Samsung's Galaxy Note 7 Smartphone Banned From All U.S. Flights

[realeric]

No sir. I said they're not a HUGE threat at all. Did you perhaps read too fast?

The fact is, there have been quite a few smartphone / game / tablet small battery fires on airliners in flight (not just at the airport gate like with that Note 7). Fires from many types of devices, including phones, tablets, and crew handhelds.

None that I know of, ended up as more serious than a huge inconvenience, because of having to divert as a precaution and/or having some damage and residual smoke smell (such as in the case of an iPhone 6 fire which occurred 90 minutes out from Hawaii, where no early diversion was possible - the young college owner freaked out and she kicked the high flaming unit under someone else's seat, making it even more difficult for the crew!).

No, it's a HUGE threat. 200 of Note7 exploded among 1.4 million units in one month. If it's sold more than 14 million units, 24,000 of Note 7 would explode in a year and 72,000 of Note 7 would explode in three years.

Do you say iPhone also explodes? How many iPhones have exploded? 10 or 20 among 600 million units? It's pretty normal considering eBay sellers have been selling hundreds of thousands of counterfeit batteries.

 

[kildraik]

How is a TSA agent going to stop this?

You can't ask people to look at their phone based on the phones color or the way it looks. That would be profiling and it is ILLEGAL!

Actually, they can. And will. The only way to avoid that is fly private. When you buy a commercial ticket, you agree to all Federal law concerning passage.
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If the Note 7 was so dangerous, it would be banned today, not in 24 hrs.

I think 24 hours is fair, considering some may be on intercontinental legs, and can get a new device before that time is up.

But yes, I don't disagree.

 

[Thunderbird]

That Samsung Galaxy Note 7, it blows up good...


It blows up real good!

 

[sinsin07]

This is who you meet if you board a plane with Note 7

Fire Marshall Bill

 

[dampfnudel]

i wander when they will check all phones for cheap Chinese batteries... where I've worked we have seen so many iPhones die and swell up from cheap replacements... these are way worse than the samsung ones.and these can't be tracked or traced like the note 7...

same thing for laptop batteries... everyone buys the cheap ones on amazon and eBay...

Yeah, this could just be the tip of the iceberg. Let's hope Apple keeps a closer eye on their battery suppliers because can you imagine the hit Apple would take if they had to discontinue one of their iPhone models only a month or two after release. Samsung has now set a precedent when it comes to recalling a major product with a equally major defect that Apple wouldn't be able to avoid without serious fallout. In other words, Apple better keep a tight leash on their suppliers since some of them may be overestimating their capabilities and/or lowering their QC in pursuit of increased profits/meeting deadlines. Companies like Samsung and Apple must also be realistic with their schedules and not introduce an element of fear in their suppliers that pressure them to go beyond their true capabilities.

 

[TMRJIJ]

Because the criticisms I point out are VALID! Seems like you cant handle criticism of your favourite corporate brand.

The way this post is written shows that you are getting angry. How about we take a breather for a second.
You have shown an extreme level of immaturity and for that I will not take your posts seriously anymore if you do reply. I'm just going save a couple KBs and ignore you.
There is a difference between criticism and expressing hate towards a company and you are not in any position to call others out when have done the same thing countless times. And to even accuse these members of being fanboys just shows how childish you are acting.
Common sense should tell you that if several people are telling you the same thing (and even looking at your history) then you are likely wrong.
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Oh and unless Siri is just bat-**** crazy right now, I'm pretty sure 'petulance' means:

the quality of being childishly sulky or bad-tempered.

Somebody in this thread was using this word incorrectly.

 

[44267547]

The way this post is written shows that you are getting angry. How about we take a breather for a second. You have shown an extreme level of immaturity and for that I will not take your posts seriously anymore if you do reply. I'm just going save a couple KBs and ignore you.
There is a difference between criticism and expressing hate towards a company and you are not in any position to call others out when have done the same thing countless times. And to even accuse these members of being fanboys just shows how childish you are acting.
Common sense should tell you that if several people are telling you the same thing (and even looking at your history) then you are likely wrong.
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Oh and unless Siri is just bat-**** crazy right now, I'm pretty sure 'petulance' means:



Somebody in this thread was using this word incorrectly.

