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IMO those are the folks who won’t upgrade period unless they’re forced to. My parents hate change and said he’ll no when asked. Lol. But I do know the XR is simply too big and would be a nonstarter for them. The XR is pure marketing speculation like the 5C was. It’s round 2 and apple thinks they got it this time. I’ll agree they set this up better but it remains to be seen.

Considering prior history has been a bust you pretty much should err on the side that the XS/XS Max will perform better for apple. I sure as heck wouldn’t be betting the farm on XR if you’re a stockholder or analyst. Not to mention the 7 and 8 is still for sale which are even cheaper if that’s the crowd that’s supposed to buy XR.
I think Apple would be more than happy for the Xr to not sell as well as the Xs. Stockholders dont care which model sells as long as Apple is making money. I think this just helps fill in the gaps for those that dont need/want to spend $1k. This gives them a more competitively priced phone that has a lot of their latest tech with some features missing that I dont think a lot of people will really miss.
 
And iOS needs half the RAM of android phones to perform better.

What’s your point?

The A12 alone is by far the leading chip in the industry and there are plenty of examples Apple hardware is superior. Not to mention, many want iOS and nothing else.

iOS needs half the RAM because it doesn't support multitasking.

The A12 is a marketing gimmick. So far the only use application that's been demonstrated is Apple's broken and always-on beauty mode.

There are plenty of examples of Apple's hardware being inferior too.

Only wanting iOS is fair enough if your workflow is built around it. It's the modern equivalent of how people used to be tied to Windows because their workplace demanded everything to be done in Word.
 
Didn't they use the same ploy with iPhone 5c? Plus, those who were burnt by the iPhone Xs and Xs Max issues aren't going to rush to be paying beta testers again.
Just going to keep replying the same thing?

Not even mentioning the "those who were burnt" part.... Who on earth bought a XS or Max and then turned around a month later and bought themselves a Xr?
 
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I was on the fence... but haven't ordered.

3 reasons :-
1. Lack of a home button. I am still not sure face id is a step forward.
2. The Apple event next week may offer other tempting goodies...and I only have so much money.
3. I want to see the colours in store. I know they are returnable but it seems wasteful.

Deag
 
iOS needs half the RAM because it doesn't support multitasking.

The A12 is a marketing gimmick. So far the only use application that's been demonstrated is Apple's broken and always-on beauty mode.

There are plenty of examples of Apple's hardware being inferior too.

Only wanting iOS is fair enough if your workflow is built around it. It's the modern equivalent of how people used to be tied to Windows because their workplace demanded everything to be done in Word.
The iPhone XS cameras have tested (objectively) as one of the best smartphone cameras out today. They take amazing photos, thanks in large part to the A12 and neural engine 5T operations per second.

Apple is the clear leader in mobile silicon, period. This is not up for debate. The A-series chips are BEASTS and this will set Apple up for the future.

Chips like the A12 are more beneficial than you think. It's fast chips that makes the iPhone useable far longer than other phones. They are also building for the future, which will be huge for the next wave of computing on mobile. Why would we not want silicon advancing at a high rate?

The screen was tested (objectively) as the best smartphone display on the market by DisplayMate. Say what you want, but the testing is scientific...

Apple also has the fastest storage on the market (tested) and the best and most secure facial recognition hardware Android has still not caught up with.

I just gave you hardware 4 items Apple is clearly leading or among leaders as proven by science in some cases and industry experts in others.

iOS is really all Apple needs to separate themselves from the competition, but they've even started doing it with hardware as I just explained.
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I have a feeling that people who are involved/around/interested in tech see Elon Musk as a "new way of thinking" and in their mind that's immediately better than what came before. However, as you point out, "BMW, Porsche, Toyota, or Mercedes" to those companies cars are their bread and butter and they are way more experienced than Tesla.
Toyota sold their old manufacturing tech to Tesla because it was viewed as behind in the industry.

You ever seen a BMW plant? There are like no humans. Oh, and BMW knows how to make electric cars too (when they need to). The tech is not proprietary and is almost entirely about manufacturing ability, which Tesla isn't even in the top 10.
 
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My biggest question still is how good will portrait mode be on the Xr — that's the deal breaker for me. is the software good enough to look as good as my iPhone 8+?

The portrait mode will not be as good as your 8+: the XR uses software to do portrait on a wide angle lens, while 8+ does it with dual camera and produces a portrait with tele lens. The perspective will be different. The XR can not do portrait mode on anything but people.
 
I was on the fence... but haven't ordered.

