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I bought a Samsung Galaxy S8 because of the amazing screen and high quality front facing camera.

But other than a couple of good things it sucks!

Will the next iPhone have a comparable screen to the S8, and should I just wait until it comes out?

Yes, return it if it sucks. An amazing screen and a couple of cameras aren't a good excuse to be miserable or unsatisfied. If you love iOS or prefer iOS, better to stay there. Only Androids I can recommend are Pixels, LG Gs/Vs, Sony's, HTCs, OnePluses, and Motos.
 
The first link is iOS 10.3.3. The second is 10.3.2 which is no biggie as 10.3.3 was just a minor bug fix update
great you a person in the internet. Pales in comparison to android lag threads, burn-in and the like. 10.3.3 was a huge release, it took a month to get out of the door.

Nothing but an Internet meme which has already been disproven
I'm not sure that is the case given the persistent nature of the threads.

It cant bring down iOS as each app operates in its own silo unlike Windows or Mac
Right, I've never had a BSOD.

So let me get this straight. If I shell out 1.2k for an iPhone 8 its perfectly normal for it to lose to a $100 phone in 3 years?
It is what it is. Mobile technology advances at a very rapid pace.

I am comparing a 3 year old phone not a Nokia 3310 so logic suggests you should compare a 3 year old computer to today's budget computers
Fallacious logic suggest that. Most know there is a huge difference in the design and tdp of desktop and server class cpus vs mobile.

There is no problem on Android as Skype,WhatsApp,Allo,Duo work on all computers and cross platform

Does Facetime sync with Windows? If not its useless
Skype to whatsapp works perfectly I'm assuming then.

Apple accepted payment and allowed their customer's to be Google's product. You could even call this a bribe of sorts
You can call this anything you want. Type in google.com they got your ip and or name and or query. This is google not Apple.

So if the govt asks for an key to iMessage communications,Apple will be forced to hand it over. And this is not something which will be disclosed to the public.
Apple doesn't have the keys to hand over.

Do you really think if there are any backdoors Apple or the authorities will tell them to the public? This is nothing but marketing
When you believe in Microsoft this tends to be ones thinking. It's clear iCloud can be handed over, if the government could get into your phone they wouldn't ask Apple.

Thats because the S8 is the only relevant flagship on Android. Without Samsung there goes 80% of Android and the entirety of Android's profits.
There are people who would take you to task for such blasphemy. There are certainly other vendors out there. Huawei is even featured on the front page.



iPhone 8 with an OLED edge display and no bezels (generic slab)
Can you point us all to a link on apples website.

The S8 loses to the iPhone in performance tests if thats what you are implying but the OnePlus already beat the iPhone in performance
Actually the iPhone trounced the one plus in benchmarks, I've already posted the link.

What I proved is that its not a USP. Facetime and iMessage dont work with Windows or Android which makes them more of a liability than a unique feature
What you wound up by proving is how fragmented android is and how difficult it is to get commonality with video or messaging.
 
I guess you call Android smooth when you get used to the glitches, artifacts, microstutters and lag that's continually being report across the internet.

https://forums.androidcentral.com/s...12298-those-having-lag-samsungs-stock-ui.html


Right the keyword minority, most don't have issues. With 1.2 billion devices out there, all sorts of oddball things happen causing anecdotal issues.


Maybe your cereal box, but as I said, most don't seem to have issues in the real world.


Facetime works with 100% of IOS devices and does not need an install. That is why it's superior. If you are on android and have whatsapp and your friend has hangouts and neither wants to install any other video software, video calling works 0% of the time. To me that's inferior.


Sure google pays them, why not. My default search is duckduckto.


Random ads, because they certainly aren't relevant to me. That's how I know they are random.


On demand, means court order or if their infrastructure is being used for illegal purposes and apple is legally obliged to turn over the info, just like FB, just like google, just like any other company. Does apple give the government they keys to your imessage encryption?


The are two types of people: The first type are those people who keep believing the world is under this very popular meme and anybody that buys an apple is under the apple influence. The second type of people are those who like the products apple makes and wonder if the first type of person is looney tunes.

100% of iOS devices? Pretty sure anything pre-iOS 4.0 can't run FaceTime because of software and/or hardware deficiencies. There are some active iPhone 3G's, 3GS' devices, etc.
 
