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Well, I guess you'd better admit that Android and Windows are better OS's than what Apple offers then.

Until you understand what's behind the numbers. The numbers are certainly correct. How they came to be what they are is just as important. You can't divorce numbers from what they're based on.
 
Just to point out the biggest change around the time of the iPhone release was capative multi touch screens were finally cost effective to use. Before that they just cost way to much to use. Apple just jump on board right when they were becoming possible to use.

Interesting, it parallels the "Apple invented USB" myth.

Despite the facts that many Intel PCs had USB ports for nearly two years before the Imac, and that Windows 98 with native USB support came out in 1998 - many people believe that Apple launched USB.

It's closer to the truth that Apple saw the USB parade coming down the street, and cut to the front of the parade. The sheeple watching the parade concluded that Apple was leading it.

I wonder if it will take two years for TBolt to become mainstream? :rolleyes:
 
They have prototypes of test devices that may or may not be going to market at some time in the future. But it has *always* been Apple's policy to deny that any prototype produced by them is a specific market product. So they're on pretty firm ground there.

If a judge orders them to show their prototypes of future products and they can't specify which will and which will not reach market they will have to show all of them.
What?, do you think Apple's policy is above the law?
 
Until you understand what's behind the numbers. The numbers are certainly correct. How they came to be what they are is just as important. You can't divorce numbers from what they're based on.

I'm sorry but what are you on about?
 
You know, its really hard for any sensible person to get on a discussion with you.
I have seen a number of your posts. You have a basic argument and then you add fillers calling people fanboys and neglecting the outside-apple world. You arguments are just based on your subjective opinion looking at just one tiny bit of others quote and then you end up adding your silly rude words.

Look at every single comment of yours and then realise that you could be much better without being rude and rough.
Maybe you know more than people or have a good argument, but seriously, your attitude towards the fellow forum posters is just plain ridiculous.

With every post of yours, I see why this person needs to abuse in some way or the other and god bless his over confidence and level of understanding to have a rude argument to everyone, he doesn't agree with.

Good luck with your forum posting. It's really better to have you in the ignore list.

Welcome to the internet.

People on the internet, particularly the audience of this forum, tend to get worked up over trivial matters such as "my Phone" is better than "your phone."

Have a nice day.

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And back on topic:

I think this is a rather crafty move by Samsung. It seems like pretty healthy competition to me as it only means there must be progress. Nobody's going to get stuck in a sink-state of copying each other if everyone is out to 1-up the other guy.

Samsung/Android has seen some intense innovation as of late, which has put the ball squarely in Apple's court.
 
Samsung/Android has seen some intense innovation as of late, which has put the ball squarely in Apple's court.

I really hope these lawsuits aren't just because Apple is suddenly finding out it can't keep up. We'll see when they introduce iOS 5.0 and the next iPhone revision I guess.
 
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Pretty compelling imo.

EDIT: Should be "iPhone OS" >.<

Nice cherry picking
 
Interesting, it parallels the "Apple invented USB" myth.

Despite the facts that many Intel PCs had USB ports for nearly two years before the Imac, and that Windows 98 with native USB support came out in 1998 - many people believe that Apple launched USB.

It's closer to the truth that Apple saw the USB parade coming down the street, and cut to the front of the parade. The sheeple watching the parade concluded that Apple was leading it.

I wonder if it will take two years for TBolt to become mainstream? :rolleyes:

I honestly do not see Apple version of the TBolt doing anything. It will be more like firewire at best which for the most part is not a widely used port and all but dead on laptops.
TBolt doing any good is it will be a combo port like it orginal design before Apple changed it. That is be put into a USB port much like E-Sata/USB is done today. There is a very limited amount of space on laptops for an external port so why waste it on a rarely used port instead combine it with an USB port which is much more wifely used.


Looking back and people saying the Android prototypes were like blackberry from what I have read and seen the OS it self has not changed that much. Just the hardware to run it (touch screen) was the biggest changed. The App draw and icon set up is still basicly the same.
Hell its app set up is closer to blackberry than Apple. That is you put your favors on the home screen hit a button and bring up everything else in a OMG grid lay out.

