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My big concern about this, and has been since day one, that it could lead to an outright ban of lithium ion batteries on planes - phones, laptops, everything banned. Want electronics on your trip? Rent in your destination. I could see it happening...
 
Is it not the the job of the CPSC to get involved, isn't that what they are there for?
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It certainly is!

Samsung had a duty to notify the CPSC and bring them on board to collaborate and coordinate the situation in the US. Sadly, Samsung did not do that early on thinking they could keep things quite and the problem contained. Shameful behavior.

Fortunately, US television news organizations got wind of the problem opening the evening news with stores about fires and the situation.

Samsung should have brought in CPSC right from the start, as they are supposed to do.
 
What has Samsung said the problem is? The battery? Last I knew, they were not saying. But there was a significant enough amount of them burning up that they needed taken out of production. If it was as simple as a faulty battery, why scrap the whole phone?

I meant it as in the battery are the bits that catch fire or blow up, not that they are always the fault.
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It certainly is!

Samsung had a duty to notify the CPSC and bring them on board to collaborate and coordinate the situation in the US. Sadly, Samsung did not do that early on thinking they could keep things quite and the problem contained. Shameful behavior.

Fortunately, US television news organizations got wind of the problem opening the evening news with stores about fires and the situation.

Samsung should have brought in CPSC right from the start, as they are supposed to do.

Is their any proof as to when they did inform them in relation to when they had the first devices catch fire? Has the CPSC claimed Samsung should have informed them earlier?
 
My big concern about this, and has been since day one, that it could lead to an outright ban of lithium ion batteries on planes - phones, laptops, everything banned. Want electronics on your trip? Rent in your destination. I could see it happening...

Number of models of laptops, tablets or mobile phones unilaterally banned from air travel prior to the Note 7: 0

Not happening. It's an exception.
 
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I meant it as in the battery are the bits that catch fire or blow up, not that they are always the fault.
Yes, batteries are flammable, that's nothing new. Seems like you were trying to justify Samsung selling a phone that randomly catches fire by saying that batteries are the problem.
 
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Samsung had a duty to notify the CPSC and bring them on board to collaborate and coordinate the situation in the US. Sadly, Samsung did not do that early on thinking they could keep things quite and the problem contained. Shameful behavior.

Pre-announcing a recall is not uncommon for companies who want it known that they're doing it voluntarily.

Apple themselves did the same thing earlier this year when they recalled 800,000+ travel adapter kits because of a shock hazard. Well, except they took much longer to acknowledge there was a problem:
  • 2003 - 2015 - Apple gets reports of malfunctioning adapters.
  • 2016/01/28 - Apple finally announces a "Voluntary Recall & Exchange Program".
  • 2016/02/18 - THREE WEEKS LATER, the CPSC announces an official recall.
So the one week it took for Samsung to acknowledge the problem from the first reports of fire, and then the two weeks between Samsung's recall announcement on 2016/09/02 and the CPSC recall announcement on 016/09/15 (that's one week less than Apple), don't seem so bad in comparison.
 
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Petulance - the quality of being childishly sulky or bad-tempered.

(Sulky - morose, bad-tempered, and resentful; refusing to be cooperative or cheerful)

I.e., being petulant specifically excludes any form of celebrating.

versus:

Schadenfreude - pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune

I believe schadenfreude is what you really mean to say, and I don't think any reasonable person would deny there is plenty of that happening now. On the other hand, I struggle to imagine how any of the reactions of the apple fan base could be perceived as petulance. In any case, it's a far stretch.

Basically, I'm saying you're right, if what you really meant was 'schadenfreude'. If you really meant 'petulance', then I cannot disagree more.

I meant childish (always thought that is what petulance was) but schadenfreude definitely applies. I don't understand why anyone would celebrate a companies failures. How does it affect them?
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Don't macrumors members also like it when Apple is having problems, too? Each side calls the others kettle black.

Probably... maybe? I donno. I'm just here to rant about the stupid things apple does and hopefully they fix things, specifically OS X.
 
Give Apple the benefit of the doubt for what? I would be very surprised if they are as generous if the iPhone started catching fire left and right! But thankfully these things don't happen all the time, well not enough to cause concern anyway.
And it's not a big deal, the media is making it out to be, but it's been correctly handled.

The big deal are the battery's but you would need to stop using all your Lithium powers devices to be happy about it, but we don't as life goes on, and it's incredibly rare to be burnt by a Lithium powered device. Out of the billions and billions and billions sold, the number of faulty devices INCLUDING the Note 7 is utterly tiny.

Apple issues matter just as much, but I do not know how the CPSC gets involved with those as I only know of one fire risk recall, with the iPod Nano First gen device.

Do you think that Samsung did overreact with the complete cancellation of the Note 7? (Which would reflect a very poor decision, business-wise, had it not been a necessary step)

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I meant childish (always thought that is what petulance was) but schadenfreude definitely applies. I don't understand why anyone would celebrate a companies failures. How does it affect them?
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Probably... maybe? I donno. I'm just here to rant about the stupid things apple does and hopefully they fix things, specifically OS X.

I don't know either, strangely enough it's a very common behaviour on message boards, especially when they are dedicated to a specific platform (minus windows mobile, maybe, those guys seem to be realistic about the desolate state of their preferred platform ;-) ).
 
Why would you want to? Why would waste any time wondering about random post on the internet?