@TMRJIJ. You nailed it. I was originally going to reply to @bladerunner2000, others and yourself have thoroughly taken care Of that. It's very evident he struggles with using the term 'Petulant' and blatantly chastises other forum members with snark comments, with gassed responses, showing he has nothing to contribute with substance.

Back on topic, With the Note 7 being banned on flights, I know there is a lot of disagreeing on this thread, that being said; I think safety is the most Important consideration and really is the only option at this point.

 

[canadianreader]

Samsung decided to create a PR department in the wake of this catastrophe

 

[Suckfest 9001]

Yeah, because the Mac Pro that sells for like 4 grand with a GPU from 2012 is SUCH A GOOD DEAL! Anyway, the 960 is used for some gaming, which I don't do a whole lot and when I do it doesn't require more than what I got.

But NICE try on downplaying the hardware when it still craps all over everything Apple, LMAO.
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Oh here we go! Technical talk from an Apple fanboy, hahaha... yeah, because getting more RAM is baaaaaad! BAAAAD! Why else would Apple make the Mac Pro handle so much RAM... because..... you know, difficulty in understanding how UNIX allocates RAM and stuff... right? Right?
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Because the criticisms I point out are VALID! Seems like you cant handle criticism of your favourite corporate brand.

You do sound pretty mad.

Once again, I wasn't defending Apple hardware. I don't even own a Mac desktop - I too built my own computer with the 4790K as well.

I was just pointing out your terrible choice of GPU.

Do take a break from MacRumors occasionally - you really do seem a bit tense these days.

 

[X38]

Wow. Couldn't he just ban it without resorting to Chicken Little language?

Nothing like frightening the public in order to justify your job. Not to mention adding to the ignorance of the public about flight dangers in general. Sigh.

So if "even one" incident is a high risk, then why haven't they heeded previous calls to ban electronics, calls that arose after iPhones and other devices have caught fire on airplanes?

(Answer: because they know that cabin smartphone fires are -- and have been each time so far -- easily handled by crews trained for it because of their own airline-provided devices, and because the mass public would have a hissy fit if the majority couldn't use their smartphones and tablets onboard.)

It was clear that what they were referring to by "even one incident" was the risk inflight fire. As somebody who has actually dealt with an inflight fire, it's pretty obvious to me that you really don't have any idea just how serious such incidents are. Remember that the first report of a replacement Samsung failing was on an airliner preparing for departure. Had that phone cooked off a few minutes later once the airplane was in flight, the story would have been dramatically more serious.
The language used in the official statement is entirely justified on the grounds of quickly getting wide spread public attention on this matter since controlling this hazard will obviously require cooperation from the public. Anything less would have been irresponsible. If some other device starts exhibiting a similar propensity for catastrophic failures, I'm sure these agencies will react in a similar manner.

 

[dilbert99]

Apple is loving this.

At least Samsung can fix the battery issue and launch the Note 8.
I'm stuck with an available iPhone that I don't want to buy because it doesn't come with an in built standard audio port and I doubt Apple will have the "courage" to put one back in be it 3.5mm or usb-c.
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Where is the new MacBook Pro?

Apple had issues with exploding batteries so decided to delay it a few years while they fixed the issue

 

[alexgowers]

The financial cost was revised by Samsung and is now estimated at over $5B.

I think it'll be much much higher, the profit alone from a single year is above that figure. $5B might be actual cost impact of recalling the device but it's much higher if you include the loss of profit for 1-2 years from that phone. I don't think they'll go under but it might just slow them down for a bit.
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Pretty amazing how times have changed, eh? Smoking on an airplane... who thought that was a good idea to begin with?

There were and still are toilet fires, as people continue to puff while flying despite a ban on smoking. I actually remember as a kid having to sit near a smoking section on a plane and how unbearable it was. I'm glad those days are gone.

 

[BlueParadox]

Celebrating is the opposite of petulance. Petulance is being ill-tempered or sulking in a childish manner. Not to mention the sheer hypocrisy in your posting history....

