Samsung's Galaxy Note 7 Smartphone Banned From All U.S. Flights

[Radon87000]

I'll admit I'm a little impressed with the amount of attention you've been paying to the forums here.

A new MacRumors member and he knows many forum regulars already. Amazing.

You can't win against confirmation bias and sadly every memeber you called out are convinced they're pursuing their arugments without equivocation and logical fallacies. Best to block them and wait for posters who are truly balanced and nuanced and insightful with their posts.

You won this forum, sir... and gave me the exact names of the people I need to block.

Whats ironical is the fact that we are not the ones suspended from this forum.This is the probably alternate account of lagwagon who got himself suspended over a month ago

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/no-time-travel.1983661/#post-23145819

You're aware it's possible to read the forums without having an account, right? Amazing. I'm so packed with reading innovation I just might explode.

sssh. Hear that? That's the sound of a 1000 Samsung fanboys crying out while hitting the report button.

lol

Let's see, bladerunner2000 tried to take the high road, despite his entire post history being the very same thing he complains about, except against Apple. kdarling has tried changing the subject with correct but irrelevant facts. now we just need mi7tchy to post links from isolated iPhone fires from 2014 and radon87000 to unironically claim that the Note explodes from "too much innovation" (despite having quite literally nothing about it that's an innovation this year, other than exploding which is admittedly novel) and the circle of life is complete.

Ah what do we have here.A guy getting his main A/c suspended trying to call us out.So cute.No need to worry about us using the report button.The mods should find out shortly

Oh and btw,that part about too much innovation?Its a quote from iVerge,you know the official Apple paid reviewers.Learn to read posts in their entirety before making false claims.Jokes on you

http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/12/...why-the-note-7-keeps-catching-fire-nyt-claims

 

[TT_Guy]

Just to put things in perspective, a friend's girlfriend's iPhone 5c battery has just expanded inside the phone rendering it useless.

As per other videos on YouTube, there are iPhones that have caught fire too.

Samsung are the fall guy.

Note also that here in the UK, (Google it), over 100 refrigerators and other appliances made by Beko, a dodgy Turkish white goods company, have caught fire, many leading to casualties. It was in the news, but has been covered up by our government so we can remain on good terms with Turkey for geopolitical reasons.

Thank the Lord some of us have our ears close the ground.

Just 'sayin!

 

[shplock]

You procreated? Oh no.... I don't care that you did. What does it have ANYTHING to do with the fact that you fail to logic? You equate calling out petulance with something else.
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LOL 'totes'... for some reason I both love and hate that word. I've really only heard really ditzy girls say that.

ERM you calling most people on here then not only wanting the last say all the time but also making the same point over and over again seems to me to be, I don't know....petulant!
Maybe sir you should quit while you are not ahead.
Yes some people here might be a little petulant as you put it though I would suggest that all people can be petulant (even you) and we are not robots nor should we be, so let us move on and remember that Samsung dropped the ball on this.
They messed up, same as a lot of companies have done and will do so. We should therefore hope that ALL companies learn from this and that nobody dies or gets seriously hurt.
So no offence but move on.
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No, we're all fine with that. So long as we have devices that aren'y sitting time bombs.

I think he forgot the following points;
1. In relation to the Tax evasion point. Apple has stated that it paid all taxes in Ireland and Ireland has also stated that all taxes were paid and furthermore that no preferential treatment was given to Apple. Also that Apple are appealing the ruling by the EU and also Ireland are too, so that does not make it fact yet.

2. Planned obsolescence has not ben proven to exist in Apple devices. Not supporting them after a certain time, yes. deliberately making them unusable after a certain time period, nope. All tech firms stop supporting their products after a certain period from Microsoft with Windows XP to Apple and Iphones/Macs etc.
That does not mean you can not use them still, only that officially the company does not support them.
it is still you choice to use it or upgrade/buy newer stuff.