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great you a person in the internet. Pales in comparison to android lag threads, burn-in and the like. 10.3.3 was a huge release, it took a month to get out of the door.
Here's plenty more of such threads

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8029776?start=0&tstart=0
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8024624?start=0&tstart=0
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8022331?start=0&tstart=0
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8001454?start=0&tstart=0

Not just lags but even freezing. So much for iOS being more optimised than Android.

And of courset heres the yellow tint threads

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/yellow-tint-to-my-iphone-7-plus-screen.1996657/
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...een-on-your-iphone-7-what-came-of-it.2031453/




I'm not sure that is the case given the persistent nature of the threads.
The same persistent threads iOS has. Anandtech even mentioned the lag in hsi reviews


Right, I've never had a BSOD.
What does this have to do with my comment?


Fallacious logic suggest that. Most know there is a huge difference in the design and tdp of desktop and server class cpus vs mobile.
The iPad/iPhone processors are faster than certain notebooks and the latter does not slow down over time

Skype to whatsapp works perfectly I'm assuming then.
Anyone on Android who wants to video call has Skype installed. Anyone who wants to chat has WhatsApp installed. Those are the only relevant choices apart from Allo and Duo which come preinstalled


Apple doesn't have the keys to hand over.


When you believe in Microsoft this tends to be ones thinking. It's clear iCloud can be handed over, if the government could get into your phone they wouldn't ask Apple.
If Google can pay Apple to do whatever they want on iOS, its incredibly easy for the government to just pay Apple and get the job done

There are people who would take you to task for such blasphemy. There are certainly other vendors out there. Huawei is even featured on the front page.
Theres only 2 flagships on the market with bezelless OLED curved edge displays. The LG G6 and the S8. The former manufacturer has bootloop issues so yes only the S8 is the relevant flagship on Android. HTC is dead. Pixel hasnt managed to penetrate the market because of its dated design. Huawei doesnt make flagships nor does OnePlus


Can you point us all to a link on apples website.
It will appear on Apple's website next month. I have advance info.


Actually the iPhone trounced the one plus in benchmarks, I've already posted the link.
Can you post the link?

What you wound up by proving is how fragmented android is and how difficult it is to get commonality with video or messaging.

At least they work with computers eh? Imma go and Facetime my relative with my Windows laptop. Oh wait...
 
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And yet there have been persistent threads about android microstutters, battery drain, and lag on MR for years.

And of courset heres the yellow tint threads

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/yellow-tint-to-my-iphone-7-plus-screen.1996657/
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...een-on-your-iphone-7-what-came-of-it.2031453/





The same persistent threads iOS has. Anandtech even mentioned the lag in hsi reviews
Of course oled burn in is prevalent no people are even returning tvs due to that.

http://www.abstractpath.com/2012/wh...ns-stutter-when-ios-animations-are-so-smooth/

What does this have to do with my comment?
It has everything to do with your comment.

The iPad/iPhone processors are faster than certain notebooks and the latter does not slow down over time
Windows 10 on my laptop has worse battery life and is slower than windows 8. This is on a year old device. Case closed.

Anyone on Android who wants to video call has Skype installed. Anyone who wants to chat has WhatsApp installed. Those are the only relevant choices apart from Allo and Duo which come preinstalled
Anyone on iOS who wants to video or chat has FaceTime and iMessage. While I can't confirm anything g about skype I know people who delete it. Android is a mess when it comes to this.

If Google can pay Apple to do whatever they want on iOS, its incredibly easy for the government to just pay Apple and get the job done
Of course, nothing like a broad generalization as fact without any proof.

Theres only 2 flagships on the market with bezelless OLED curved edge displays. The LG G6 and the S8. The former manufacturer has bootloop issues so yes only the S8 is the relevant flagship on Android. HTC is dead. Pixel hasnt managed to penetrate the market because of its dated design. Huawei doesnt make flagships nor does OnePlus
There are people who disagree with this and it's Huawei that is gunning for Samsung.

It will appear on Apple's website next month. I have advance info.
please post a valid link to apples website.

Can you post the link?
Links has already been posted.

