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Samsung has raised the bar high with this excellent model. The benefit for those of us who prefer an iPhone, is the competitive pressure put on Apple.

It will be interesting to see how long it will take Apple to respond. With two of the big three competitors announced, Apple has the advantage of knowing exactly what they're up against. The HTC One X, and Galaxy S III are close competitors, only Apple is the unknown at this point.

We will see if they trot out words, and use persuasion to convince a warmed over iPhone will suffice, saying it's all about the experience. Or if we will get a fresh, new, redesigned model.

The ball is firmly within Apples grasp. How they respond will be quite interesting, it's just a matter of time. :)

Apple sets the bar. Others copy
 
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And that's just Samsung.


OK, every company steals ideas from their competitors. Apple did not invent the phone so they have taken ideas from others as well. Sure maybe companies try and come close to their design, but how many looks can a phone really have? It has to have rounded edges, and everyone is on the slim craze.
 
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And that's just Samsung.
Perhaps they should call themselves SAMESUNG.

Wow, there appear to be a lot of android fans on macrumours giving you down votes. What the heck happened to this site?

Samsung even has a dock connector "standard" for their tablets where they just flipped the pins to the other side but left the plastic parts of the sync cable almost a carbon copy of the Apple sync cables.

@doobybiggs: That is only a small sample of what Samesung has been copying. They tried to make a clone of the dock connector and charging/syncing cables as well.
 
OK, every company steals ideas from their competitors. Apple did not invent the phone so they have taken ideas from others as well. Sure maybe companies try and come close to their design, but how many looks can a phone really have? It has to have rounded edges, and everyone is on the slim craze.
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But to be completely fair here:
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There gotta be more than one way to package a phone. If not the phone itself, nor the software, but at least the packaging.
 
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OK, every company steals ideas from their competitors. Apple did not invent the phone so they have taken ideas from others as well. Sure maybe companies try and come close to their design, but how many looks can a phone really have? It has to have rounded edges, and everyone is on the slim craze.

I agree with you that all companies steal ideas. But why are Android users so in denial about that?

I mean, they'll say things like "Android always had voice actions" when it's blatantly obvious that this s voice joke is a siri ripoff.

They'll say the Samsung phones don't look like iphones when they clearly do.

They'll say everyone was going to produce tablets eventually when no one did until Apple did.

It's dumb. Samsung takes a ton of ideas from Apple (more then any other oem). Why the lying to themselves about that fact?
 
Im not, I know android has taken ideas from apple.

but why not steal ideas that seem to work? That is just bad business if you wouldnt ;)
 
Im not, I know android has taken ideas from apple.

but why not steal ideas that seem to work? That is just bad business if you wouldnt ;)

I agree. Everyone copies, including Apple and there's nothing wrong with it at all (unless you're using patents without permission, but that's a whole other thread!)
 
Apple sets the bar. Others copy
Are we going to continue this thread at this level? Sure if you don't have much to say, you can go on like this. Apparently in safari, others set the bar and apple copies as a case in point, I still haven't heard of any ui feature of safari that isn't copied by others.

And that's just Samsung.

Yeah well you got a keyboard too, you know? :rolleyes: I put a challenge up, come up with more than 7 copied features from ios, which is off the top of my head what apple has ripped off for safari, and find me one feature in safari that apple hasn't ripped off from others.

What are you showing me? In the first series two iphones and samsung phone with a completely different ui showing an integrated view of weather, pictures, and what looks like a reminder? Wish iphone had copied that, I am sure they will at some point. So both phone have a big touch screen a single button so what? Touch screens are like these, they take up the whole screen, and button are like that also, they can be one, two, three four. Are phone makers copying others because they put a numeric pad on them? This is the kind of non issue that only under apple's intense propagandizing to its flock it can become one. Manufacturers with touch screens are all going to have a big touch screen and a 1,2,3,4 buttons or so. So Samsung elected to go with one, so what? Apple has the sole proprietary use of one button? If apple puts a touchscreen phone with one button then everyone putting a touchscreen phone with one button is copying apple?