3.False advertising, he does not say what the false advertising was/is and how it was proven to be false. So in the light of a lack of substance that too can not be ruled as fact

So if I were you I would ignore him as he obviously can not accept the fact that most people on this site are just taking the view point that what goes around comes around. That samsung has been petulant and a lot of it's fanboys have been petulant and vitriolic to say the least.
Every time Apple makes any mistake no matter how small samsung and it's fans make a song and dance about it. So why can't Apple fans do the same?
having said that I would hope that as I keep saying we remember that people could get hurt by this or worse killed.
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Yeah, because the Mac Pro that sells for like 4 grand with a GPU from 2012 is SUCH A GOOD DEAL! Anyway, the 960 is used for some gaming, which I don't do a whole lot and when I do it doesn't require more than what I got.

But NICE try on downplaying the hardware when it still craps all over everything Apple, LMAO.
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Oh here we go! Technical talk from an Apple fanboy, hahaha... yeah, because getting more RAM is baaaaaad! BAAAAD! Why else would Apple make the Mac Pro handle so much RAM... because..... you know, difficulty in understanding how UNIX allocates RAM and stuff... right? Right?
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Because the criticisms I point out are VALID! Seems like you cant handle criticism of your favourite corporate brand.

And you can't handle VALID criticisms of your stance

 

[BvizioN]

I.e. in cabin fires are not a huge threat at all. In-hold checked baggage fires, on the other hand, are immensely deadly, and it's just a matter of time before a checked tablet or other lithium cell device brings down an airliner, if people don't pay attention to the rules.

You are probably right. But in an airplane cruising at over 40.000 ft altitude, fire is the last thing you need and it doesn't matter how well trained the cabin crew are, "calm down" and "everything is gonna be alright" are just not gonna cut it to the terrified passengers, particularly kids and elderly.
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Where's the recall for touch disease defect with iPhone 6 and 6 Plus?

I miss the part where touch disease iPhone's put people's life at risk!

 

[Ramchi]

I'd call it Schadenfreude.

Apple wouldn't make an ad about Samsung's misfortune, but I'd bet a lot of money that if Apple had this dumpster fire of a fiasco... Samsung would be dancing with joy, running the type of petulant ads that Samsung is famous for.

Apple apologists would have blamed the Asian supplier LOL!!!

 

[JayJohnPaul]

What happens if your in mid flight when the ban takes affect?

Ejecto seato cuz!

 

[tentales]

ERM It is not petulance actually, to want to hold Samsung to account for the shoddy way that they obviously designed and created the Note 7 then the even poorer way that they handled the whole fiasco.

How else should they have "handled" it ? Apart from launching it later and doing more testing.
After 30 or so Note 7 phones blew up, there wasn't much else to do but 1) try and switch batteries and when that failed, 2) take it off-market and offer refunds plus a $100 mea culpa voucher.

I do not wish to sound pious or anything but look at how many adverts Samsung runs about Apple and it's products such as the iPhone not being able to do this or do that. Look at what a noise Samsung made about the whole bend gate issue only to then find out that their phones were far worse.
They use a negative approach to attack Apple, when Apple do not use the same approach.

Apple doesn't need to use the same approach, they're the 800 pound gorilla nowadays.
When they weren't, they were deploying the same attack ads vs PCs ("I'm a Mac.." campaign). Albeit, they did it with more creative jest than what Samsung has used.

I would further argue that it is nigh on impossible with this issue to make ANY point without it seeming petulant.

Indeed, this thread has become somewhat petulant about the semantics.
I contend to my original description of calling the Samsung bashing about the Note 7 Schadenfreude because it is the gleeful expression of another entity's misfortune. But 'nuff o' that!

I get both sides of the argument here. It's flogging a dead horse now, because fanboys will be fanboys and attempts at correcting that seem utterly futile and as anger & frustration builds, people's eloquent use of subtle profanities is only going to lead to moderator warnings or suspensions.

To summarize. Samsung screwed up and is paying the price. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Apple has had mishaps also and given the collective frustration of aging Macs, slowing sales, is in no position to gloat and neither should their fans.

To be clear, I've been an Apple enthusiast for 30 years and have a plethora of Apple devices dating back to the 1980s, but things change and sometimes not for the better. It's ok to call that out now and then in hope that Apple somehow hears us.