At least they work with computers eh? Imma go and Facetime my relative with my Windows laptop. Oh wait...
Imma go and facetime my relative with an iPhone e 7. What? Nothing to install or configure?
 
And yet there have been persistent threads about android microstutters, battery drain, and lag on MR for years.


Of course oled burn in is prevalent no people are even returning tvs due to that.

http://www.abstractpath.com/2012/wh...ns-stutter-when-ios-animations-are-so-smooth/


It has everything to do with your comment.


Windows 10 on my laptop has worse battery life and is slower than windows 8. This is on a year old device. Case closed.


Anyone on iOS who wants to video or chat has FaceTime and iMessage. While I can't confirm anything g about skype I know people who delete it. Android is a mess when it comes to this.


Of course, nothing like a broad generalization as fact without any proof.


There are people who disagree with this and it's Huawei that is gunning for Samsung.


please post a valid link to apples website.


Links has already been posted.


Imma go and facetime my relative with an iPhone e 7. What? Nothing to install or configure?

I am not entrenched in a device camp, but everything has shortcomings. I notice lag on my 7+ from time to time. It doesn't mean it's not a great device. What makes Apple great is customer service and product support. But it's really simple how they do that: provide excellent customer service, support products for two years at least, and continue to build the brand.

Other competitors have inherent flaws like fragmentation, too much flash with software features, supply chain management issues, marketing deficiencies, etc.

Apple has flaws itself like slower bleeding edge feature adaptations, missing some software features, overused hardware and software designs, and continues to charge more for less like taking out a headphone jack and possibly eliminating TouchID.
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I like iOS and I like iPhone. I don't need to justify to others why it's better. lol

Might have to from time to time because people are encamped in different areas. Not saying you're going to do it with me, but with others you might.

Dollar for dollar, a basic Moto G can do everything a modern phone should do: apps, text, call, video chat, web browse, GPS, provide LTE speeds, play music, take photos, tell time, offer calendars, etc. That is more "value" for the money than an iPhone does.

What separates iPhones are hardware, software, subjective values, and the customer experience.

A10 processor, a dual camera, Taptic Engine are hardware features Apple is great with.

Software: FaceTime, iMessage, PassBook, the Camera app are just prime features one gets with an iPhone.

Subjective values are like customer service, warranty support, faster app updates, the brand, etc. You can't put a tangible value on those since it's open to interpretation.

Customer experience: Apple has a lot of satisfied consumers. The iPad, iPhone, Apple TV, MacBook are popular products.

That's what separates the Moto G and the iPhone. Value becomes subjective when you examine differentiation.
 
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I was referring to the two posters who seem like they can't let it go!

Oh, they're entitled to their opinions because only either know what they want. I think everything comes with a price, either a defect or limitation. I know that I pay up in features for more software support and no frills.
 
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It is out of mind to consider paying $1200 for iphone 8 when a s8 is only $500-600 and having similar specs/functions as iphone 8.
 
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It is out of mind to consider paying $1200 for iphone 8 when a s8 is only $500-600 and having similar specs/functions as iphone 8.

I doubt the iPhone will be $1200 starting. The S8 is that price right now because Samsung needed to build strong sales to make up for the Note 7 fiasco and to generate strong US sales as well.
 
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And yet there have been persistent threads about android microstutters, battery drain, and lag on MR for years.
Well duh this is “Macrumors”. You are unlikely to get an unbiased opinion on Android here

Of course oled burn in is prevalent no people are even returning tvs due to that.
And you have backlight bleed on LCD TVS


What’s interesting to note in the comments section

“Had the same issue. Replaced it with an OLED and now watching a movie in a dark room is a very immersive experience.”

An irrelevant article from where the internet meme originated. Project butter hadn’t even happened then. Show me an article from 2015 and beyond.

THis is exactly why Google searches irk me. A new OS or hardware drops and the first reviews are out they stick for years on end despite being fixed.

Android =iOS in smoothness and once Project Treble is a success it will achieve parity in updates as well so Apple has a problem on its hands.

It has everything to do with your comment.
I said apps on iOS cannot affect the OS in such a major way as to cause persistent stutters and lags throughout the OS


Windows 10 on my laptop has worse battery life and is slower than windows 8. This is on a year old device. Case closed.
Is this a flagship laptop?

