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So will Apple ever offer us the full web in a tablet device like the others do?
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This looks great, I wonder if Apple may use it in the future.
Certainly would open up a new range of possibilities to the touch interface and what it can do.
Watch the video on this page to see it in action:
http://www.slashgear.com/cyress-add-finger-hover-tracking-to-touchscreens-video-2182656/
Certainly would open up a new range of possibilities to the touch interface and what it can do.
Watch the video on this page to see it in action:
http://www.slashgear.com/cyress-add-finger-hover-tracking-to-touchscreens-video-2182656/
I'm not sure how your FACT proves the statement false. Are you saying that the fact that they are widely available means they are open?
And for what it's worth, Jobs referred to Adobe's Flash products. The most central to this discussion is the Flash Player which is closed.
Again, you didn't contradict the statement from Steve Jobs at all.
How do you differentiate between stroll and mouseover? How do you differentiate between hover and mouse down? The problem exists equally in HTML and Flash. What he said was if you need to rewrite the website for touch-based devices, why not use HTML and related technologies instead of flash?
I read the articles. They provide tangential arguments that do not contradict any of the claims Jobs made outside of a difference of opinion.
I'm sorry but saying Flash is dead is like saying that Gasoline is dead. Sure it will go away eventually, but not going to happen for a long, long time.
I don't see why we should move away from a perfectly fine, working technology, because it doesnt work so well on around 6% of the computer market?
On one hand I have Apple calling Adobe lazy with Flash on Mac, saying they couldnt be bothered to code it properly.
On the other, I have Adobe saying that Apple refused to help them in anyway with developing Flash, like they really should have. Like Microsoft did on Flash for Windows.
I don't know who to believe on that arguement.
I don't see why we should move away from a perfectly fine, working technology, because it doesnt work so well on around 6% of the computer market?
On one hand I have Apple calling Adobe lazy with Flash on Mac, saying they couldnt be bothered to code it properly.
On the other, I have Adobe saying that Apple refused to help them in anyway with developing Flash, like they really should have. Like Microsoft did on Flash for Windows.
I don't know who to believe on that arguement.
1. Flash is part of the web.
2. The Ipad's inabilty displaying flash cripples the web experience.
3. Period. there is no point in denying the obvious.
even if
* Apple has good reasons for avoiding flash
* Flash is only a temporary phenomen (which may be true for the whole www btw)
* the Ipad is a great decice as it is
...the web experience given by the Ipad is crippled...and that is not a good thing. Period.
let me add: Apple is completely free to design and launch the products they like. The consumer is free to choose other products.
unfortunately we are not entitled to a flash playing Ipad. Alas, we can't even sue Apple.
2. The Ipad's inabilty displaying flash cripples the web experience.
3. Period. there is no point in denying the obvious.
even if
* Apple has good reasons for avoiding flash
* Flash is only a temporary phenomen (which may be true for the whole www btw)
* the Ipad is a great decice as it is
...the web experience given by the Ipad is crippled...and that is not a good thing. Period.
let me add: Apple is completely free to design and launch the products they like. The consumer is free to choose other products.
unfortunately we are not entitled to a flash playing Ipad. Alas, we can't even sue Apple.
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I hope you're being sarcastic... but the general tone of your posts suggest you might not be. Which is, in a word, scary.
of course, I was ironic...
written on an Ipad btw...
Then why didnt it auto-correct to 'iPad' like mine does?
Sent from my IE6 Browser on the Intel Pentium Dell at Work
Then why didnt it auto-correct to 'iPad' like mine does?
Sent from my IE6 Browser on the Intel Pentium Dell at Work
...because I deactivated the auto-correct feature...the world is entitled to my typos...that was ironic again...
in German language it does a really poor job...
I was around 20% on the HTML 5 and 25-30% on the Flash game.
However I noticed that on the Flash game, the only Flash was the game, the advertisement video wasn't. (I use click to flash). So i wanted something more Flash heavy.
Try this one out. http://cozciebiewyrosnie.pl/#/en/
I can keep CPU usage in the 90% range while playing. Around 50% when there is no action.
Computer is iMac 8,1, 2.66, 2 gigs of ram. Did a clean install of SL less than a month ago.
I know this site would severely choke the old 3.06 (single, WinXP Pro, 2 gig.)
I just tried that link you posted above.
