Samsung Rethinking Galaxy Tab 10.1 After iPad 2 Unveiling

[addicted44]

I never used the word engineering, I said an industry term.

The engineering term was used by someone else. Which industry are you talking about?

Well, still, in my industry (HW manufacturing, as well as SW design, similar to Apple) we still only use the word "shipping" to denote the fact that the product is out of any trial phases, and is available to the customer in mass quantities.

A product that's been on the market for a year outsells a product that's been on the market for 2 weeks.

See, I can spin too! Just don't get dizzy from all the spinning.

You're getting this worked up over bashing a competitor. If the product doesn't interest you, why not just move on ?

Huh? So are you suggesting that when the iPhone 5 is released, it SHOULD NOT outsell existing phones? Thats some weak spin you've got right there...

Besides, its a year old product whose next version has already been announced, and is selling for $100 less at Apple.com or the Apple Store, which is the first place most people wanting to buy that product go.

I am not bashing a competitor. I was suggesting to another poster (in an unfortunately snarky way) that the Xoom being sold out at Amazon could easily just be an indication of their low supply.

 

[KnightWRX]

Huh? So are you suggesting that when the iPhone 5 is released, it SHOULD NOT outsell existing phones? Thats some weak spin you've got right there...

Not in the first week no. I'm thinking it's going to take at least 1 or 2 months before they outsell the iPhone 4, which is at what now, 20 million units ?

Top 100 bestsellers is over what period of time on Amazon ? 10 days ? 24 hours ? 1 week ? 1 year ? If you can't answer that, we can't really draw much conclusions for sales of a product that's 2 weeks old vs one that's 1 year old.

The engineering term was used by someone else. Which industry are you talking about?

Industry in general. The phrase is coined and already used to mean something :

http://connectedplanetonline.com/3g4g/news/ericsson-shipping-lte-gear-in-volume-0723/

It's not something Steve pulled out of his head and was something we first heard at that keynote. "Shipping in volume" has been in use for quite a while to denote when manufacturing has ramped up and orders are being filled, vs just doing limited runs.

Do we have to repeat this over and over again ? "Shipping in volume" has no link to the actual numbers of units shipped as far as the industry was concerned when they coined the term.

Either Steve redefined what "Shipping in Volumes" means or he just fibbed and ignored Tegra 2 as a viable Dual Core platform (which it is, probably even moreso than A5).

 

[gonnabuyamacbsh]

So the ipad2 is 8mm thick and the galaxy tab 10.1 is 10mm thick. You guys think its a noticeable difference?

 

[DeathChill]

So the ipad2 is 8mm thick and the galaxy tab 10.1 is 10mm thick. You guys think its a noticeable difference?

My girlfriend sure thinks so.

Bada bing!


Alright...I'm lonely.

 

[ten-oak-druid]

So the ipad2 is 8mm thick and the galaxy tab 10.1 is 10mm thick. You guys think its a noticeable difference?

Samsung's CEO thinks so.

 

[DeathChill]

Industry in general. The phrase is coined and already used to mean something :

http://connectedplanetonline.com/3g4g/news/ericsson-shipping-lte-gear-in-volume-0723/

It's not something Steve pulled out of his head and was something we first heard at that keynote. "Shipping in volume" has been in use for quite a while to denote when manufacturing has ramped up and orders are being filled, vs just doing limited runs.

Do we have to repeat this over and over again ? "Shipping in volume" has no link to the actual numbers of units shipped as far as the industry was concerned when they coined the term.

Either Steve redefined what "Shipping in Volumes" means or he just fibbed and ignored Tegra 2 as a viable Dual Core platform (which it is, probably even moreso than A5).

Shipping in volume would be relative to the product. Now the LTE equipment is being shipped in volume as more carriers are deploying it. However, comparing a specialized piece of equipment to a consumer product will probably give you to different ideas of what volume is.

Of course shipping in volume has no exact number of units; it just means a large amount of units. The iPad 2 will be the first dual core tablet to ship in large amounts.

 

[parapup]

A product that's been on the market for a year outsells a product that's been on the market for 2 weeks.

And when eventually <the other product> outsells <the Apple product>, the sales numbers are either cunningly disputed or they suddenly stop to matter.