You are showing me then yahoo's weather interface and a similar weather interface on a samsung phone on an ai voice app? what's the similarity the microphone icon and the messages? Ever since voice operated apps existed they have a mic button on the center of the interface. By the same token apple copied sms messaging, or imessage from blackberry? Apple can directly rip of a swipe down and notifications from android replacing their (probably worst than anyone's) implemented ball busting notifications, but as soon as someone sticks a mic in the center of a voice operated app, they are copycats from apple? Give us a break...

I ll repeat my challenge for anyone here:
I put a challenge up, come up with more than 7 copied features from ios, which is off the top of my head what apple has ripped off for safari, and find me one feature in safari that apple hasn't ripped off from others.
It's very convenient that apple can steal away at will but as soon as someone, has one small similarity to their ways of doing things they are branded copycats and dismissed.

What would have happened if someone else had ripped off apple as much as apple has ripped off others in safari?
 
Are we really splitting hairs over packaging now? As in "Oh look, the Galaxy Tab came in a box that looks quite a bit like the iPhone box. They're not innovative" type arguing?

Really? REALLY?

...why? WHY? WHHHYYYY?

Ow. Crap. What's this...pain in my...chest. Oh. It's my faith in humanity dying a little bit.
 
Comscore based that not on sales figures, but on a survey of 13,000 people. It sounds a little strange to me, since for the big three networks in the US, the iPhone got a 63% share of smartphones by actual sales in this quarter, the kind where the carriers report hard numbers with legal consequences if they lie. Unless the small regional carriers are handing out Android phones with boxes of cracker jacks, this is highly unlikely to be true.

Where do Android phones sell better than iPhones? On networks that still don't have the iPhone.

Once again, people do not replace phones every quarter therefore one quarter sale numbers do not reflect the total share for all phones currently in use. As we all know iPhones are always hot in Q4 and Q1 (after new model is released) and not so much after that.
 
Designed for fat pocket, but hey it has quad core CPU which it needs to run that JAVA VM and all the malware.
 
Samsung has raised the bar high with this excellent model. The benefit for those of us who prefer an iPhone, is the competitive pressure put on Apple.

Competitive pressure is better applied from innovation, not always company B copying company A. If Samsung does something better than Apple, I will certainly applaud them but so far they watch what Apple does and then copies them 6 months later.

I'm still waiting for Samsung to do something innovative that Apple would actually want to copy. It hasn't happened yet because Samsung doesn't have any software expertise, it has a free OS from google, who is giving all of Samsung competitors the same code base.
 
As we all know iPhones are always hot in Q4 and Q1 (after new model is released) and not so much after that.

Last time i checked Apple releases the numbers (real numbers) and iPhone wise those numbers are just getting bigger and bigger.
 
Are we really splitting hairs over packaging now? As in "Oh look, the Galaxy Tab came in a box that looks quite a bit like the iPhone box. They're not innovative" type arguing?

Really? REALLY?

...why? WHY? WHHHYYYY?

Ow. Crap. What's this...pain in my...chest. Oh. It's my faith in humanity dying a little bit.
No, we are not just talking about packaging but also the following:
S Voice behaviour and appearance versus SIRI and what previous google voice recognition products looked like.
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The dock connector used by Samsung on the galaxy tablets
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The white earbuds that come with samsung phones
and
The housing of the charge/sync cables used by Samsung tablets
and the packaging of their phones
and
The phone case design and icon layout/appearance
and
The single "home" button on the bottom.

All of those tend to add up to a larger picture but you go ahead and continue to bury your head in the sand and believe that android phone makers are "innovating".

The iPhone had "Voice control" BEFORE Google voice commands shipped and while dumb phones had voice dialling, the Voice control was innovative in that it could recognize many arbitrary playlist names without using data services.
 
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And that's just Samsung.