My Dell Studio XPS 8000 from 2009 is getting to 9 years old, has seen Windows 7,8, and 10 and yet boots in 15 second on Windows 10 compared to 25 on Windows 7.


Anyone on iOS who wants to video or chat has FaceTime and iMessage. While I can't confirm anything g about skype I know people who delete it. Android is a mess when it comes to this.
I pointed out the relevant solution on Android. If nothing is installed you can always resort to Allo and Duo.


Of course, nothing like a broad generalization as fact without any proof.
Its a cold hard fact. If a payment of $3B allows Apple to set a privacy killing data mongering monster like Google as default search engine I can only imagine what bigger amounts can be used to control Apple.


There are people who disagree with this and it's Huawei that is gunning for Samsung.
Then tell me a flagship on Android which is in the same league in ALL respects as the S8.

Is Huawei even in profit? Huawei is a tiny blip on the radar to Samsung. Samsung has far bigger fish to fry like Apple.


please post a valid link to apples website.
I will post it in just a few weeks. In the meantime, grab all the info on the iPhone 8 from Cupertino itself in the HomePod firmware which Apple “accidentally” leaked.


Links has already been posted.
Never seen such a link. I am surprised at this revelation considering every Android forum I frequent has called the OnePlus 5 the fastest phone.

Imma go and facetime my relative with an iPhone e 7. What? Nothing to install or configure?

What if he is on a laptop? Plan scuppered LOL
OT&- The iPhone 8 should be compared to the Note 8 and not the S8 considering he price range. The S8 is cheaper and still a better buy than the 7S though.
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I doubt the iPhone will be $1200 starting. The S8 is that price right now because Samsung needed to build strong sales to make up for the Note 7 fiasco and to generate strong US sales as well.
Its 1K for 64GB storage so with competent amounts of storage its going to be $1100 minimum and it doesn’t even come with 3 years AppleCare at that price.
 
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Its a cold hard fact. If a payment of $3B allows Apple to set a privacy killing data mongering monster like Google as default search engine I can only imagine what bigger amounts can be used to control Apple.

I see your point, but your imagination in no way proves your point as a cold, hard fact.
 
It is out of mind to consider paying $1200 for iphone 8 when a s8 is only $500-600 and having similar specs/functions as iphone 8.

It won’t be $1200, but it’s that old saying. You get what you pay for. You’re getting a phone that outperforms the S8 in every way. Plus, iOS. It’s an easy choice for me.
 
It won’t be $1200, but it’s that old saying. You get what you pay for. You’re getting a phone that outperforms the S8 in every way. Plus, iOS. It’s an easy choice for me.

"In every way" is a bit of an exaggeration.
 
I was referring to the two posters who seem like they can't let it go!
I ignored them both, my life is so much more pleasant on forums since I started ignoring people who mindlessly argue about such petty things.
 
Well duh this is “Macrumors”. You are unlikely to get an unbiased opinion on Android here
Microstutters and lag on android are an unbiased failing no matter which web site reports it.

And you have backlight bleed on LCD TVS


What’s interesting to note in the comments section

“Had the same issue. Replaced it with an OLED and now watching a movie in a dark room is a very immersive experience.”
What is interesting are people are actually returning oled tvs for burn in, so it's an immersive experience as long as there is no burn in present.

An irrelevant article from where the internet meme originated. Project butter hadn’t even happened then. Show me an article from 2015 and beyond.
That's exactly what most of these YouTube videos are that you stumble across that are years old: irrelevant.

THis is exactly why Google searches irk me. A new OS or hardware drops and the first reviews are out they stick for years on end despite being fixed.

Android =iOS in smoothness and once Project Treble is a success it will achieve parity in updates as well so Apple has a problem on its hands.
The articles on the internet that refer to this seem to disagree. Apple does have a problem with record earnings, record stock price, valuation approaching 1 trillion. Yep, it has a real problem.

I said apps on iOS cannot affect the OS in such a major way as to cause persistent stutters and lags throughout the OS
A badly misbehaved program or app can being down virtually any computer system including z-os.

Is this a flagship laptop?