You gotta give credit to the fan boys for their hard earned and well practiced "distorting facts for winning arguments while summoning magic when required to save the argument" technique.

Shipping in volume would be relative to the product. Now the LTE equipment is being shipped in volume as more carriers are deploying it. However, comparing a specialized piece of equipment to a consumer product will probably give you to different ideas of what volume is.

Of course shipping in volume has no exact number of units; it just means a large amount of units. The iPad 2 will be the first dual core tablet to ship in large amounts.

So you are questioning if there is any difference between "will" and "is" . Radical thinking.

 

[addicted44]

Not in the first week no. I'm thinking it's going to take at least 1 or 2 months before they outsell the iPhone 4, which is at what now, 20 million units ?

Top 100 bestsellers is over what period of time on Amazon ? 10 days ? 24 hours ? 1 week ? 1 year ? If you can't answer that, we can't really draw much conclusions for sales of a product that's 2 weeks old vs one that's 1 year old.

That makes sense. I assumed you knew that Amazon bestseller lists are hourly. They are not cumulative. And products can displace top ranked products within minutes of Amazon selling them.

 

[ten-oak-druid]

I don't see the iPad on that list either...

Maybe Amazon just doesn't list Tablets and Cellphones together ?

EDIT : Actually, the Xoom is #8 in cellphones with service and #11 in Tablets.

http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-XOOM...VHUC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1299435432&sr=8-1


EDIT2 : The iPad got beaten by a cheap asian clone sold for 199$ in Tablets :

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/1232597011/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_e_2_3_last

Got beaten? Do you know how best seller lists work? Are you implying "all time sales"?

The ipad is #2 in that list and it is about to be refreshed. Yet it is still number 2. The superpad is a newer product with a low price guaranteed to dissatisfy the customers. Just look a the ratings on amazon. The ipad has mostly 5 star ratings and the distribution is a decrease with each fewer stars. The "#1 Superpad" is rated right down the middle. # 5 stars = # 1 stars, #4 stars = #2 stars.

The super pad will lose rankings once the new ipad models are released.

So here is my recommendation for you. Instead of spending time bashing Apple products, why don't you take that energy and help people buying the products you think they should buy. For instance there are a few models of ipad and a few of the iphone. How many varieties of android tablet or phone are there? How about you take this time and devote it to comparing and contrasting every android product out there so that someone thinking about one can decide?

 

[addicted44]

And when eventually <the other product> outsells <the Apple product>, the sales numbers are either cunningly disputed or they suddenly stop to matter.

You gotta give credit to the fan boys for their hard earned and well practiced "distorting facts for winning arguments while summoning magic when required to save the argument" technique.

So what is this <other product> selling more than <the Apple product> whose sales numbers have been disputed by Apple "fanbois"?

I don't think you will find many "Apple fanbois" disputing that PCs outsell macs. I don't think you will find many "Apple fanbois" disputing that Android phones are outselling iPhones.

I am assuming you are referring to the Samsung Galaxy Tab. Well, unless Samsung's PR person is an "Apple fanboi" it was the PR people who revealed that what they said were sales numbers, were actually sell-in numbers, and that the sell-out numbers were quite small (oh wait, thats a PR disaster...lets just say the 3rd party guys mistranslated it from smooth instead...).

 

[DeathChill]

So you are questioning if there is any difference between "will" and "is" . Radical thinking.

I am not sure what you mean. The iPad 2 will be the first dual core tablet to ship in volume (large amounts, I know some people are having real issue with this word ). However, it is not the first dual core tablet to ship!

 

[ten-oak-druid]

And when eventually <the other product> outsells <the Apple product>, the sales numbers are either cunningly disputed or they suddenly stop to matter.

You gotta give credit to the fan boys for their hard earned and well practiced "distorting facts for winning arguments while summoning magic when required to save the argument" technique.

All right! Another "fanboy" bomb. You know you've won the argument when they trot out this. Why is it that these people are so upset about Apple that they need to spend so much time spreading lies on Mac Rumors?

 

[KnightWRX]

Shipping in volume would be relative to the product. Now the LTE equipment is being shipped in volume as more carriers are deploying it. However, comparing a specialized piece of equipment to a consumer product will probably give you to different ideas of what volume is.

Of course shipping in volume has no exact number of units; it just means a large amount of units. The iPad 2 will be the first dual core tablet to ship in large amounts.

