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Resolved (Some) Fat people's attitude
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Implying attractive persons shouldn't be humble and kind.
No, the only implication is that people who have no room to judge should be the ones that don't. Everyone should spend a lot less time judging others and acting superior - but especially those picking up rocks while living in glass houses.
I have yet to meet a perfect person.
BMI has always been a poor measure of fatness. It totally ignores muscle mass, which is actually heavier than fat. Ronnie Coleman, 8-time Mr. Olympia, would be considered as very obese because of his 46.3 BMI (180cm - 150kg). Yet his fat % can be count with one hand's fingers.
The best way of measuring one's fatness is going for a fat % measurement. That will take muscle and other masses into account and will tell you how fat you really are. Of course, mirror is pretty honest too.
Although BMI is a horrible way to measure body fatness for an athlete, it is not a bad place to start for a couch potato. BMI does have its uses but you need to understand how/when you apply it. I had a guy (new to the gym) that was clearly overweight give me the same argument but sadly, in his case, it was accurate. That being said, once you start to workout the BMI scale goes out the window the only good way an individual can check is by tape and caliper (minus using labs). At 6'1" and 209 I am considered overweight. However, I and in top shape and dare I say the best of my life easily pressing in 225+!
So I guess all the other people in this thread that have reported witnessing similar conduct are also like me abrasive and alienating.
Nice generalization here. The fact that I'm not alone in witnessing this lends me to believe that in fact my personality (which is quite different from my cold and direct approach on Internet boards) is not at play here.
In fact, it's just people that need to be ignored, plain and simple. Nice attack there, ignoring again all the 4 previous pages where all of this was covered.
Anyway, to answer your post to show you there's no hard feelings here, there are many levels of obesity, and then there's what you describe, which is morbid obesity. At 5'9", when I was down to around 200, I was still quite obese. It wasn't until I hit about 175 that I started considering myself healthy weight again. Obese does not mean monstrously big. It just means that you are overweight by a certain margin. It's just a label.
BMI is not perfect either, it needs to be combined with body fat % in order to get a true image of a person's health status. You can have very high BMI yet be healthy like an Ox if you're fit and in shape (in fact, many athletes have BMIs indicating they are overweight or obese, yet are probably in better shape than 98% of the population).
No one should judge anyone else period. Reading both your posts, you seem to be saying that people who have "room to judge" can do so. There is no "the people who are less humble should be the most", everyone should be an equal degree of humble.
Yeah, it can still be directional if you have very little muscle mass. Maybe I was a bit too aggressive. I wasn't trying to sound like one of those guys eating a 2lb burger and saying that BMI is crap - I have gone through the weight loss process and I know what it is. I also know what it feels to be fat, considering that my BMI used to be around 30.
Mirror is probably the best place to start though. It shows you the fat and muscle you have and looking better is also one of the main reasons why people want to lose weight.
I know what you mean, I just didn't want folks taking away that it wasn't worth a flip.
Not to sound narcissistic, but you are right, the mirror is what I really look at not to figure out what I need to work on. I still have some belly fat but that is simply eating right and burning the calories.
Most offices I have worked in have people all up in your business. Tis the way it is.
No, I'm not saying if you're genetically and financially perfect with incredible intelligence you should walk around judging others. You're reading an implication that isn't there. I simply said if you aren't perfect, there is even less reason to judge on top of the universal idea of not judging someone for the fact that it's ignorant.
I think that's the point. There is never "even less", there never should be any reason. If there's room for less, that means there's some reason there (kind of like "I could care less" and "I couldn't care less).
It's a debate of semantics I know, but I'm not the only one that caught on that part of your post. Maybe your posts are just misphrased, but to me and it seems to (marc) it wasn't clear that you weren't implying that people can have a reason to judge if they have some physical/financial/intellectual level that is above someone else.
Anyway, I think we can agree no one should judge someone else, be it on physical or intellectual deficiencies. Not everyone is born equal and having less than perfect looks doesn't mean a lesser person.
Well, we're sitting there making conversation. I guess some people's way of "making" conversation is to make fun of others. I prefer talking recent events myself.
Yep, it is called insecurity! Just ignore them jabs at you, life is too short.
^^ LOL that was my southern drawl coming out... Just ignore them there jabs ya hear!
