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When you boil it down, here is the reason why some of us (And I do stress SOME of us) are hot and bothered about what Lion brings. Mind, I have not and will not upgrade my Pro or my iMac to Lion. I just bought the 2011 Air that had it installed, and this is a clean install. I can only imagine the chaos with my existing computers. Some of you Jobsians are so busy defending what Apple has done that you're not stopping to think...really think...about what you're saying. This is common with Apple overfans...doesn't matter what Jobs tries to change, you convince yourself that it's the right thing because it's change. Even if said change is just not necessary. "Just don't use it!!!" is not a valid answer. Here's why.

  • LaunchPad: What an absolute cluster. If this isn't proof that this OS is destined for a tablet in the future I don't know what is. I might not mind it so much if it weren't for the fact that the Applications folder serves the exact same purpose when added to the Dock. This is an example of a useless feature...something added for the hell of it when it wasn't needed.
  • Mission Control: Those who say it's only a Spaces replacement, that's just not true. It's an unholy hybrid of Spaces and Exposé, quite clearly. It feels like a step in the right direction, but the current implementation has absolutely inane approaches. Why don't minimized apps show up? Why do the top Desktop boxes only show the name when you have 5 or less, otherwise you have to hover over them? Why can't you do your own naming of Desktops if the app doesn't support it in full screen (i.e. Firefox)? Why are you forced to go full screen to get law and order with the windows (see screenshot above for the chaos)?
  • Gestures are all over the place. If the true intent is to blend iOS and Mac OS then why did they remove pinch to zoom in Finder? Seems to me they would have left that in there since it is an iOS-like feature. AN example of an illogical change.
  • Why is it when you have your Dock on the left or the right, it doesn't show up in full screen mode at all? You're forced to have it on the bottom. It's the same damn Dock, why is it different depending on where it is? Also, I did notice when it was on the bottom, sometimes it doesn't respond when you go to the bottom and hover, you have to do it repeatedly for it to show up. Seems like an overall halfassed implementation to me.
  • The default Finder window - MY GOD, what was Apple thinking? "All My Files" is a disaster. No way to get to the HD, as though Apple wants the user to not care about their HD and just rely on shortcuts to get to "common" places. What about non-common places? I don't store my VMs in my folder, I store it at the root, because they need to be accessible to all users without sharing. In Apple's world, I should ignore this? I spent way too much time in the Finder Preferences fixing this chaos.
  • During my flight home, I ran across websites that saw Lion's Safari as a mobile browser and they refused to let me redirect to a desktop page. Now, that might have been a fluke of the mobile broadband that GoGo uses; not sure. But it was unnerving. Even my phone didn't do that.

Working in technology as I do I appreciate all-too-well what Apple wants. They want more customers. I get it. The problem is they don't need to do hybrid unholy pairings. They've got iOS; keep it for the iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch. They've got Mac OS; keep it for MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, Mac Mini, iMac, and whatever server they decide to carry. There is NOTHING wrong with having two operating systems, one for each type of device. If you've got Grandma who doesn't understand a desktop OS then don't get her one; get her an iPad. If you've got people like me who develop and do hard coding then I don't expect to see dumbed-down interfaces in my OS. That's just how I see it. Doesn't matter that "you don't have to use them!!!!11!" I don't want them there. Fix what's broken in Mac OS.

So far the only real improvement with Lion over Snow Leopard has been the ability to indiscriminately resize windows from any corner. One refinement is NOT good.

I understand your points, but i still think that "if you don't like it, don't use it" is a valid answer. Unless the app is actually stopping you from being productive, it's just an added bonus.

1) LaunchPad: Agreed, and as long as the MacBook Air/iPad mutant has OS X, i think it'll be fabulous. True there is an Application folder right there by default, and Launchpad is just there as an alternative. Don't want to use it? Remove it from the dock and disable the gesture for it.
Personally, Launchpad has replaced the Application folder for me. I use BTT to set up a custom quick gesture to open up Launchpad wherever i am, and I can launch any app i want. Much more productive than the Application folder.
And when i'm in a rush, i just Spotlight the app.