My Dell Studio XPS 8000 from 2009 is getting to 9 years old, has seen Windows 7,8, and 10 and yet boots in 15 second on Windows 10 compared to 25 on Windows 7.
All of my purchases are flagships, but windows 10 is not all that. Boot time is an irrelevant metric, imo. Speed and battery life are much more relevant.

I pointed out the relevant solution on Android. If nothing is installed you can always resort to Allo and Duo.
That's not even close to a solution; getting an agreement on which video or messaging app to use. iOS users have no such issues.

Its a cold hard fact. If a payment of $3B allows Apple to set a privacy killing data mongering monster like Google as default search engine I can only imagine what bigger amounts can be used to control Apple.
There is a big difference between hyperbole and facts. Facts and proof are sadly what is lacking here.

Then tell me a flagship on Android which is in the same league in ALL respects as the S8.

Is Huawei even in profit? Huawei is a tiny blip on the radar to Samsung. Samsung has far bigger fish to fry like Apple.
The issue here and why Samsung is under fire, one has to pay almost double the price to get a measly 5% better phone in the specs department. It's the same logic seemingly used (by some) to justify lower cost android alternatives against the iPhone. It's Samsung that will be the loser as people won't pay double the price for a 5% bump.

I will post it in just a few weeks. In the meantime, grab all the info on the iPhone 8 from Cupertino itself in the HomePod firmware which Apple “accidentally” leaked.
So right now you have nothing but speculation. Got it.

Never seen such a link. I am surprised at this revelation considering every Android forum I frequent has called the OnePlus 5 the fastest phone.
Interesting the amount of "specs" needed to run android phones at iPhone flagship speeds.

What if he is on a laptop? Plan scuppered LOL
What if the laptop is in the desert without wifi. Plan scuppered as well. With an iPhone and any signal 100% guarantee can be reach by any iOS users.
 
Microstutters and lag on android are an unbiased failing no matter which web site reports it.
This is a blanket statement without any proof. I already showed you posts of lags and freezing on iOS and Anandtech’s tech review even documents their lag findings. The reality is both are the same now.


What is interesting are people are actually returning oled tvs for burn in, so it's an immersive experience as long as there is no burn in present.
There is nothing official about that article you link. Its as good as iFixit’s statistics about the prevalence of Touch Disease in iPhone 6


That's exactly what most of these YouTube videos are that you stumble across that are years old: irrelevant.
At least the evidence I post isn’t 5 years old. Here we are on Android 8.0 Oreo and you post an article on Android 4.1 and you apply that to 8 without mentioning the very important fact that that article was written pre Project Butter.




The articles on the internet that refer to this seem to disagree. Apple does have a problem with record earnings, record stock price, valuation approaching 1 trillion. Yep, it has a real problem.
What articles?

Yes it will have a problem. Intel just got a kick in the rear by AMD into rushing their lineup ahead of schedule. We were being drip fed small performance improvements every year and Intel’s stock was touching record highs. Even now Ryzen wont achieve the earnings that Intel will but the consumer won in that Intel actually started coming out with competitive products.

Similarly we have the Android competition to thank for the iPhone 8. Otherwise we would still be stuck on a lousy 4 inch LCD


A badly misbehaved program or app can being down virtually any computer system including z-os.
That’s what I was trying to tell you that unlike in other OS, apps on iOS operate inside silos which means unlike Android there is no way they can affect the OS


All of my purchases are flagships, but windows 10 is not all that. Boot time is an irrelevant metric, imo. Speed and battery life are much more relevant.
You can downgrade that machine any time you want which is a huge factor.


That's not even close to a solution; getting an agreement on which video or messaging app to use. iOS users have no such issues.
Allo and Duo are preinstalled now on Android. Its just that Skype, Viber and WhatsApp are just more prevalent just like how WhatsApp trumps iMessage on iOS outside the US


The issue here and why Samsung is under fire, one has to pay almost double the price to get a measly 5% better phone in the specs department. It's the same logic seemingly used (by some) to justify lower cost android alternatives against the iPhone. It's Samsung that will be the loser as people won't pay double the price for a 5% bump.
Please tell me where I can find a Huawei phone with a bezel less curved edge OLED display and an iris scanner. I am ready to pay double just for that display.

