Yeah, but he meant those:
A button marked ? looks like a Help button to me.
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Samsung's New Galaxy S III Phone Offers 4.8-Inch Screen, Siri-Like 'S Voice' Feature
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Yeah, but he meant those:
A button marked ? looks like a Help button to me.
Yeah? I'm thinking the S3 runs ICS, right? I haven't played with it much yet, but I believe it nixes all the physical keys for UI buttons.
Anyway, it's just two extra buttons in the Siri-Alike thingy. That won't confuse much of anyone.
Fanboys unite thread.
I got my first iPhone on the first day of the original. I have obviously loved it, upgrading every year. The time has come for change maybe.
I am now looking at the III and liking it. The screen size is the main reason. The iPhone looks like a baby in comparison. That extra real estate would become so handy.
Will wait for the 5 and then make a decision. The ball is in your court Apple.
I got my first iPhone on the first day of the original. I have obviously loved it, upgrading every year. The time has come for change maybe.
I am now looking at the III and liking it. The screen size is the main reason. The iPhone looks like a baby in comparison. That extra real estate would become so handy.
Will wait for the 5 and then make a decision. The ball is in your court Apple.
If "it's supposed to talk" why bother displaying it? And if they did bother why not to do it right? Samsung design has everything that iPhone has minus quotes plus background and background clearly is a much better differentiator.
Obviously you've never used an iPhone. Let me assure you that the design is intelligent.
If it needs a Help button, it's too complicated.
Smooth scrolling
Rrright. Because Siri is so intelligent it can understand you 100% regardless of how you ask her.
Why not? If we didn't keep pushing the boundaries, we'd still be stuck with Motorola brick phones from the 80s. Or maybe even just pencil and paper. If the technology exists, why not?
The pic of the Galaxy phone and the iPhone is kind of misleading. The Galaxy's display on your image is on the "app drawer" which is different from the home screen and such. The app drawer is just a place where all your apps are visible together so you can easily see them, move them to the home screen, or even delete them. A Galaxy phone will be on the home screens and not the app drawer 95% of the time (or more).
It also looks like the SII was photoshopped to make it look similar to the iPhone's dimensions. It's not.
I don't think S Voice is a direct ripoff of Siri. Voice Recognition was built into Android already. Samsung just decided that they need to up the features to compete with Apple. What's wrong with that? Before you say the interface looks the same or what not, just how many other ways can you clearly and logically display all that info? And according to some, Google has Siri beat. And to be fair, it's not like Apple did the innovating for Siri... they bought them out.
And the argument for and against marketshare seems to transform to whatever is most convenient at the time:
"iPhones are the best because the top 3 phones are iPhones." "Android has more marketshare but it's not important because _______." But before Android took the marketshare lead, people were like "iPhones are the best because they have the most marketshare. Look at how little the Android marketshare is."
And go back in the day when Apple wasn't as influential a company, people still defended their Macs by saying marketshare is irrelevant and that Macs were still superior. You can't have your cake and eat it too.Seriously, it's getting a little old. At the end of the day, I don't get the hostility against non-Apple products. There's a difference between debate and just fanboy-gut-reaction-word-vomitting (and this is true of both sides). And ironically, most of these "fanboys" can easily identify the fanboys of the opposition but usually fail to see that they themselves are fanboys too.
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Samsung vs Apple
Neat !
Samsung looks like going head to head with Apple directly with features, not only the "bounce back"
These "Siri like" features only look like Siri-like....... Apple called it this on iPad, only because the microphone was the same, and the voice.... They could have done away with this and relied on Voice Control *Hold down Home Button* would been better,,, and it wouldn't need internet access to work
The functionality is more important...... The fact they may be this may sound easier coz they can continuously update it from their end does't make much sense..
You could do all of what Siri could do with Voice Control I bet if Apple did it that way. Not to mention it will always be available when iPhone is on.
The bigger screen on Samsung is good...... Would this mean the IPhone 5 would be out sooner?
Neat !
