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Samsung's Galaxy Note 7 Smartphone Banned From All U.S. Flights
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So let me see if I get your logic right.
By Samsung's own PR spin, the whole Note 7 fiasco began because Samsung rushed out their product and released it before it was ready.
And now, your solution is to have Samsung do the same thing all over again? Because the only way they can "pull out all the stops" and cram in more features than they planned to is do precisely that - pack their next phone "full of innovation" with new gimmicky hardware that may not work right (if we are lucky) and plain outright fail (if unlucky).
Nobody is saying the Note 7 doesn't have enough features or functionality. Samsung is now having an image crisis, and what it needs to do is restore confidence in the brand. And I don't think the right way to do that is with another product which might seem rushed or half-baked.
The German magazine "c't" made a dozen purchases of "original" Samsung batteries on eBay a while ago.
All were fake. All.
It's one thing to try to find and buy a battery for a laptop or phone that is five years or more out of warranty and that the manufacturer doesn't service or support anymore in any way - but it's another thing to do that to a more recent device where manufacturer support is still available.
It was stupid to begin with, when the energy density of batteries was way less than what it is now.
With today's batteries' energy-density, it's just insane.
By Samsung's own admission, they couldn't figure out what was wrong with the Note 7 after the first recall but re-released it anyways and blatantly lied to consumers that the problem had been fixed.
What would you call that, if not purposely selling a phone which you expressly knew had a propensity to catch fire?
Two recalls for same problem: Firebombs.
First time: mistake.
Second time: make that dollar dollar bill.
What says that?
Nope, it's not a real ad, so I don't know why people keep reposting it. Some jokester on the internet made the image. The first version didn't even have "Samsung" on it; somebody else added that later.
Here are some REAL examples of companies gently mocking Apple over Bendgate, all from Twitter:
- Curved. Not bent. #GALAXYNoteEdge - Samsung Mobile
- Our phone doesn't bend, it flexes...on purpose. #bendgate - LG Mobile
- Designed to withstand the most demanding environments. Like your pockets. #HTCOneM8 - HTC
- Designed to bend. #bendgate - Burton Snowboards
- We don't bend, we #break. #bendgate #iPhone6plus - KitKat candy
- Bends rule! #bendgate #hyperbolicparabaloid - Pringles curvy chips
And the one with the best image:
- Dear Apple… #BendGate - Heineken Beer
While amusing, as a loyal Samsung customer because they became the Sony after Sony wet the bed aside from their televisions, I'll likely be skipping out getting an S8 and will stick with my S7 for the next generation and see how it fares out for Sammy. What Sammy did was disgusting. They put profit in front of customer relations, and if the latest leaks of them trying to hush customers is remotely true then they have a black mark on their record. Sammy will have to do something incredible and possibly lower their prices to gain consumer trust again. Additionally, this might spell trouble for Sammy as they make a lot of smaller components for other companies. It was amusing and sad to see people go around, in a large circle, the Samsung televisions at Costco. The same people who got very close to the presentation tables where the reps were cooking sausages with hot fat spitting on people. Sheesh.
Hey Guys,
Long time reader first time poster.
Just wanted to let everyone know that I just took a domestic flight tonight, Perth to Sydney (Australia or what we like to call 'Down Under, Mate' - jokes as no one calls it that here) and Airport Security was checking each and everyones phone to make sure we didnt have Galaxy Note 7's - there were also notice boards and P.A. messages informing everyone that you are not allowed in the airport lounge or to board a flight if you are a Galaxy Note 7 owner. The guy in front of me had a Samsung (wasnt even a Note) and he got pulled out of the line while they confirmed it wasnt a Note 7 lol.
Pretty severe reaction - now every single person has to have their Smartphone checked and approved at the airport - thanks Samsung!
Here is Qantas' offical statement (TOTAL BAN) http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/featured/qantas-group-statement-on-samsung-galaxy-note-7-total-ban/
Long time reader first time poster.