Indeed. Every time he misuses the word, the classic scene from THE PRINCESS BRIDE come to mind: "Inconceivable!"

 

[Zedcars]

No, it's petulance. Lots of macrumors members are celebrating. Don't deny it.

I'm so confused by this comment. How is that even remotely related to petulance?

From the Oxford English Dictionary:

Definition of petulance in English:
petulance


NOUN

• [mass noun] The quality of being childishly sulky or bad-tempered.
  
  ‘a slight degree of petulance had crept into his voice’

 

[deany]

change word 'tape' to 'note 7'

 

[Swift]

So are macrumors members. It's called petulance.

No, it's schadenfreud.
[doublepost=1476522416][/doublepost]Well, that must hurt. That's about $10 billion that cost, over a year, or according to an analyst, I don't know what. Bloomberg says they rushed it out to get the jump on the iPhone 7. I'd like to know the real story, as they figure out how to get the trustability back. It took them a while to put Tylenol back on the market, and they redesigned the bottle cap so you could tell if they had been tampered with. They're going to have to spend some money to change people's minds back to what Samsung once represented: great quality, and cheaper than the Japanese.

 

[Glideslope]

Another item TSA will be looking for....longer lines?

SO what if someone has a phone, does TSA make them toss it in the trash like all the other things you can't take on a plane??? lol

Yup. The TSA will make this a nightmare. My condolences to anyone flying commercial today at 12:01 EDT.

 

[apolloa]

My thought, half way through a business trip, what do you do. The phone is an essential part of your business. Glad I do not need to make that call. Wish all of the folks with these challenges all the best.

You go and get a full refund plus an extra $100 plus keep any gifts you got for pre-ordering. And then you go and buy a new phone.

And if you don't do that before trying to fly, we can only assume the person is either pretty arrogant perhaps believing the rules don't apply to them, or they've manged to miss all the media coverage of the ban.

 

[Glideslope]

Yeah, this could just be the tip of the iceberg. Let's hope Apple keeps a closer eye on their battery suppliers because can you imagine the hit Apple would take if they had to discontinue one of their iPhone models only a month or two after release. Samsung has now set a precedent when it comes to recalling a major product with a equally major defect that Apple wouldn't be able to avoid without serious fallout. In other words, Apple better keep a tight leash on their suppliers since some of them may be overestimating their capabilities and/or lowering their QC in pursuit of increased profits/meeting deadlines. Companies like Samsung and Apple must also be realistic with their schedules and not introduce an element of fear in their suppliers that pressure them to go beyond their true capabilities.

Samsung's problem was more Horrid QC, Engineering Errors, and lust to be first, than a battery issue.

 

[DakotaGuy]

No, it's schadenfreud.
[doublepost=1476522416][/doublepost]Well, that must hurt. That's about $10 billion that cost, over a year, or according to an analyst, I don't know what. Bloomberg says they rushed it out to get the jump on the iPhone 7. I'd like to know the real story, as they figure out how to get the trustability back. It took them a while to put Tylenol back on the market, and they redesigned the bottle cap so you could tell if they had been tampered with. They're going to have to spend some money to change people's minds back to what Samsung once represented: great quality, and cheaper than the Japanese.

There isn't really that much to celebrate here. Now if Samsung decides after this there isn't much profit in the mobile division and pulls the plug on mobile then you might have a reason to celebrate.

Samsung sells a lot of phones, but relies on the flagship models (S7 series and Note) to make a profit. If those lines become too damaged in the market maybe they will decide to give it all up.

Apple losing major competition could do a lot to drive sales and increase profits, but I seriously doubt this will drive Samsung out of the mobile market. If anything it probably just motivated them more.

 

[apolloa]

Not to mention a wildly disproportionate computer. A 4790K, 32GB, and...a 960? Really? What is this, a third world country?

Reading your sig at least he has a computer, rather then clinging onto the hope like you that apparently you'll have a new MacBook Pro in 2018?!?!?!?! Is that just wishful thinking or are you saving money? Why not buy a Macbook Pro now? I mean surely it must be superior to the other guys 'disproportionate' computer?
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Samsung's problem was more Horrid QC, Engineering Errors, and lust to be first, than a battery issue.