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Exactly. Sometimes it's really hard to let go of the little things, but in this case that's easily the best course of action.
My co-workers have shown not shown ignorance or lied or spread misinformation and usually when presented with facts, they modify their position if their position was not based on factual evidence.
I was talking about Macrumors poster, some who like to spread FUD and live with their heads in the cloud.
Right, I made my point. Arguing semantics on a message board is an exercise in frustration, and I've just had my tea, so I'm good.
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I actually don't think my posts are misphrased at all, but I can certainly see how something I didn't intend could be read into them. By the same token of you pointing out that you and (marc) came to a similar conclusion, me and some others on this thread have said that it appears that some of the problem here lies with you - in your posts and in all likelihood your tone in real life. Perhaps you should at least think about your own culpability in the situation.
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I think we can agree on that.
So I guess all the other people in this thread that have reported witnessing similar conduct are also like me abrasive and alienating.
Nice generalization here. The fact that I'm not alone in witnessing this lends me to believe that in fact my personality (which is quite different from my cold and direct approach on Internet boards) is not at play here.
In fact, it's just people that need to be ignored, plain and simple. Nice attack there, ignoring again all the 4 previous pages where all of this was covered.
Attack? How did I attack you? That word is used far too liberally on this board.
You asked why people negatively reacted to things you said. Myself and others pointed out that sometimes you come across as abrasive. Never once did I say you were better or worse than anyone else on this board because that wasn't the topic of conversation (I could list plenty of people I find far more annoying if you really want me to). I'm not calling you a bad person or anything, just trying to clarify why others may have the reaction they do.
Anyway, I was not trying to judge you and certainly wasn't trying to attack you. If you felt attacked, I'm sorry. In fact, at the end, I claimed that I am much the same way, and I'm fully aware of it...hard to judge someone for what I do myself.
No, I asked why people negatively reacted to things I eat if you read my initial post closely.
First of all - congrats!
I'm in a similar boat having lost weight over the last few years and really trimmed down the last 5 months.
I've gotten similar flak from some of my own relatives who are obese. They joke at me for not eating certain types of foods and for having smaller portion sizes. They even hack on me for not allowing my kids to eat alot of the crap foods either.
For the last one, I'm pretty vehement about explaining that I want my kids to be healthy and to know snacks in moderation is ok, but to pig out is just unacceptable and will impact their bodies later. I'm the same way with playing video games on sunny days, which is basically not allowed. Too many fat kids and adults these days. Although we live in a free society, I don't want me or my kids impacting the health care system by being gluttons and lazy ppl.
About me, I tell my relatives to support me instead of hacking on me. I explain that this transition isn't easy and that teetering with eating a little bit of this and a bit of that ends up being way too much. I also explain how hard I do work out and the sacrifices I make to ensure I do get to workout. I ended up gaining 5 lbs while on vacation which may not seem like alot, but i'm a small guy so it's like 12-15 lbs on a regular sized adult. I also slacked in my eating habits and it's been a bitch to get off again. I'm just starting to come down after increasing my workouts and really paying attention to eating.
I also explain how good I feel, how much energy I have and how more productive i am. Then I usually say I'll never go back to not feeling this good.
My point, tell your co-workers the same thing - that it's not easy trimming down and the hacking bugs you.
Has anyone been motivated by your weight loss? Or do they all hack on you?
Personally, I think some obese people hack on others because they are insecure and afraid to take on the same challenge. Not all, but I would bet that is the majority of the case. I believe insecurity and obesity are linked. Maybe not in all cases, but again, for the majority.
I also ripely snapped at one person who continue to hack on me and told them, "well you know how you pathetically wheeze going up 1 flight of stairs? Well i'm like that after running 5k in around 21 minutes so think about that."
Sure, that was being a pr*ck, but I had enough of their BS.
Stay strong.
Cheers,
keebler
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absolutely! BMI is really a joke, but it is a barometer for indicating changes when there's such an awesome decrease.
Personally, I use a handheld BF reader and my scale does it as well although both are far from perfect. Again though, they do show a relative pattern and it helps for motivation. I've almost paid to do the dunk in water BF count, which is apparently the most accurate, but then again, i'm not a pro athlete and I know when I need to lose more
Cheers,
Keebler
I'm in a similar boat having lost weight over the last few years and really trimmed down the last 5 months.