Samsung looks like going head to head with Apple directly with features, not only the "bounce back"
These "Siri like" features only look like Siri-like....... Apple called it this on iPad, only because the microphone was the same, and the voice.... They could have done away with this and relied on Voice Control *Hold down Home Button* would been better,,, and it wouldn't need internet access to work
The functionality is more important...... The fact they may be this may sound easier coz they can continuously update it from their end does't make much sense..
You could do all of what Siri could do with Voice Control I bet if Apple did it that way. Not to mention it will always be available when iPhone is on.
The bigger screen on Samsung is good...... Would this mean the IPhone 5 would be out sooner?
Let's cut through the bs here guys, and I mean it in all good will, cause this is bs I 've been repeating to myself as well when I was very much into apple's distortion field. There are not many ways you can play around with a touch screen phone interface. The paradigm of shrinking a desktop os with a stylus was gonna go away anyway since capacitative screens had different characteristics. Ever since graphic ui's began applications and software has been associated by an icon.
Apple just went and stuck a all those application icons on a grid, and some most used ones on a dock like interface at the bottom. It's the simplest way, the most rudimentary way to do it. Even old nokia phones I used to have without the touch screen had a bunch of icons for functions/applications you would navigate around with keys, and some place to stick the most used ones. Apple didn't re-invent the wheel, one could say by looking at older phones (i ll post a picture further down), apple didn't reinvent ****.
So samsung goes and sticks icons for applications too (what should they have done, not put icons for applications, just put words?) and people can press on them instead of navigating with keys...so what? What's the big rip off that apple is crying about? What's the big intellectual property that they had stolen? Sticking icons on a screen in a grid? If apple had come up with some live tile system like ms (not that I am a big fan of it or something) that you 'd say yeah this clearly is paradigm shift I d say ok, but icons for apps are desktop staples, icons on phones for apps/functions were also a mobile phone staple pre apple.
Here's a nokia phone I had in 2006
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Ooops, it has icons in a grid, a status bar on top, just no touch screen. Sometimes I think that apple's lawyering up in this case against samsung here is not so much so they have to protect their "intellectual" property, but for their marketing to sell the story as if they had some immensely great idea that others are copying.
Just look at the nokia phone on top, take a step out of the reality distortion field, look at the applications icons in a grid, the status bar on top, and tell me how's the iphone's interface different to it? That you could touch an icon, press it and move it? But that's just a natural way of doing things if you can touch them, surely when touchscreens hit the market those icons would be able to be moved around.
Sorry to belabour a point, please look at the 2006 nokia phone, icons in grid, status bar and ask yourself isn't it not like iphone? Instead of the apple cultists telling you that apple reinvented the smart phone interface by not taking ms's poor shrunken desktop os with stylus look, that one could simply say that apple just implemented a very basic common phone ui with icons in a grid, status bar on a touch screen and added a place to put the most used icons on the bottom?
(Apple has had a crap notification system and they tried to get the the guys from palm to fix it for them, and they couldn't they went ahead and blatantly copied android slide down notifications, btw, as an aside, apple are not beyond copying not anymore than anyone else is, they just act as if their ideas are somehow super genius ones that everyone is out to copy and replicate, and when they can find a good idea they are quick to rip it off. Take safari as a case in point: apple has copied tabs for safari from opera, they have copied speed dial from opera, they will soon integrate search and address bar and copy it from chrome, they have copied process separation from chrome in safari, they have ripped reader from readability, they have copied reading list from read it later, they have copied extensions from firefox...wait a second? Have they even brought anything to the table that's theirs in the safari interface? )
edit: I just posted my post, and someone downrated it in seconds? Did you (you know who you are) even have time to read it? Don't abuse the rating system boys, it's not a knee jerk thing, you might as well reply instead if you got something to say, and read first, unless I am in a speed reading forum, no one could have read it, when upon clicking post I refreshed the screen.
Your verbiage is turgid, so I downrated.
BTW, Apple's major contribution with the iPhone was to bring multitouch to the cellphone. The undisputed fact is that Apple disrupted the entire industry. The fact that Apple created such an elegant product at the outset is outlined below:
"The great thing is that Apple's DNA hasn't changed. The place where Apple has been standing for the last two decades is exactly where computer technology and the consumer electronics markets are converging. So it's not like we're having to cross the river to go somewhere else; the other side of the river is coming to us."Steve Jobs/Fortune/02.21.05
But have fun with your rant.