Hell my Android power phone is closer to my older Palm Treo than iOS. Palm OS is older than iOS. if people are going to say they are ripping off Apple then apple big time rip off Palm OS.
 
Isn't it good for Apple if people mistake Samsung phones for iPhones? Then Samsung ends up giving free advertising for Apple. People see someone using a Galaxy phone on a train or in a park and think it's an iPhone--boom, free viral advertising for Apple.

Its seems like a real problem would be people seeing iPhones and mistaking them for Samsung phones. Then Apple would be in trouble.
 
Interesting, it parallels the "Apple invented USB" myth.

Despite the facts that many Intel PCs had USB ports for nearly two years before the Imac, and that Windows 98 with native USB support came out in 1998 - many people believe that Apple launched USB.

It's closer to the truth that Apple saw the USB parade coming down the street, and cut to the front of the parade. The sheeple watching the parade concluded that Apple was leading it.

I wonder if it will take two years for TBolt to become mainstream? :rolleyes:


Thats some nice revisionist history you have going there.

Please tell me what the market for USB peripherals was before and after the launch of the iMac.

Hint: There wasn't one. No one cared. The iMac created a rush on USB peripherals which found its way into the PC market. All you have to do is take a look at Microsofts own peripherals to see what penetration USB had in 1998.

(Hint: They were PS/2 or gameport)
 
Isn't it good for Apple if people mistake Samsung phones for iPhones? Then Samsung ends up giving free advertising for Apple. People see someone using a Galaxy phone on a train or in a park and think it's an iPhone--boom, free viral advertising for Apple.

Its seems like a real problem would be people seeing iPhones and mistaking them for Samsung phones. Then Apple would be in trouble.

No if the phones are POS.
 
Isn't it good for Apple if people mistake Samsung phones for iPhones? Then Samsung ends up giving free advertising for Apple. People see someone using a Galaxy phone on a train or in a park and think it's an iPhone--boom, free viral advertising for Apple.

Its seems like a real problem would be people seeing iPhones and mistaking them for Samsung phones. Then Apple would be in trouble.

Believe me there are plenty of non tech people in world that have no idea about Smartphones, what makes/models there are, who makes what and what's compatible with what.

It's just a phone with a big screen that can do cool things like email, web and facebook and you can get games.
They probably think Apple does Android and it's all the same anyway.

Not everyone is obsessed about smartphones.
 
Thats some nice revisionist history you have going there.

Please tell me what the market for USB peripherals was before and after the launch of the iMac.

Hint: There wasn't one. No one cared. The iMac created a rush on USB peripherals which found its way into the PC market. All you have to do is take a look at Microsofts own peripherals to see what penetration USB had in 1998.

(Hint: They were PS/2 or gameport)
WTF did I just read? In two years this person will be saying apple made the use of widgets on smart phones popular. Hell eventually apple would have been the ones to make hdmi and blu-ray popular.
 
Please tell me what the market for USB peripherals was before and after the launch of the iMac.

Do note that Windows 98 with native USB support shipped only six weeks before the Imac shipped - do you have data to prove that the Imac was responsible for the market upturn, and not the millions of Windows PCs already with USB ports and an update to the OS that supported USB well?

(There were add-on USB drivers for Windows 95, but the reliability and device compatibility was lacking until native support arrived in Win98.)
 
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This is really just laughable by the samsung lawyers. Hey Apple it's samsung the guys that you keep in business because you by some much of our tech components, the company that directly copied your phones and tablets; would you mind giving us your unannounced, unconfirmed, and original designs so that we may copy them? This way when we release them at the same time it will look like we have come up with the ideas at the same time Brilliant!!

Foolish samsung foolish!
 
Except my iPhone feels outdated because of those Android devices. Seriously, after playing with the OLED screen on the original Galaxy S, I'm kinda down on Apple's reliance on LCDs... That thing was sharp and had very nice contrasts and colors. My 3GS really looked washed out next to it.

In the end, iPhone, Android, it's tasks we want to get accomplished. Both accomplish all tasks people need out of modern smartphone. However, Android is really moving forward and sometimes it seems iOS is staying in place.