Just wanted to let everyone know that I just took a domestic flight tonight, Perth to Sydney (Australia or what we like to call 'Down Under, Mate' - jokes as no one calls it that here) and Airport Security was checking each and everyones phone to make sure we didnt have Galaxy Note 7's - there were also notice boards and P.A. messages informing everyone that you are not allowed in the airport lounge or to board a flight if you are a Galaxy Note 7 owner. The guy in front of me had a Samsung (wasnt even a Note) and he got pulled out of the line while they confirmed it wasnt a Note 7 lol.
Pretty severe reaction - now every single person has to have their Smartphone checked and approved at the airport - thanks Samsung!
Here is Qantas' offical statement (TOTAL BAN) http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/featured/qantas-group-statement-on-samsung-galaxy-note-7-total-ban/
I think what was said is that a burning phone in the airplane's hold is a massive danger, while a burning phone in the cabin is surely frightening (although I cannot see why kids who are inexperienced or elderly people who have seen it all would be more frightened) and can surely cause some injury, but should be brought under control quite quickly.
What you are basically saying is that the real danger is not a burning phones, but moronic passengers. Reasonable passengers would know that the best thing to do is to stay in your seat, and let the crew get a fire extinguisher and handle it.
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****. Never thought of that. Yes, telling me that I can't take my phone _on my flight home_ is a much, much bigger inconvenience. If I find out when I turn up at the airport that makes it a major inconvenience.
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Did they say anything about the actual quality and safety?
Samsung PR said that? Link?
In hindsight, we can knock Samsung a lot for their mistakes, but at least use facts, not fiction.
Samsung never said they couldn't figure it out the first time, but did a recall anyway. That doesn't even make sense on any level.
No company on the planet would intentionally spend billions putting out a known problem a second time, since it would have to be recalled as well.
Instead, it's clear that Samsung THOUGHT they had figured it out the first time. Or at least, their upper management was told that by lower level people. Anyone who's worked anywhere has seen this kind of thing before.
This also doesn't pass any logic test. If profit was the only motive, they'd have waited for more testing in order to prevent the end result of having to stop all sales, which leaves no profits.
If they were really trying to hush that customer, they'd have paid him off. It's also odd that owner waited days to say something. Instead, it sounds more like the customer was trying to blackmail Samsung and they were willing to let him go public instead. (The texter offered to try to slow him down, but obviously was told not to, since the guy did go public. Duh.)
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My take on the whole mess is that the younger incoming CEO, the son of the founder, has not yet learned to question his subordinates when they do the "yes" man thing. Occam's Razor.
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Get your eyes checked then. Samsung buys a defective battery>puts it in phone with virtually no testing>phone blows up-you blame battery, not Samsung>you defend every mistake online, like you messed up.
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He quoted me too. I assumed he was mad I told him the battery wasn't the problem, choosing to use a faulty battery was. But this person doesn't think Samsung is responsible for testing the devices they sell
Similar experience in South America last Thursday. It wasn't the airport security, but the airline staff at the gate during boarding. Everybody had to show their mobile device to prove they didn't have a Note7.
[doublepost=1476622787][/doublepost]"What end could be more fitting for the self-respecting modern human than death by a randomly exploding handset?" --> Nice article in The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/01/smartphones-exploding-handset
What happens if:
- You're travelling without a phone
- You show another phone, but you also flying with a Note 7.
If you are suggesting sneaking banned cargo on a plane, pretty sure we know what happens.
So you're saying that all of the times that Apple let an engineering mistake get through, it's because they did virtually no testing?
That's not how it works. Mistakes that make it through testing, are usually because the testing itself is flawed and/or didn't look in new potential problem areas.
This is a common problem -- tests often only look where previous problems are known!
For example, Antennagate happened not because Apple didn't do a lot of field testing, but because they made the field testers use cases to hide the new design. The tests were flawed because they had never faced that problem before.