Samsung VP for UI Design said:It's not Google Voice Actions with a ripped off Siri interface. Look, it has a different background for teh bubbles!!!1
I don't understand why Samsung can't just innovate themselves. The S-Voice feature (which probably stands for Siri in-house ) is what Siri would look like if Apple's designers were as bad as Samsung's
The phone also looks like a cheap, plastic toy.
) is what Siri would look like if Apple's designers were as bad as Samsung'sThe phone also looks like a cheap, plastic toy.
Smooth scrolling
Don't roll your eyes when you are talking to me, I was talking about 7 safari features directly lifted from others, I am asking you to come up with 7 features directly lifted by copycats of apple in ios, you come up with none, I ask you for one feature that safari has NOT copied, that's they only response you can possibly have in everything and anything I said, and you come up with smooth scrolling? Oh, yeah, opera has had it since 2002, before safari in panther. Google is your friend. Thank you very much.
Couldn't have said it better. Loved my iPhones so far, but to be honest it grew a little old. The same old same old interface, the small screen, the ridiculous limitations. I'll wait for the 5 and then make a decision too. And these Samsungs are looking good right now.
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I don't understand why Samsung can't just innovate themselves. The S-Voice feature (which probably stands for Siri in-house
The phone also looks like a cheap, plastic toy.
Be careful here. Are you sure the next iPhone will not be plastic?
What I cannot figure out is why people like blow45 and lilo777 come on here and post walls of text defending Android so furiously. If you like Android, good for you but don't come on here attacking everyone who points out what they see as copying.
Are you guys paid to post or something? Any reasonable person, even if they had an android phone, should be able to admit that Samsung is being heavily inspired by Apple designs.
The fact remains that Voice Control came out "BEFORE" Google Voice actions and SIRI was a third party app for quite some time before it was bought by Apple and incorporated into the iPhone 4S. Apple also has had voice dictation and recognition technology in the OSes for the desktop since the 1980's and Pre-OS X mac OS even had a "voice is my password" feature on the login screen.
I just find it maddening that these people completely ignore the points some of us have brought out. You can still love android all you want while acknowledging that some copying has taken place.
Apple has freely admitted at times that they were inspired by features in windows in their keynotes but stated that they believed that their implementation was better. Fast user switching is one such example that appeared on windows first and Apple execs admitted that point when they demoed it.
lilo777, which department do you work at inside of Google? I never talk about my employer. Don't you guys have the concept of "work/life" balance? Don't you have policies about confidentiality and separation of work and home life?
I am very careful to never say anything that could possibly link me back to my employer.
Are you guys paid to post or something? Any reasonable person, even if they had an android phone, should be able to admit that Samsung is being heavily inspired by Apple designs.
The fact remains that Voice Control came out "BEFORE" Google Voice actions and SIRI was a third party app for quite some time before it was bought by Apple and incorporated into the iPhone 4S. Apple also has had voice dictation and recognition technology in the OSes for the desktop since the 1980's and Pre-OS X mac OS even had a "voice is my password" feature on the login screen.
I just find it maddening that these people completely ignore the points some of us have brought out. You can still love android all you want while acknowledging that some copying has taken place.
Apple has freely admitted at times that they were inspired by features in windows in their keynotes but stated that they believed that their implementation was better. Fast user switching is one such example that appeared on windows first and Apple execs admitted that point when they demoed it.
lilo777, which department do you work at inside of Google? I never talk about my employer. Don't you guys have the concept of "work/life" balance? Don't you have policies about confidentiality and separation of work and home life?
I am very careful to never say anything that could possibly link me back to my employer.
What I cannot figure out is why people like blow45 and lilo777 come on here and post walls of text defending Android so furiously. If you like Android, good for you but don't come on here attacking everyone who points out what they see as copying.
Are you guys paid to post or something? Any reasonable person, even if they had an android phone, should be able to admit that Samsung is being heavily inspired by Apple designs.