There are 4 different games, I tried the last one (planet earth with radio waves) and cpu was around the 30% mark during gameplay
I then tried the second Sewer Cleaner one and cpu was around 20% during gameplay
What machine do you have.
Mine is not the latest and greatest by a long way, but it generally handles most things well enough. I'm considering an upgrade this year to make it a bit more punchy
No, because it would be running external code which is against the rules. On the other hand, you could release a flash game on the app store where your game consisted of a flash player and the flash file, so the player doesn't run any external code.
Try the closet cleaner. Also what machanines are yall using? How are you measuring CPU usage. Anything else running? Services ect...???
What machine do you have.
Mine is not the latest and greatest by a long way, but it generally handles most things well enough. I'm considering an upgrade this year to make it a bit more punchy
Dell Inspiron 1545 Laptop
So it has...
Intel Core 2 Duo P8600
4GB RAM
ATi HD4330
Bluray - Huzzah
Running Windows 7 Ultimate, 64-bit.
I doubt Jobs will be convinced to provide Flash on an iOS device at this point. He gave reasons that are arguable, but also reasonable from Apple's point of view and he won't suddenly change his tune now.
If you really want Apple to offer Flash, simply stop buying the iOS products and Apple will go back to the drawing board to rethink the matter. Personally I doubt that'll happen anytime soon.
If you really want Apple to offer Flash, simply stop buying the iOS products and Apple will go back to the drawing board to rethink the matter. Personally I doubt that'll happen anytime soon.
1. Mouse-over states are present in non-flash sites as well.
2. Not every Flash site has them.
3. Removing mouse-over states from a site is easy, and does not require a complete recoding.
He also pushed web-apps over native apps in the begining.
That ignores one massive difference between the lack of 3rd party apps and lack of Flash: The sales result.
The iPhone was hampered by the lack of 3rd party apps in the beginning and when they opened up the appstore the iPhone sales genuinely took off because of that. It was a great marketing tool and convinced the general public to truly appreciate the utility.
On the contrary the lack of Flash doesn't seem to hurt the iOS devices all that much. People knew exactly how Flash would be lacking on the iPad after years of iPhone experience, and yet they bought the iPad in droves, more so than the first iPhone.
"Full web experience," although sounds nice to geeks, just doesn't have the same jibe to the general public and won't convince Jobs to change his mind. Of course I could very well be wrong, but if you were betting how much would you bet that sales of the next Flash-less iPad will tower over "full web experience" tablets like the RIM Playbook and the Motorola Xoom? Unless that situation changes, I don't see Jobs change his stance.
Nope. This is strictly about how SJ can and has changed his mind about what Apple will do. Heck he also said Apple wouldn't be doing a tablet in the past. Its possible that once Adobe actually ships a good Flash plugin it will be allowed in Safari or as a stand-alone app.
It's possible but my claim here is that he seems to genuinely believe that this is more than just the performance issue. He doesn't think letting Flash into iOS does good for the user experience in the long term and he does have a point albeit highly contentious one.
But what you said about the tablet is exactly my point. It's all about the sales. The iPad was made possible because Jobs saw the potential of a tablet device from the success of the iPhone, which is really a small tablet. Likewise if sales result says the iPads can be sold at a much higher rate if Flash is added, he'll be forced to do it. Otherwise he won't.
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The point being discussed was Jobs claim in "Thoughts on Flash." He didn't say it was a unique problem to flash or that it could not be fixed with a rewrite in Flash. He said that "If developers need to rewrite their Flash websites, why not use modern technologies like HTML5, CSS and JavaScript?"
And mouse-over isn't the only issue in legacy flash apps not designed for multitouch mobile devices. There is also right and middle clicks and mouse wheels events. And the fact that a software keyboard is going to take up half the screen. And you can't hold a key down to repeat it.
None of these problems are unique to Flash. They are common problems for the types of things that Flash was used for when transitioning from keyboard/mouse to mobile, multitouch devices.
Of course Steve Jobs has changed his mind many times about Apple products. But I don't think that your web apps vs native apps argument is a good example. There is no evidence that I know of that Apple didn't have plans to release an SDK from the beginning. It just wasn't ready.
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I was specifically responding to “Try converting mouse hovering to touch events”.
This line of thinking can be applied to Flash.
There is no evidence, that I know of**, that Apple didn't have plans to allow Flash from the beginning. It just wasn't ready.
** “Thoughts on Flash” is not evidence.
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