*sigh*.

Shipping in volume means that when an order comes in, manufacturing can fill it without having to "ramp up". That's what its always meant as far as the people who coined it. It has no link whatsoever to a "Large amount of units". Cisco ships Nexus routers "In volume", yet I doubt that's a very large number

 

[parapup]

So what is this <other product> selling more than <the Apple product> whose sales numbers have been disputed by Apple "fanbois"?

First Android wasn't going to sell at all. Then it was going to be all over for Android when Verizon iPhone was out. Then 250000 Android "SmartPhone" activations per day were disputed and challenged with "iOS" device activations which covers SmartPhones, Media Players and Tablets. Then when repeated quarters go by with different analytics firms confirming Android surpassing iOS and Google declaring 350,000 activations of Android SmartPhones - then numbers do not matter, the magic, experience, profits, but-Apple-is-single-manufacturer et.al matters.

 

[KnightWRX]

So here is my recommendation for you. Instead of spending time bashing Apple products,

I'm in this thread to stem lilo's bashing, which was unjust. I'm not here to bash Apple products. Lilo pointed out a little fib of Steve's about "Shipping in volume", which people are now spinning all over the place like some kind of overused pop vinyl.

Steve also fibbed about the "quite small" sales comment, which was debunked weeks ago. Funny how Deathchill is staying away from that one and ignoring it instead of spinning it uh ? It's obvious the keynote was written before the ViewSonic G-Tablet and Motorola Xoom ship dates were announced and Apple really thought they'd be the first to ship a dual core tablet with such a tight March 11th deadline.

No one bothered to correct the presentation when the news came out that the translation on the Samsung quote was wrong and the Xoom and other Tegra 2 tablets shipped before iPad 2.

It's that simple people. Occam's Razor. You're not going to all suddenly die because Apple botched a few quotes in a keynote and simply ended up "lying" because of it.

I don't care enough about Tablets to know which to recommend to who.

 

[DeathChill]

*sigh*.

Shipping in volume means that when an order comes in, manufacturing can fill it without having to "ramp up". That's what its always meant as far as the people who coined it. It has no link whatsoever to a "Large amount of units". Cisco ships Nexus routers "In volume", yet I doubt that's a very large number

*sigh*

I don't give a flying crap what you've decided volume means. The dictionary disagrees with you and it's obvious to anyone exactly what Steve meant.

Steve also fibbed about the "quite small" sales comment, which was debunked weeks ago. Funny how Deathchill is staying away from that one and ignoring it instead of spinning it uh ? It's obvious the keynote was written before the ViewSonic G-Tablet and Motorola Xoom ship dates were announced and Apple really thought they'd be the first to ship a dual core tablet with such a tight March 11th deadline.

We weren't discussing that though, were we? I have no interest in that because I'm not contesting it. That was the original quote that was transcribed and then approved by Samsung and later changed due to error. That quote was out of date.

Did you not actually watch the keynote? Steve directly addresses the Xoom. He says "I know that some other tablets are starting to ship but I think this is going to be the first dual core tablet to ship in volume."

 

[bengal1022]

Wow, that product image looks like real crap! Reminds me of all the "iPod killers" that came out in the early 2000's.

I agree. Won't the ever learn!!

Wow, Steve must feel very good about the iPad. Do you remember those post from last year about people complaining how bad the iPad is? It's so funny to read these comments again.

Hmm... How disappointed these pundits must be. The opposite of each excerpt above is true. I am in medicine, and the iPad is on the front page of practically every trade magazine I get, mostly referring to how the iPad is going to "revolutionize" medicine. I only wish that Apple will consider addressing the few idiosyncrasies that exist with the product, such as flash player and the ability to upload files/photos a one can on a PC.

They gonna call this the Apple killer again? That term is a cliche now... Has not happened yet since being used on the iPhone 1.

LOL the iPhone killer, iPad killer, iPod Touch killer...

Lol. Yep! But was it Samsung or the media that coined the cliche? Anyhow, you are correct. also, a true apple enthusiast doesn't mind paying a premium for an Apple product; but for a non Apple product? Wishful thinking a best.

So much goes into developing the OS, a good framework for applications to be developed that considers so many facets that are important for success, distribution of those apps and, most importantly, to connect them all into one user experience that excels in the most important areas for most of its users.