Antennagate also partly happened because of Apple's secrecy culture, where people are discouraged from talking between groups, which might have revealed a problem. This same kind of compartmentalization also seems to be a factor in Samsung's recent mistakes.
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Sometimes it would simply take more testing than is practical. Bendgate was a good example. Mechanical engineers have pointed out that someone made a newbie mistake designing that side brace. Because of its length and connection points, it actually acted as a fulcrum for bends instead. But it didn't happen that often.
Likewise, the chances of Samsung's testers seeing the battery problem would've been about one in 40,000. Meaning even weeks of testing with thousands of devices (and maybe better batteries) would not see it happen. The real flaw in testing was not rigorously and constantly checking supplied batteries in the factories later on.
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To me, what's unusual now with Samsung's situation, is that while Apple's mistakes were found very quickly by third parties, nobody has figured out the Note 7 problem yet. It's especially odd since iFixit noted in their teardown that there was extra bracing around the battery compartment, which would prevent say, flexing, from being a factor.
I'm hoping that Samsung will find and reveal the problem. I think their lawyers might want to hide it, but to get back confidence, they'll have to display to everyone, that without a doubt it will not be repeated.
Actually your wrong, because they said they didn't know the cause of the fault AFTER the replacement devices had issues and NOT before, therefore they did not blatantly lie to anyone. I would call that as you mixing up the facts to suit your conspiracy theory.
Erm? It tells me they will lose a few billion dollars from this issue, and that makes a complete mockery of your theory.
So you are now claiming the battery is at fault? I'm confused with your posts, constantly contradicting yourself changing your opinions. Do you work for Samsung or the American safety board? How do you know that battery's were faulty please enlighten me. You've changed and twisted your goal posts are argument every time you make a comment... so now Samsung don't test the batteries!!! Please it's just as hilarious as it is ridiculous to state that.
Obviously Apple didn't do enough testing if they had to do a mass recall then cancel the product because they couldn't fix the problem. You are comparing a phone that lost signal when held a certain way to a phone that explodes(seemingly for no reason at all).
You say properly testing is not always practical, maybe not, but that doesn't make the people who sell the phone not responsible for the fault. If the new iPhone had to be recalled because it catches fire and you can't travel with it, I would not claim that it's not apples fault for missing it in testing.
Those are rhetorical questions, right?
Here are some more:
What happens if:
- You have a Note7 and slip into a another passenger's coat pocket, then retrieve once you're on the plane?
- You smuggle it onto the plane, then switch it on in the lavatory, before smoking a cigar and stealing toilet paper?
- You deny having a Note7, then once airborne you display it openly, and show fellow travellers your favourite ISIS propaganda videos?
- Mid-flight the pilot admits he has a Note7 and is using it right now?
- Inflight entertainment is switched off due to Note7 advertising?
Who knows "what if"...
Me work for Samsung? No, you seem to be in damage control. The above post
How do you know the batteries weren't defective? Samsung absolutely admitted there was an issue and led people to believe they had fixed it by giving replacements. Now we know they just sent out more explosives.
Get defensive apolloa, I enjoy watching.
Simulated real world testing is supposed to simulate real world use, in which case they should have found the issue. But nope here's 100$
Changed and twisted my goal posts? Tell me oh great apolloa, what exactly are my goals?
Apple never recalled the iPhone 4, they held a press conference where Steve Jobs told people they were holding and using the phone wrong, pretty pathetic for an obvious design flaw, they also offered free bumpers or case to cover up the antennas.
And just where has anyone claimed Samsung is not responsible out of interest?
And then it blew up and was banned on all foreign and domestic flight...oh wait
Yes you are twisting facts, and defensive? Erm no, just pointing out the FACT YOU HAVE NO IDEA IF THE BATTERYS ARE AT FAULT. You need to state these are your own hypothesised theories and opinions not based on any facts.
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What the hell are you on about? I think you need to go and sit down as your posts have become random rants that make zero sense.