 

[Zedcars]

Samsung should remove the back cover and battery and replace it with a rechargeable game controller dock that the still good part of the phone can go in. They can sell it as a gaming device for $100 and reduce the amount they end up losing. The phone is still good, only the battery blows up. As long as the battery they go with doesn't blow up this time it would be a pretty cool device to have.

But since not even Samsung knows why the phones are spontaneously igniting, I would think even your suggestion may pose a potential risk. They already used different batteries for the replacements and they still caught fire; so it seems the batteries themselves may not be the problem (or possibly there was more than one problem).

 

[mazz0]

I'm confused - haven't they been recalled? Why does anyone still have one?

 

[blackcrayon]

Just to put things in perspective, a friend's girlfriend's iPhone 5c battery has just expanded inside the phone rendering it useless.

As per other videos on YouTube, there are iPhones that have caught fire too.

Samsung are the fall guy.
!

People keep bringing this up and I'm assuming they're being intentionally ignorant. YES we know lithium polymer batteries from anywhere can ignite. We are talking about a product with a far, far higher risk of doing so. I don't understand this "hey a little bit is equal to a lot!" logic.

If any iPhone had the same rate of "combustion" these Note 7s apparently have, you would be seeing hundreds of reports by now, if not thousands.

 

[JayJohnPaul]

I'm confused - haven't they been recalled? Why does anyone still have one?

Cause loyal Samsung fanboys.

 

[zone23]

Maybe its just me but I'm not seeing the problem.
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Cause loyal Samsung fanboys.

That and people are just a$$ hats, same people that driving around texting.

 

[kdarling]

What happens if you're in mid flight when the ban takes affect?

Then or afterward...

"Persons covered by this Order who inadvertently bring a prohibited Samsung Galaxy Note 7 device aboard an aircraft must immediately power off the device, leave it powered off until no longer aboard the aircraft, not use or charge the device while aboard the aircraft, protect the device from accidental activation, including disabling any features that may turn on the device, such as alarm clocks, and keep the device on their person and not in the overhead compartment, seat back pocket, nor in any carry- on baggage, for the duration of the flight."

 

[skitidetdu]

Opens a market for protections cases disguising the phone as an iphone

 

[lyngo]

Apr 7, 1994, a FedEx Flight 705 made an emergency landing in upstate New York when a fire broke out inside one of the packages in the cargo containers onboard. Luckily the crew quickly landed, and 5 people got off the plane safely before it was destroyed by fire. I don't think they found out exactly what started the fire, but it was from a package. It could have been a battery, or fuel, or something else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Express_Flight_705

Did you even read your Wikipedia entry note?

 

[citysnaps]

So are macrumors members. It's called petulance.

You don't understand the meaning of the word.
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I think it'll be much much higher, the profit alone from a single year is above that figure. $5B might be actual cost impact of recalling the device but it's much higher if you include the loss of profit for 1-2 years from that phone. I don't think they'll go under but it might just slow them down for a bit.

The long-term good-will loss will be even greater, reflecting current and potential customers losing trust with the Samsung brand in general, going beyond phones.

 

[wovel]

Wow. Couldn't he just ban it without resorting to Chicken Little language?

Nothing like frightening the public in order to justify your job. Not to mention adding to the ignorance of the public about flight dangers in general. Sigh.

So if "even one" incident is a high risk, then why haven't they heeded previous calls to ban electronics, calls that arose after iPhones and other devices have caught fire on airplanes?

(Answer: because they know that cabin smartphone fires are -- and have been each time so far -- easily handled by crews trained for it because of their own airline-provided devices, and because the mass public would have a hissy fit if the majority couldn't use their smartphones and tablets onboard.)

The shoe bomber was easily handled too. Why do we bother banning bombs.

 

[npmacuser5]

You go and get a full refund plus an extra $100 plus keep any gifts you got for pre-ordering. And then you go and buy a new phone.