What exactly did Apple invent here? Let's see: two standard call-outs/quotes - a metaphor used by just every messaging software out there and Yahoo weather widget (also pretty standard). In other words - a dialog followed by a a weekly weather forecast - all absolutely standard and none invented by Apple. Microphone icon/button is placed at the bottom closer to the thumb. Do people not understand how these things get designed and why they look the way they look?
If anything, Samsung's design is clearly better: user and phone messages have distinct background making them easier to separate, wide micrphone button (easier to use), two extra buttons for additional features (Apple, as always, went with just one button - Apple one button mouse anyone?)
 
Over five hundred forty posts in this thread, spanning twenty two pages, proves just how popular Samsung has become. It's an impressive performance indeed.

The Galaxy S III will be my third in the Galaxy Series. Just like iPhones, I've enjoyed every single one.

iPhones & Galaxy's are great companion devices.
 
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There gotta be more than one way to package a phone. If not the phone itself, nor the software, but at least the packaging.

The HTC One X box has a slightly different twist. Samsung just gets pulled into the mindset that Apple's way is the only way. They have copied too much for it to be called a coincidence already. HTC is the only innovator in trying new designs these days. Even Sense has gotten better.
 
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What I see here is apple blatantly stealing from nokia, using icons in a grid, a status bar on top (innovating in sticking some icons at the bottom) and a black background. Yeah one phone doesn't have a touch screen, but touch screens weren't invented by apple, they were about to be used in phones anyway, and lg came up first with a touch screen. So how's the average nokia interface with icons on a grid and a status bar NOT similar to iphone. In what way did apple completely redefine the phone interface as we 've come to be brainwashed about by apple pr and websites? By just taking what phones looked like before, icons on a grid, status bar and sticking a touch screen on top to access them, like the lg prada had before iphone? How's the interface different? Like I said live tiles IS a different interface paradigm (and I have absolutely no preference for ms), icons on a grid are not.

But I guess it hurts a lot of you here, and you are in denial, when it's been hyped again and again and again to you how innovative apple is, to just open your eyes and see that the way the iphone looked is how run of the mill nokia phones looked without a touch screen overlay, and apple did absolutely **** but add a touch screen on top. They took the very same, basic phone ui, took the buttons away, and added touch screen.

(disclaimer, I am not denying small, noteworthy details, such a slide to unlock, or an on screen keyboard ai to be able to type without messing things up, that they iphone had, nor am I saying that the iphone was not good phone that pushed the touchscreen trend with a decent browser and what with apple's clout and marketing and the cultish and self promotional aspects of apple it came to dominate the market. But there were other great smartphones then from blackberry, palm, nokia, sony errickson, that eventually would and did switch to touch screen, and still other phones that had switched to touch screens before apple.)

Apple is copying from others as much as others are copying from apple, even more so sometimes, the problem is only apple can mass hypnotize some of you guys here (and for good reason, so they can rip you off then with the highest margins) to think it's only others stealing from apple, and not apple itself. Because when apple bring a new feature, say slide to unlock it's plastered all over the web, fanbois come rushing, arch kisser like Gruber say it's the next best thing to sliced bread, a lot of fanfare is created etc. etc. but when apple blatantly steal from others' great ideas and features, opera's speed dial, readability's layouts, read it laters and instapappers "reading lists", the greatness of the originator of the feature is silenced and not promoted (or self promoted, or touted by droves of fans) and apple silently incorporates the feature.

OK, every company steals ideas from their competitors. Apple did not invent the phone so they have taken ideas from others as well. Sure maybe companies try and come close to their design, but how many looks can a phone really have? It has to have rounded edges, and everyone is on the slim craze.

You are not going to make sense with these guys, they'd rather not reply but downrate, their utter luck of any arguments explaining where apple has been copied point by point, shows how much they are brainwashed into the apple cult that has theme believing that apple is the arch inventor and everyone else is copying that they can't put sentences together on why this is the case. You ask them, why is it like this guys? Apple's stolen the heck out of others in safari, tell us 7-8 points where they've been stolen from others in ios as much as they stole in safari? Well cause, you know it's just like this, that's what we 've been told, apple sets the bar the others copy...blah blah...
 