Huawei is lousy with updates and support. So you can be sure Samsung aren’t afraid of that small timer. Like Xiaomi they will shine for a while and then die.



Interesting the amount of "specs" needed to run android phones at iPhone flagship speeds.
Its simple really. Android does a loṭ more tasks than iOS and hence needs a loṭ more specs.



What if the laptop is in the desert without wifi. Plan scuppered as well. With an iPhone and any signal 100% guarantee can be reach by any iOS users.

My Skype call automatically gets synced with my laptop the moment the network comes online. Does Facetime?
 
Just responding to non-hyperbole laden points.

This is a blanket statement without any proof.
Lots of blanket statements posted without proof, unfortunately most people do not know how to debate without confusing opinion and fact.

There is nothing official about that article you link. Its as good as iFixit’s statistics about the prevalence of Touch Disease in iPhone 6
Okay, touché to the articles you link to as well.

Similarly we have the Android competition to thank for the iPhone 8. Otherwise we would still be stuck on a lousy 4 inch LCD
Incorrect. You have Apple to thank for larger screens and the iPhone 1. Like the iPod theniohone 1 was revolutionary although Apple didn't invent the cell phone.

Allo and Duo are preinstalled now on Android. Its just that Skype, Viber and WhatsApp are just more prevalent just like how WhatsApp trumps iMessage on iOS outside the US
So you are still in the same place if all you have is hangouts. Nowhere.

Please tell me where I can find a Huawei phone with a bezel less curved edge OLED display and an iris scanner. I am ready to pay double just for that display.

Huawei is lousy with updates and support. So you can be sure Samsung aren’t afraid of that small timer. Like Xiaomi they will shine for a while and then die.
You are proving my point. Paying double for a 5% increment in functionality. That is why Samsung will be in trouble.

Its simple really. Android does a loṭ more tasks than iOS and hence needs a loṭ more specs.
Along with more inefficient.

My Skype call automatically gets synced with my laptop the moment the network comes online. Does Facetime?
Yes and also iMessage.
 
Just responding to non-hyperbole laden points.


Lots of blanket statements posted without proof, unfortunately most people do not know how to debate without confusing opinion and fact.

So lets summarise. Your implying that Android is laggier than iOS based on an Article written 5 years ago on an Android version 4 iterations prior. Is that correct?


Okay, touché to the articles you link to as well.
The articles Inlink are official articles and not clickbait. That site you link reminds me of Wccftech which scours over forums and post whatever they come across as breaking news.


Incorrect. You have Apple to thank for larger screens and the iPhone 1. Like the iPod theniohone 1 was revolutionary although Apple didn't invent the cell phone.
I don’t recall any Apple handheld with a 5.5 inch prior to 2013. Can you show some evidence?

Again wrong. Steve Jobs invented the smartphone and tablet and iPod. The guy was a legend.


So you are still in the same place if all you have is hangouts. Nowhere.
You clearly aren’t in touch with Android. Hangouts was phased out into Allo and Duo.

You are proving my point. Paying double for a 5% increment in functionality. That is why Samsung will be in trouble.
THats where you are wrong. An OLED display is note a 5 increment in functionality. Its almost a 50% increase in functionality.

Build quality,wireless charging, Samsung Pay( a big plus considering its adoption is higher than Apple Pay) , software support, state of the art curved edge OLED Display, support for Oculus and Galaxy VR. This is why Samsung is the best on Android and Huawei will never catch.


Along with more inefficient.
It does more tasks so obviously it wont be as good at the tasks it does like iOS.


Yes and also iMessage.

With Windows? You know, the relevant operating system?
 
S8+ is a great phone hardware wise, but ios beats Android any day of the week. I also noticed the same app when used on iPhone and galaxy feels like night and day, the ios version feels so much user friendly and more intuitive than the Android version.

Been so tempted to dip my toes back in the android waters but comments like this are sobering. That was my biggest gripe with Android — the quality of apps. I guess not much has changed over the years.
 
Been so tempted to dip my toes back in the android waters but comments like this are sobering. That was my biggest gripe with Android — the quality of apps. I guess not much has changed over the years.

I am an Android fan but there is no doubt iOS has higher quality apps. Not by much but its there.
 
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