
- Reasonable: As above.
- Non-Discriminatory: You cannot charge some companies more than others, or deny any company a license. There must be a fixed rate for anybody to license these patents, and those rates must be fair.
If they don't make those pledges, or don't stick to them, they've just been gifted a monopoly and their behaviour would classify as that of a cartel. It would be totally unworkable and absolutely illegal.
But that's exactly what Samsung are trying to do.
Apple, on the other hand, hasn't sought injunctions over any patents that are part of any standard. They've only been suing over their proprietary user-interface patents.
That's why Apple are winning decisions against Samsung, but Samsung haven't won anything against Apple yet. They've brought cases against Apple all over the world, and they've all been thrown out for the reasons I explained above.
Apple's purchase of Nortel's patents apparently included lots of patents declared essential to LTE. They wouldn't go Samsung's route and start suing over them, though - it's prompted antitrust investigations against Samsung and Motorola (who are following the same conduct) both in the US and EU. Apple is not under investigation.
So far, Samsung have not proven that Apple copied any of their technology, whereas Apple has proven the inverse is true. Samsung's PR statements sound bold, but their court documents show that the only Samsung patents Apple allegedly uses in their phones are the ones that are essential to telecommunications standards (and have been pledged FRAND).
Why would I be working for Samsung? I would much prefer working for Apple. People like you seem to assume I'm a Samsung fanboy but if you carefully read my posts, I never bash Apple, I just happen to not bash Samsung either.
Please... grow up.
That has been handled by a circuit breaker in regular headphone jacks for ages. The technical details that are added are mostly drivel, you need speakers and amplifying circuits etc, really? Also, it seems to be limited to audio level adjustments through dsp specifically. Changing audio levels digitally is trivially done by subtraction and addition.
Yes, and so the likelihood of Samsung actually winning an injunction are slim to none. Most of the patents are standards essential. We just saw last month what a jury is likely to do when a company tries to use standards essential patents as a weapon.
You mean like Apple and Microsoft back in the 80s ?
I would hope that Apple has learnd enough to know how to come out on top this time...
Steves not here to save them this time...
You are mistaken there - it is because of companies like Samsung that we are able to mass produce the innovations of other companies like DuPont.
If you're going to post in large, bold font, you might want to consider using spell check.
I don't see you bashing Apple but you seem to be rooting for Samsung to win a lawsuit over technology Apple bought from another company who already paid Samsung for the licensing.
I do not like how they attack the user... Why would I want a samsung phone after they portray me and most of my friends (who also own an iPhone) as idiots for liking the iPhone.
Also, I love when they advertise the "bump" style feature. The whole time I have been using the GS3, there has not been a SINGLE person I could do that with.
^To both of the above comments:
Lets not give HTC more credit than they deserve please. HTC did not come up with LTE technology or invent anything. They bought it when they purchased ADC Technologies. Plain and simple. They bought the company and its patents, they did not patent the tech themselves.
They(Apple ) sued because since they(Samsung) enter in the smartphone market with Android they refuse to come to an agreement and finally decided not to pay Apple over their patents they decided to use. On the contrary Microsoft did pay for those patents and still have a good cross-licence agreement with Apple.
On the other hand Samsung counter-sued over 3G patents that each and every mobile company HAS to use in order to use 3G network. This is what Apple argue in calling that 'Essential Patents', that have to be fairly priced to competition.
Samsung is just counter-suing because they are sore loser, and they are just not happy that they got screwed because they have been obnoxious in dealing with Apple over their patents, and also because the S3 is not as popular as the iPhone.
I would like to see the reaction to this story if you switched Samsung and Apple's names around. 
Samsung copies everything Apple does
APPLE STORE
SAMSUNG STORE
Even down to the blue shirts employees wear lol.
APPLE STORE
SAMSUNG STORE
Even down to the blue shirts employees wear lol.
Nope, I never rooted for Samsung and I will never root for anyone in a patent case. I'm just poiting out all the negativety that so many people have here on Samsung when Apple is not really acting better. And I'm also saying Samsung is allowed to sue, never did I mention that they should win.
In an ideal situation for me, they would both lose and the money would go back to consumers.
HuH??
A lot of what is at stake in silly!!
There are times when patents are broken
These I can see Apple did break!
Yet, I believe that the patent system should recognize that the patents should be FRAND.
Also see that some did come from the Open Source community patents, some are parts from the hardware (i.e. chips) that hold automatically the patents in questions.
But what is really annoying the hell out of me is when a company straight out copies a product not just parts of a product that is when a company should be hold accountable. And that is what just happened between Apple and Samsung in recent times.
Soon to include GooApple!!
A lot of what is at stake in silly!!
There are times when patents are broken
These I can see Apple did break!
Yet, I believe that the patent system should recognize that the patents should be FRAND.
Also see that some did come from the Open Source community patents, some are parts from the hardware (i.e. chips) that hold automatically the patents in questions.
But what is really annoying the hell out of me is when a company straight out copies a product not just parts of a product that is when a company should be hold accountable. And that is what just happened between Apple and Samsung in recent times.
Soon to include GooApple!!
Oh duh! I remember now my brother-in-law being extremely upset his HTC Evo 4G was delayed because of it....
Ahh well, still think HTC > Samsung.
Don't be ridiculous.
Samsung copied the idea of placing products on tables?
And I'm not sure if you've noticed but Samsung's main colour IS blue. Are you telling me you've never seen any shop assistants wearing blue except Apple "Geniuses"?
I think you've mistaken this site as SamsungRumors.com
I can understand the error however, as they too have a similar layout to MacRumors.
I wonder why...