Competitive pressure is better applied from innovation, not always company B copying company A. If Samsung does something better than Apple, I will certainly applaud them but so far they watch what Apple does and then copies them 6 months later.

I'm still waiting for Samsung to do something innovative that Apple would actually want to copy. It hasn't happened yet because Samsung doesn't have any software expertise, it has a free OS from google, who is giving all of Samsung competitors the same code base.

Who cares, I certainly don't. All that matters is the fact that Samsung & Apple are vying for the consumers attention.

I find both makes quite nice. It's why I always maintain at least two lines. There's a lot to be said for variety.

Nothing beats having both to enjoy :)
 
user and phone messages have distinct background making them easier to separate
You know that it's supposed to talk, right? Other than that, Siri is pretty much distinguishable A) by the location of the arrow, B) by the font and the quotation marks, C) by the context: Question and Answer and D) you should remember what you've said 5 seconds ago.
wide micrphone button (easier to use)
Obviously you've never used an iPhone. Let me assure you that the design is intelligent.
two extra buttons for additional features (Apple, as always, went with just one button - Apple one button mouse anyone?)
If it needs a Help button, it's too complicated.

I still haven't heard of any ui feature of safari that isn't copied by others.
Smooth scrolling :rolleyes:
 
Who cares, I certainly don't. All that matters is the fact that Samsung & Apple are vying for the consumers attention.

I find both makes quite nice. It's why I always maintain at least two lines. There's a lot to be said for variety.

Nothing beats having both to enjoy :)

You should buy Nokia, HTC, SE, Huawei, Moto, ZTE too
they are "vying for the consumers attention and both makes quite nice" too :D

I'm sure carrying 8 phones with you will be so cool.
 
If it needs a Help button, it's too complicated.

The multiple buttons along the bottom of the Gingerbread phones actually isn't much different in practice than the iPhone setup. In iOS, your back button is a UI feature that's always in the same position. In Gingerbread, your back button is physical, and always in the same place. Same goes for the menu settings within the app (gear icon located at the top right of the screen vs. that little button with the page looking design under the screen) and the home key.

It's not more complicated, just different. If you think otherwise, it's only because you're not used to it, and decided to dismiss it as too difficult after playing with it for 30 seconds.


Honestly, I don't even know why it bothers you so much.
 
why not just be objective about technology. be happy you have devices to choose from rather than be a fanboi and diss everything that looks similar to iphone. why get so butt hurt about it... it's not like YOU invented it. we're all just users of the technology people. you guys defend it like it's your invention. :confused:
 
No, we are not just talking about packaging but also the following:
S Voice behaviour and appearance versus SIRI and what previous google voice recognition products looked like.
and
The dock connector used by Samsung on the galaxy tablets
and
The white earbuds that come with samsung phones
and
The housing of the charge/sync cables used by Samsung tablets
and the packaging of their phones
and
The phone case design and icon layout/appearance
and
The single "home" button on the bottom.

The extent of the delusional aspect of this post is simply staggering....Apple apparently has a patent on white headphones, if other's use white headphones they are copying apple, apple also apparently has special packaging and housing of cables that if anything looks remotely similar to them, surely apple invented it and others copy (unbelievable). The phone case design which in pretty much like every modern phone is a slim case (samsung should make fat phones to not copy apple) with a big touchscreen, but no that's copying apple (breathing will soon be copying apple because apple employes breath), the icon layout whereas android samsung phones have vastly different layouts other than just the icon layout (apparently if apple put a grid of icons as everyone used to do before the iphone they are not ripping anyone), the single home button, because when apple uses one button, no one can use one button on touchscreen device that by definition based on the large touch screens will have from 1 to 4 buttons, it's damn touchscreen phone, it's not meant to have buttons!!!!! others can opt for one button as well...
 
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