The better question is why does it matter to you?

You're one of these people. So instead of dodging the question; WHY do you care if Samsung fails or succeeds?
 
You're one of these people.
OK
So instead of dodging the question; WHY do you care if Samsung fails or succeeds?
Not clear what you're getting at here.

In any event, you stated you don't understand something in regard to why people would take a certain action, namely celebration of companies failure.
Why even think about it? Who cares why they celebrate a companies failure.
If it will you improve your life somehow to understand this behavior it would be interesting to know how so.[/QUOTE]
 
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About time we got a new ad, remember the one with 'iPhone' users lined up charging there phones. I want one with Note 7 users lined up watching the Apple users pass them to get onto their flight.

The funny thing about the wallhuggers ad is that Samsung made their batteries fixed (as in glued in, not as in "repaired". Something which should be obvious in the light of recent events) a year or two later. After their jab at the keynote about the headphone port, expect them to "rethink" that particular piece of functionality in another year or so.

The stupidest part is, all jokes aside, I don't think Samsung even need to copy Apple anymore. They have their own "voice". It seems like a reflex with them.
 
They really need to do release a definitive statement on what went wrong. If they just shrug and stick with their statement of not knowing how is anyone meant to have any faith in new devices?

Last I heard, they couldn't tell definitively what the cause was. That seems to make sense given the fact that the some of the replacement devices exhibited the same behavior. They will have to figure it out and release details about what they're doing to prevent the same fate for future devices. If they don't do that, their smartphone business may well follow suit and go up in flames.
 
Last I heard, they couldn't tell definitively what the cause was. That seems to make sense given the fact that the some of the replacement devices exhibited the same behavior. They will have to figure it out and release details about what they're doing to prevent the same fate for future devices. If they don't do that, their smartphone business may well follow suit and go up in flames.

It really is that serious I think. However a lot of people seem to be calling for fast answers, fast release of a new device, fast whatever and I think that's the worst thing they could do. They should, (imo as an armchair CEO :p) take their time and find the right answers and the right design. Until shown otherwise it feels like they might be going for the "if we just keep quiet people will forget about it" approach and I feel like that will not end well.
 
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About time we got a new ad, remember the one with 'iPhone' users lined up charging there phones. I want one with Note 7 users lined up watching the Apple users pass them to get onto their flight.
How about one showing boxing and unboxing?:p
 
I meant childish (always thought that is what petulance was) but schadenfreude definitely applies. I don't understand why anyone would celebrate a companies failures. How does it affect them?
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Probably... maybe? I donno. I'm just here to rant about the stupid things apple does and hopefully they fix things, specifically OS X.

I guess the better question is - how does our celebrating affect you? It certainly affected you enough to make you want to highlight that fact on a Samsung post on Engadget. So what is it?

"Oh, I don't laugh at Samsung's misstep. That somehow makes me a way better person than the other people here who did."

It seems like you are saying all these things to insult and denigrate the forum posters here while allowing yourself to take the moral high ground.

And maybe you are the better person, in which case you might want to consider leaving this place to us "degenerates" if you feel you are getting too good for this place.
 
About time we got a new ad, remember the one with 'iPhone' users lined up charging there phones. I want one with Note 7 users lined up watching the Apple users pass them to get onto their flight.
As much as I like the concept, Apple should take the high road on this type of issue. Kicking someone when they are down, not a good strategy in the long run. Samsung was poking fun at an Apple choice not a problem.
 
As much as I like the concept, Apple should take the high road on this type of issue. Kicking someone when they are down, not a good strategy in the long run. Samsung was poking fun at an Apple choice not a problem.

Someone will likely point out the "Mac vs PC" ads or Bertrand Serlet's jab at Vista during the Leopard(?) keynote but those are very much different. In the former case they were generally light hearted jabs at problems that plagued Windows of the era and in the latter a mildly mean spirited (but hilariously funny and entirely deserved imo) jab at Micorosoft's issues delivering Vista and it's eventual "inspiration" from Tiger.

Side note: I miss Bertrand Serlet and I miss 10.4.11 (the latter entirely for reasons of nostalgia) :(
 
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Pre-announcing a recall is not uncommon for companies who want it known that they're doing it voluntarily.

Apple themselves did the same thing earlier this year when they recalled 800,000+ travel adapter kits because of a shock hazard. Well, except they took much longer to acknowledge there was a problem:
  • 2003 - 2015 - Apple gets reports of malfunctioning adapters.
  • 2016/01/28 - Apple finally announces a "Voluntary Recall & Exchange Program".
  • 2016/02/18 - THREE WEEKS LATER, the CPSC announces an official recall.
So the one week it took for Samsung to acknowledge the problem from the first reports of fire, and then the two weeks between Samsung's recall announcement on 2016/09/02 and the CPSC recall announcement on 016/09/15 (that's one week less than Apple), don't seem so bad in comparison.

How about Apple's denial of the 2011 MacBook Pro GPU failures?
 
Oh come on. If this was Apple Samsung and others would already have commercials out. Remember this?

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Is that a real Ad ? I've never seen it.
Funny thing the iPhone is praying the note "please don't explode"
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Apple fans should enjoy while they can.Samsung is pulling out all the stops next year and I can almost feel it that a gamechanging hardware is on the horizon.Buckle up amigos.We are in for one hell of a year next year
 
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