So much can be argued over the fact it doesn't have a USB port or something else specific. For Apple and the iPad, the formula is right and works for the type of product they want to develop and what many people want.

They gladly leave it to others to handle the USB port.

To your point- who needs an USB port? Bluetooth and wifi is just as good. I am waiting for developers to create a wireless external drive that will work for the iPad. I have seen tethered ones, but not wireless. If anyone knows of one, please send me an IM to let me know.

Thanks

 

[KnightWRX]

*sigh*

I don't give a flying crap what you've decided volume means. The dictionary disagrees with you and it's obvious to anyone exactly what Steve meant.

I've decided ? I didn't coin the phrase "Shipping in volume".

 

[bengal1022]

by rethinking do they mean canceling?

Apple continuously send their competitors into a state of flux. In my opinion, Apple develops their products over a period of time; not over night. So when something new hits the market from apple, their competitors go into a hasty frenzy, which doesn't lend itself to a viable competitive product. so the end result equals crap.

 

[DeathChill]

I've decided ? I didn't coin the phrase "Shipping in volume".

Who did? Is there anything more then that one article where they use that phrase because they are starting to sell a lot?

Ignore the "phrase" and look at the words. They will be the first dual core tablet to ship in large amounts. It's not hard to understand and I know that you get it and are obviously just arguing to be irritating.

EDIT: Just because you keep pretending like volume doesn't mean large amount:

a. Amount; quantity: a low volume of business; a considerable volume of lumber.
b. A large amount. Often used in the plural: volumes of praise.

Now you may point to definition a, but look, it has a descriptive word in front of it! "Low" or "considerable." Steve quite clearly used the word in reference to the second definition!

 

[bengal1022]

They are just being honest. That's a stark contrast to Steve Jobs' BS that we just heard at iPad 2 event (first tablet with dual core CPU, rrrright). Also the original article spreads usual pro-Apple propaganda. Galaxy Tab for US$900? Is this a reference to some European pre-release prices? Just a BS.

If only Steve Jobs was that honest and said - yeah, we screwed up with RAM, and cameras and no-SD card and no 4G.

Please. I know you are entitled to your opinion, but is there a site called "SamsungRumors" where you can sure it?

 

[KnightWRX]

Who did? Is there anything more then that one article where they use that phrase because they are starting to sell a lot?

You're going to sit there and tell me this is seriously the first time you've heard the phrase "shipping in volume" when referring to product launches ?

Ignore the "phrase" and look at the words.

Again, it's an age old phrase that was coined longed ago. To ignore it is to ignore the history behind it. So like I said : Either Steve redefined a well known industry term like "Shipping in volume" or he fibbed. You essentially agree with me, except you're going with the "Redefined" part instead of the fib part.

I'm not passing judgment either way, though I'm betting more on the fibbing part. Neither is good and if he meant "we'll just sell more than all of them" he should have just come out and said that.

 

[bengal1022]

Its still a giant iPod

Do you even own one? I thought it was just a giant iPhone until I actually purchased one. Nothing can be further from the truth. In fact, there are iPad specific apps. Respectfully, the day you take your iPad to the gyms strapped to your bicep as you workout will be the day you can call it a "giant iPod touch".

 

[DeathChill]

You're going to sit there and tell me this is seriously the first time you've heard the phrase "shipping in volume" when referring to product launches ?

I've honestly never heard it as a standard term.

Again, it's an age old phrase that was coined longed ago. To ignore it is to ignore the history behind it. So like I said : Either Steve redefined a well known industry term like "Shipping in volume" or he fibbed. You essentially agree with me, except you're going with the "Redefined" part instead of the fib part.

I'm not passing judgment either way, though I'm betting more on the fibbing part. Neither is good and if he meant "we'll just sell more than all of them" he should have just come out and said that.

How the Hell is it fibbing to use a damned sentence? Are you saying that the phrase "shipping in volume" can only mean being shipped, regardless of amount?

 

[KnightWRX]

Are you saying that the phrase "shipping in volume" can only mean being shipped, regardless of amount?

Have you even read my posts ? I'm not saying that at all. I've told you countless times how the phrase has been used over the years. If you still don't get it, all that's left now is to basically ignore you. I suggest you also just ignore my posts.