The fact remains that Voice Control came out "BEFORE" Google Voice actions and SIRI was a third party app for quite some time before it was bought by Apple and incorporated into the iPhone 4S. Apple also has had voice dictation and recognition technology in the OSes for the desktop since the 1980's and Pre-OS X mac OS even had a "voice is my password" feature on the login screen.
I just find it maddening that these people completely ignore the points some of us have brought out. You can still love android all you want while acknowledging that some copying has taken place.
Apple has freely admitted at times that they were inspired by features in windows in their keynotes but stated that they believed that their implementation was better. Fast user switching is one such example that appeared on windows first and Apple execs admitted that point when they demoed it.
I think it goes both ways. I think some pro-Android posters here do take it too far, but to be fair, a lot of the anti-Samsung, anti-Galaxy arguments on this thread are either exaggerated, untrue, or just straw man arguments. I think posts like that cause other people to want to post their side's argument even more.
It seems like most people care only about winning the argument no matter what means and what evidence they have. Unfortunately, nobody gets paid to do so (except perhaps the MacRumors staff, which probably posts these things in anticipation of these "debates" that will generate hits)
But seriously, sometimes I think a debate on religion or on politics might be more civil and logical than the Mac vs PC or iOS vs Android arguments here.... and that's saying a lot!!
You said one feature that Safari on iOS didn't copy, and I said smooth scrolling. It took all those other phones until recently to get that somewhat right. Even Netscape on Windows has smooth scrolling if your PC was fast enough and you had a mouse with a scroll wheel. You probably didn't understand that correctly: I meant something like
http://www.quora.com/Why-isnt-the-Android-4-0-web-browser-as-smooth-scrolling-fast-and-HTML5-compliant-as-Chrome-even-in-ICS said:
Whereas iPhone OS 2.0 on an iPhone 3G was perfectly smooth already.
And I'd be interested in that iPhone that runs 10.2 Panther (that would be iPhone OS 0.x if you calc it out), you have access to Apples lab?
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The odds of the new iPhone being plastic are the same as the new MacBooks being plastic. Plastic Apple products have been fizzled out over time... there's no reason why they'd bring them back.
Don't be so sure of this! There's a lot of people on here that are on payrolls of tech companies. Be it to take the pulse of techies or to steer arguments in a certain way to influence public uptake of products. I have no evidence of this, but I can usually detect these by the tone / general profile etc.
Thanks for quoting me your apostle, much obliged, from the gospel of Fortune:02.21.05. I had a very bad itch that day on a sensitive area, my ear lobes... now it all makes sense, Steve was reported as saying on the fortune rag that very date that the river is coming to us, like the proverbial mountain to Mohammed... Maybe one day I ll speak in prose poems such as this instead of my turgid verbiage, anyway what good are arguments and common sense when you are talking with religious zealots. Sorry for taking up your time I ll let you go worship now at your local glass cube or staircase as the case might be at the apple store you go to pay your respects to they deity of apple.
Typical "iphone killer"... promises of bigger numbers in every area (until the next iPhone's released) but it's still trying to be an iPhone. Notice how the iPhone has always been an iPhone... not a _____ killer?
Crazy thing is this one's popular and it's about the same price as an iPhone!! Despite it's RRP and stats being pretty well identical to the iPhone (and it outselling the iPhone most likely) I doubt Samsung will make as much money as Apple. This one's just gonna eat into the HTC/RIM market even further.
Crazy thing is this one's popular and it's about the same price as an iPhone!! Despite it's RRP and stats being pretty well identical to the iPhone (and it outselling the iPhone most likely) I doubt Samsung will make as much money as Apple. This one's just gonna eat into the HTC/RIM market even further.
Your argument was: It has a different background for the bubbles, hence it's a complete different thing. No?
But while we're at 'Things ripped off from Apple' and Panther, let's just add another one:
The frequently imitated but never equalled brushed metal.
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It's staggering how people don't already see this(or choose to ignore it). Reminds me of Bill Maher's Bubble.
Which ever way you swing, I think this has to be one of the funniest things I have read on this boards in a long time. Thanks for making me chuckle