Funny, I think the exact same of Apple sometimes, bar the battery comment.
Their is not any proof yet as to what the actual cause is, yet MacRumors members act like they've fully investigated and reported and concluded the exact cause of the faults, and Samsung wanted to be first, with nothing.

 

[luigiBoschin]

Another item TSA will be looking for....longer lines?

SO what if someone has a phone, does TSA make them toss it in the trash like all the other things you can't take on a plane??? lol

Only if it is a junk copy called Samsung Galaxy 7

 

[shplock]

No, it's petulance. Lots of macrumors members are celebrating. Don't deny it.

ERM It is not petulance actually, to want to hold Samsung to account for the shoddy way that they obviously designed and created the Note 7 then the even poorer way that they handled the whole fiasco.

I do not wish to sound pious or anything but look at how many adverts Samsung runs about Apple and it's products such as the iPhone not being able to do this or do that. Look at what a noise Samsung made about the whole bend gate issue only to then find out that their phones were far worse.
They use a negative approach to attack Apple, when Apple do not use the same approach.

I would argue that it is Samsung being petulant because they have at least been caught being so.
yes some members on this site MAY be a little petulant but hey they are human and so are you.
So we are all entitled to our opinion and should remember that whilst we may disagree with another person's opinion we should respect their right to air it, such as I respect your right to your opinion even though I believe that your wrong.
I would further argue that it is nigh on impossible with this issue to make ANY point without it seeming petulant.
Samsung have royally messed up and messed up big time, that is simply stating the facts.
What we should, at the end of the day, remember is that this so easily could have cost someone their life or bought down a plane etc.
So let us all hope that Samsung has learnt it's lesson on this and hope that they will be held to account in whatever manner is appropriate, to prevent it happening again.
Finally let us hope that this spurs them on into innovating and not just copying so that it in turn spurs other companies to do the same and we the consumer benefit from technological progress.

 

[wschutz]

I think this is too much and likely state help for US mobile manufacturing companies.

If Samsung has not been able to reproduce the issue with their inner knowledge of the phone... how is it possible that a US agency can make certain conclusions on such device without even consulting the affected company?

Yes, there is a problem but I think that paranoia and likely lobbyists are pushing the line too far. What proof has the the Department of Transportation to interfere a market in such a way? And it is even worst if we think a bit more outside the box of a plane... that safety issue applies for everything not just planes, right? Or a bus, train, metro are protected by default?

 

[shplock]

How do you know Samsung pushed the Note 7 to market before it was ready? They generally release a new one on a 1 year product cycle just like the S7 series. It wouldn't have mattered if it was announced in August or October, the development and manufacturing of the phone would have been finalized.

According to the most recent reports, Samsung still doesn't know what is causing the issue.

If the 1 in 40,000+ are affected stat is true, then the few hundred prototypes Samsung built may have never been affected by the problem.

Apple designed and released a faulty iPhone 4, thankfully it didn't catch fire. These things happen........

Thanks to the BBC we know that people who were at a meeting where the Note 7 was signed off for being ready to manufacture said it was rushed. They said that the meetings was full of execs high living each other and telling each other how great a job they had done and there was no attempt by anyone to ask critical questions relating to quality or process etc.
The decision to rush to market by about 10 days to beat the iPhone 7 launch meant that there was extra pressure placed upon many development teams. it meant that those teams were then cutting corners to not only cram extra features in but to also get them ready and thus quality control and effective testing suffers.
there seems not to have been any real testing all the way through and instead quality control was tacked on at the end.
Think of it this way, when I used to build computers we would test at every stage of build. We would test with the motherboard in the case so that we could check the reset button/power button and all LEDs worked.
Then we would test with the graphics card in place and POST , then so on and so on.
That way we could identify any problem that occurred along the way and what was causing it.
So the decision to rush seems to play a part in what has happened.
Though the problem is more complex than just that, it certainly has not made it any easier.