3 reasons :-
1. Lack of a home button. I am still not sure face id is a step forward.
2. The Apple event next week may offer other tempting goodies...and I only have so much money.
3. I want to see the colours in store. I know they are returnable but it seems wasteful.

Deag

All fine reasons.

The 10-30 event is what I am waiting for, I need a new Mac. As far as the Xr, I need to see the screen in store and hear reactions about WiFi / LTE connections before I even consider trading this 7+ in (if I get the trade in value I am aiming for).
 
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Ship times on the majority of the non black or white models are now slipping to 1-2 weeks (I think one of the yellow models had 2-3 weeks even). But as of now, can still do in store pickup.
 
The iPhone XS cameras have tested (objectively) as one of the best smartphone cameras out today. They take amazing photos, thanks in large part to the A12 and neural engine 5T operations per second.

Apple is the clear leader in mobile silicon, period. This is not up for debate. The A-series chips are BEASTS and this will set Apple up for the future.

Chips like the A12 are more beneficial than you think. It's fast chips that makes the iPhone useable far longer than other phones. They are also building for the future, which will be huge for the next wave of computing on mobile. Why would we not want silicon advancing at a high rate?

The screen was tested (objectively) as the best smartphone display on the market by DisplayMate. Say what you want, but the testing is scientific...

Apple also has the fastest storage on the market (tested) and the best and most secure facial recognition hardware Android has still not caught up with.

I just gave you hardware 4 items Apple is clearly leading or among leaders as proven by science in some cases and industry experts in others.

iOS is really all Apple needs to separate themselves from the competition, but they've even started doing it with hardware as I just explained.
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Toyota sold their old manufacturing tech to Tesla because it was viewed as behind in the industry.

You ever seen a BMW plant? There are like no humans. Oh, and BMW knows how to make electric cars too (when they need to). The tech is not proprietary and is almost entirely about manufacturing ability, which Tesla isn't even in the top 10.

The power of the A12 is useless since nothing requires it apart form artificial benchmarks. Apple phones still end up slower at mobile/internet tasks because of their crippled modems.

The efficiency of the A12 is great. But instead of using that to deliver the longest battery life they use it to get away with sticking in a cheap battery and padding their bottom line.

I agree the chips could do some great stuff in the future, doesn't mean I want to pay for them now though.

DisplayMate scientific <laugh>

Apple's new LCD screen is garbage and can't even manage 1080p. In 2018. Their OLEDs are second rate and induce headaches in many users. Apple's main cameras are average for modern flagships in terms of photo quality. The video quality is abysmal in low light. Their front facing camera is unusable due to signal processing flaws covered up by massive amounts of blur.
 
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Red models are so popular here so I ultimately choose a black one. At least it will be the most invisible one for me.

It is also interesting that people with a contract tend to choose a black or white model but people pre-ordering on Apple.com prefer a red model.
 
Just going to keep replying the same thing?

Not even mentioning the "those who were burnt" part.... Who on earth bought a XS or Max and then turned around a month later and bought themselves a Xr?

Meant to edit from "paid beta testers" to "paying beta testers" because obviously Apple aren't paying them to beta test.

As for your question, people who were burnt and returned their iPhone Xs or Xs Max due to reception issue, performance and video playback lag, yellow screen, etc. and need an alternative.
 

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Why would you think that passion for one device is related to the cost of the device? All sorts of people would line up for devices. Its not a second tier devices in terms of functionality. In price perhaps.

It is second tier in comparison to the Xs. It is very close, but it is still second tier. Being a better value does not make it first tier.

Apple Fan Boys, early adopters, tech enthusiasts, and such are the folks who would pre-order a phone on launch day. I would think that most of such folks would order the Xs. I think those folks with the most passion for the phones are more likely to pay extra for the marginal additional features of the Xs. Passion equates to willingness to spend more money, but the Xr's best feature is that it is cheaper.

I think the Xr will outsell the Xs among the customers who buy their phones by walking into a store and looking at what is available to buy that day. The vast majority of iPhones are sold in this manner. The pre-order crowd is large, but they just a small fraction of the phones sold over the course of a year.
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HOLY SIDE BEZELS, CHIN, FOREHEAD AND NOTCH BATMAN!

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Huh, you call that a chin? I think the black line around the color screen looks great actually. But there certainly isn't a chin.
 
The power of the A12 is useless since nothing requires it apart form artificial benchmarks. Apple phones still end up slower at mobile/internet tasks because of their crippled modems.
You have some citations to support these “facts” Because I believe the entire paragraph is incorrect.