Look at the Maps app on the iPhone, it hasn't changed at all since introduction. It's very basic. Look at the notifications, the lack of widgets (why oh why do I have to navigate to an app and open it, wait for it to load, navigate inside it to get to things like weather or quick switches for Wifi/Bluetooth/Hot Spot) and you can see that iOS is getting long in the tooth.

Battery life isn't that great either, at least on my 3GS, I need to charge it every night if I use it on the bus each way on my commute for more than a MP3 player. Android phones don't have any worse battery life even though they have tons more features.

Apple can really do better and I hope iOS 5 really brings iOS back to the forefront of innovation, but it seems Google is passing by Apple in many fields right now (NFC payments, streaming music from the cloud, OS UI features).

To be fair you're comparing everything to the 3G, and not the iPhone 4. Some might argue that the Retina Display is much sharper than the SAMOLED displays Samsung uses. I know they certainly carry more pixels per inch.

Battery life on an Android device in most cases is far worse than on the iPhone simply because the OS isn't designed with a specific piece of hardware in mind.

Last but not least, I don't care about Google Wallet, and NFC as it isn't even a proven technology, I'm not giving Google that much information! And last, I'm pretty sure cloud streaming is coming to iOS. You can't argue that Apple does music better than everyone else.
 
WTF did I just read? In two years this person will be saying apple made the use of widgets on smart phones popular. Hell eventually apple would have been the ones to make hdmi and blu-ray popular.

Too be fair I've been using widgets on my Mac natively for a very long time, not like this is really a foreign concept to Apple.
 
To be fair you're comparing everything to the 3G, and not the iPhone 4. Some might argue that the Retina Display is much sharper than the SAMOLED displays Samsung uses. I know they certainly carry more pixels per inch.


Pixel density is not what I was referring to. Have you ever seen how black the OLED blacks are ? Lack of backlight.

And I've seen the iPhone 4. While the IPS screen does at least help somewhat with viewing angles, it is not as good as what I saw on the Samsung phone. The SAMOLED technology is really something.

Battery life on an Android device in most cases is far worse than on the iPhone simply because the OS isn't designed with a specific piece of hardware in mind.

Pure myth. The battery life on my 3GS was always awful. I'm sure it's not better on Android, but it's not worse either.

Last but not least, I don't care about Google Wallet, and NFC as it isn't even a proven technology, I'm not giving Google that much information! And last, I'm pretty sure cloud streaming is coming to iOS. You can't argue that Apple does music better than everyone else.

NFC has been proven in Japan. Now those guys know a thing or 2 about cellphone innovation. And not to mention that no matter how much you try to downplay what Google is doing, they are still quite a few steps ahead of Apple right now.

Apple is still living in 2008 it seems with iOS sometimes.
 
I can understand that Apple needs to see what Samsung is going to be releasing to determine if those products as well infringe on Apple's IP rights, but what could be Samsung's legal argument for seeing what Apple is working on? I assume the judge accepts, tacitly or otherwise, that Apple has a plausible case that Samsung's current products infringe, but Samsung hasn't made concomitant allegations against Apple. Any practitioners have any thoughts?

Well, the only issue is whether AAPL has the right to anticipate an unreleased potential product. I'd say no. Commercial rights only covers commercial products, not what's brewing in the labs that has yet to be confirmed as a commercial product. Asking to see prototype is on pretty thin ground.
 
That must have been very uninformed people then. Because I would have said the the Sony Ericsson P800 … P990i (depending which year you ask) would be the Smartphone to beat.

2002:

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2003:

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2004:

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2006:

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And when did the iPhone came out? Yep, 2007. I would say that the phones above put a damper on the legend that the iPhone was the first all touch screen phone.

Not even a little. Every one of the phones you showed there have physical keypads and/or keyboards. They also all utilized resistive screens with a stylus.
 
Not sure it's that smartlt worded, though

Haha. Good for Samsung. Very smart response. Obviously I still side with apple here, but i think they could use a taste of their own arrogance once in awhile.

The "final, commercial" versions of those products very well might not exist yet. Apple could truthfully say that as long as the "final, commercial" versions have a sticker applied to the packaging which directs the user to immediately update the software on the device to accommodate last-minute changes
 
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Really? iPhone 4 signal and proximity sensor issues were a major Apple fail.

And you heard about them, right?
 
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