And if you don't do that before trying to fly, we can only assume the person is either pretty arrogant perhaps believing the rules don't apply to them, or they've manged to miss all the media coverage of the ban.

Sorry you missed my point. The day before the total ban you are on the opposite side of the country on a business trip. So you now have to interrupt the trip, go find a retailer, exchange your phone, program the phone, all before you get on the plane home or next business distinction. If that happened to me, Samsung would owe me way more then $100. That $100 would not even cover an hour of my lost business time. Or for that matter the $100 does not even cover my non-business time. Points out how poorly Samsung has handled this mess. They just do not get it, especially for business.

 

[Davelfc]

I'm a little amused at the moment, mainly because of the snidey little adverts that Samsung (and others) come out with every time there's a 'gate' with an iPhone. Call it karma or whatever, this is going to hurt Samsung badly (more than the copyright war) and I don't see Apple rubbing their noses in it, different class Apple really.

I'm also a little concerned because we need competition to keep Apple on its toes, otherwise they think they can blag us by removing a headphone jack and improving a camera and calling it the best iPhone ever. Blagging people with that takes real courage.

It's hard to see how they can come back from this though, once your brand is associated with fires on planes you are automatically tied in with the whole fear of flying stuff. Most people here know their onions, they aren't going to swerve a brand because it has had an issue with its battery causing fires on one of its phones. There's a hell of a lot of people that are not as savvy, they will just avoid any Samsung "oooh that Samsung causes fires on planes" no matter what the model.

This cannot be compared to technical design issues that cause poor signal, bending and screen faults. At the end of the day those issues don't directly have the potential to kill people. A self igniting phone is a very frightening thing indeed, most sleep with their phone right next to them on the bedside cabinet. Parents often pass their phone to their toddler to watch Dora or some other kids tv show. You often have your phone right next to your body in a clothes or jeans pocket.

I want Samsung to be able to recover from this, to provide decent competition for Apple and to keep pushing the limits of what smartphones can do for us. Then Apple respond by coming up with innovative ways to use the technology instead of just stuffing it on the phone to add to the spec list.

 

[Luscious]

Epic failure by Copysung ... er Samsung. Why by an iPhone knockoff that will literally burn through your pocket when you can get the genuine article? Just buy an iPhone.

 

[Suckfest 9001]

Reading your sig at least he has a computer, rather then clinging onto the hope like you that apparently you'll have a new MacBook Pro in 2018?!?!?!?! Is that just wishful thinking or are you saving money? Why not buy a Macbook Pro now? I mean surely it must be superior to the other guys 'disproportionate' computer?

I have several computers, including a superior custom built PC and a top of the line MacBook Pro 15".

My sig served exactly one purpose, and looking at your angsty reply, it did beautifully.

 

[edhawk1965]

Yeah, I'd love to see your average TSA agent try to tell a Galaxy Note 7 apart from any other Samsung cell phone.

You mean turn it over and look at the back, where there in big chrome font it says Galaxy Note 7?
Even TSA can accomplish this.

 

[Tubamajuba]

Because the criticisms I point out are VALID! Seems like you cant handle criticism of your favourite corporate brand.

Your pages upon pages of criticism over the most minor Apple-related things is valid, but criticism against Samsung for an exploding phone is invalid.

In this thread, you have been the exact type of person that you criticize.

Funny, I think the exact same of Apple sometimes, bar the battery comment.
Their is not any proof yet as to what the actual cause is, yet MacRumors members act like they've fully investigated and reported and concluded the exact cause of the faults, and Samsung wanted to be first, with nothing.

Ah, okay. I get it. It's completely okay for people to make mountains out of molehills and jump to conclusions with Apple products, but we're supposed to be patient and wait for things to play out when it's Samsung or anyone else that is experiencing issues.

 

[OC40]

8:57am PT. The flight attendant asked everyone with a Note 7 to power down. Missed the deadline by three minutes.

 

[totes_not_lagwagon]

Looks like it's not just innovation that causes (f)androids to explode...

Flying tomorrow and leaving at least an extra hour for this debacle. Thanks Samsung