I've gotten similar flak from some of my own relatives who are obese. They joke at me for not eating certain types of foods and for having smaller portion sizes. They even hack on me for not allowing my kids to eat alot of the crap foods either.
For the last one, I'm pretty vehement about explaining that I want my kids to be healthy and to know snacks in moderation is ok, but to pig out is just unacceptable and will impact their bodies later. I'm the same way with playing video games on sunny days, which is basically not allowed. Too many fat kids and adults these days. Although we live in a free society, I don't want me or my kids impacting the health care system by being gluttons and lazy ppl.
About me, I tell my relatives to support me instead of hacking on me. I explain that this transition isn't easy and that teetering with eating a little bit of this and a bit of that ends up being way too much. I also explain how hard I do work out and the sacrifices I make to ensure I do get to workout. I ended up gaining 5 lbs while on vacation which may not seem like alot, but i'm a small guy so it's like 12-15 lbs on a regular sized adult. I also slacked in my eating habits and it's been a bitch to get off again. I'm just starting to come down after increasing my workouts and really paying attention to eating.
I also explain how good I feel, how much energy I have and how more productive i am. Then I usually say I'll never go back to not feeling this good.
My point, tell your co-workers the same thing - that it's not easy trimming down and the hacking bugs you.
Has anyone been motivated by your weight loss? Or do they all hack on you?
Personally, I think some obese people hack on others because they are insecure and afraid to take on the same challenge. Not all, but I would bet that is the majority of the case. I believe insecurity and obesity are linked. Maybe not in all cases, but again, for the majority.
I also ripely snapped at one person who continue to hack on me and told them, "well you know how you pathetically wheeze going up 1 flight of stairs? Well i'm like that after running 5k in around 21 minutes so think about that."
Sure, that was being a pr*ck, but I had enough of their BS.
Stay strong.
Cheers,
keebler
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absolutely! BMI is really a joke, but it is a barometer for indicating changes when there's such an awesome decrease.
Personally, I use a handheld BF reader and my scale does it as well although both are far from perfect. Again though, they do show a relative pattern and it helps for motivation. I've almost paid to do the dunk in water BF count, which is apparently the most accurate, but then again, i'm not a pro athlete and I know when I need to lose more
Cheers,
Keebler
I don't know if someone had stated it already, but for such a situation as you mentioned, you should either be honest and upfront that their comments is bothering or hurting you, or you laugh along and poke fun at yourself and your efforts to lose weight. What I see happening is that you get bothered by these comments, and react defensively. Its not a matter of which lifestyle, yours or theirs, is right, so neither you nor they need to be defensive. I would go the route of honestly telling them that you're bothered by their jabs at you. I'm pretty sure they will let up, or move on to poking fun at you for being too touchy feelly.
I'm a student, so I typically eat fast food/take out for every mean and have been whenever I'm not at home for the duration of university. I also drink pretty much every night, and I have lost 10 pounds since coming to university (I used to play sports/practice every day) and I'm currently 5'9 127lbs. I can't explain it and people always wonder. I'm pretty sure I'm dying. I wouldn't mind gaining 5 - 10 pounds of fat .
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I;m sorry but I believe obese ppl have no one to blame but themself. For them to say I don't have time to work out is bs. I'm studying electrical engineering, work out 3-5 times a week, tutor on the side, and golf/ski etc. If I have time so do you. At least watch ur diet I mean come on. But it is their life so they can do what they plz
I don't make fun of or judge fatties let alone even use the term in real life, I've only been using the term because its whats been used in this thread. The spongebob picture should've made it clear that I wasn't serious. In fact, you ware the one who said I make fun of them.
Bleh, cultural differences.
I never EVER made fun of them, just took gratification when some people at work who were giving me **** was put into a socially awkward situation because of their weight and the social stigma attached to it.
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I'm a student, so I typically eat fast food/take out for every mean and have been whenever I'm not at home for the duration of university. I also drink pretty much every night, and I have lost 10 pounds since coming to university (I used to play sports/practice every day) and I'm currently 5'9 127lbs. I can't explain it and people always wonder. I'm pretty sure I'm dying. I wouldn't mind gaining 5 - 10 pounds of fat
That will come to an end when you get older. At 24 I weighed 165 while I was in the Army. Two years after I got out I weighed 200 and eventually 250.
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