The efficiency of the A12 is great. But instead of using that to deliver the longest battery life they use it to get away with sticking in a cheap battery and padding their bottom line.
Profits first, customers second meme.

I agree the chips could do some great stuff in the future, doesn't mean I want to pay for them now though.
So okay. Buy what you believe is best for you.

Apple's new LCD screen is garbage and can't even manage 1080p. In 2018. Their OLEDs are second rate and induce headaches in many users. Apple's main cameras are average for modern flagships in terms of photo quality. The video quality is abysmal in low light. Their front facing camera is unusable due to signal processing flaws covered up by massive amounts of blur.
Okay, so don’t buy it if you believe the lcd screen is garbage.

The cameras in the Xs are at least the second best at this point in time. The video beats everybody else. And Apple is going to have a smashing record breaking fiscal quarter in my opinion.
 
Don’t expect Apple to make an all out press to meet demand people. Expect supply constraints for a long time. High margin devices like the XS/XS Max are Tim’s priority.

Frustrating you into an XS Max is the end game.

Stay vigilant. :apple:

They already played that game releasing the XR later. It seems the yellow is simply more popular than expected. If you want a XR there is no shortage. Apple has already milked the high end/impatient market and are now serving customers of all budgets. Supply constraints are antithetical to what Tim Cook's role at Apple is.

I hope this comment was sarcasm or I am very glad that you do not have any part in running Apple.

After Apple announces record sales on the phones look for Apple to be worth $1.5 trillion in just over a year.
 
Of course it was painless - you were the only person on the website.

Normally the MacRumors threads are full of people talking about their own preorder. Instead it's full of people talking about how painless it is.

Too bad Tesla isn't taking in-person preorders for a new car next week. It was hilarious with the iPhone 5C launch when morning news crews across the US went to malls planning on covering that, but instead there were 10x as many people preordering a car, so that ended up being the news.

Anyways... I wonder if this will finally pop the AAPL bubble. Probably not. Most people don't see capable of realizing that you don't need to wait for financial data - you can already get a pretty good idea of how it moved based on how many people are actually buying products. Massive reduction in iPhone sales this year? Profits are going to plummet.

You are so off the mark here. I hope you remember this post and we can come back in a year and see how it went.Some analysts are giving a target price of $310 for AAPL. Apple will do $50 billion a year in services alone soon and that isn't in doubt. Whatever is announced later this month isn't priced in yet. The expectation is Apple moves 220 million phones. They will gain many new customers and there are 340 million phones due for upgrade alone. They should easily beat that expectation.

Even less optimistic forecasts all list AAPL is strong and buy. Apple has gone up and down lately with the market. As soon as it drops under around $217 institutions come in and swoop it up.
 
It looks nice because it's symmetric, but it's certainly far bigger than other phones. The XR basically has 4 chins. Nice chins, but chins.

I'd call it Borders. You can't really call it a chin unless it sits out farther than the other sides.
Actually, with the slide to open features from the bottom and with most cases putting a ridge there, a bit of extra space between the screen and the edge of the case might be a nice thing.
 
What makes it all the
I think I better buy a couple more stocks - this is going to be a popular phone.

I actually sat this year out and instead of buying two X Max put the money into AAPL. My 8+ is fine for now. It has actually been a lot more fun watching the launches this way. Can't wait to see what the next event brings. A simple black color in Airpods is a several billion dollar proposition at this point.
 
The power of the A12 is useless since nothing requires it apart form artificial benchmarks. Apple phones still end up slower at mobile/internet tasks because of their crippled modems.

The efficiency of the A12 is great. But instead of using that to deliver the longest battery life they use it to get away with sticking in a cheap battery and padding their bottom line.

I agree the chips could do some great stuff in the future, doesn't mean I want to pay for them now though.

DisplayMate scientific <laugh>

Apple's new LCD screen is garbage and can't even manage 1080p. In 2018. Their OLEDs are second rate and induce headaches in many users. Apple's main cameras are average for modern flagships in terms of photo quality. The video quality is abysmal in low light. Their front facing camera is unusable due to signal processing flaws covered up by massive amounts of blur.
Literally everything you said was based on nothing but your opinion besides the 1080p statement.

With that, I’ll just say there are tons of garbage 1080p displays in TVs and phones. 1080p literally means nothing. It either looks good or not. The iPad is 264ppi and looks outstanding. A color accurate Xr with 326ppi is going to look phenomenal, period.
 
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