By default Apple put iMovie on my dock. And use the app once in a blue moon. So i just removed it from my dock. No biggie.

2) Mission Control: It definitely is a step in the right direction. Maybe you can send them feedback to show minimized apps somewhere, to let you edit Desktop names, etc. I don't believe you have to go to fullscreen mode to get law and order of desktops, i believe it is a glitch. I'm sure we'll see numerous fixes later on, this is still an x.0 upgrade.

The pics Fraaaa posted is a great reason as to why i love Mission Control. I usually have so many apps open on my Mac, and i always have to look around for the right one in Expose, it becomes a huge pain and affects productivity. I said to myself before "if only there was a way to group all of them by apps" and voila, Mission Control is the answer.

3) Gestures: I can't speak much about this because i disabled most of the Apple gestures and use BTT to set up my own ones. I highly recommend the app to anyone who is having issues with gestures! Pinch to zoom in Finder made it tricky for people who were scrolling with 2 fingers, i guess that's why they removed it.

4) Full Screen mode: I don't use the dock in full screen mode. If I have to open an App, i just use Launchpad. Ahhh see where Apple is going with this? If i have to use Finder, i just use the 3 finger swipe gesture and go to the next Desktop.

5) Finder window: Agreed. How does one change this?

6) That's probably your Wi-Fi's issue.
 
I agree with you reach9. Imo, the good thing about lion is that it can be easily adapted to many different needs and habits.
I personally think they should have gone much further (no use for the dock with (a better soon, hopefully) lauchpad, and I've always thought the finder would deserve being named the hider...).
I have experienced some lost focus issues that can still be worked around by clicking the desktop and then the app icon in the dock, that's all I can complain about really (let aside the incredible amount of inconsistencies in osx's ui that lion only made more obvious)...
 
For those that want to change the Finder's default window, do this:

Open Finder, then on the menu bar at the top, click Finder, then Preferences.

Under the General tab, change the option "New Finder windows show" to whatever you like.
 
You're a paying customer and you have every right to be disappointed and voice your dissatisfaction, with no apologies.

As an Apple computer user, exclusively, for over 30 years, and always an avid supporter of the company until my satisfaction has waned the last two or three years, I am still baffled by the cronyism that manifests nowadays by these kids or whoever it is that thinks nobody is allowed to have a criticism, complaint, or to voice their concerns. These people are the true casualties of marketing.

To anyone in here down voting down everyone with an opinion that doesn't involve blind worship of a publicly traded corporation making record profits, it's time to evaluate the state of your mind. Think for yourself, not what Apple tells you.

It is of course possible that people ARE thinking for themselves, and just don't agree with you/the OP/whoever...
 
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Some people have been complaining that Apple has been changing for change's sake and that changes to Lion have seriously affected their workflow in very negative ways. I am typically in the camp of doubters who believe that Apple is capable of producing as many rotten apples as golden eggs. However, I cannot agree that Lion is an epic 'fail'.

I was dubious about the changes coming with Lion from the very beginning. Launchpad looked gimmicky and useless. Fullscreen apps, while potentially useful, seemed a nuisance to manage. I lamented the end of Rosetta and wondered what additional gestures were necessary to add further fulfillment to my life. Mission Control seemed ugly and useless and I was not even a fan of the 'satin' gray backgrounds floating all over the operating system like iOS. Lion seemed like a poor iPad frontend to a very useful operating system. When the videos of Windows 8, began to surface, I was struggling to differentiate between it and Lion. Inverted scrolling? What the hell? Why reinvent the wheel?

How wrong I was. This operating system is so much more than it let on to be and its potential is even greater. No, I'm not drinking the Apple Kool-Aid - this sentiment is real. Lion introduced a whole new way of thinking about how to use my operating system that I had been resistant to when similar features, which weren't as mature, cropped up in Snow Leopard. I never used multiple desktops in SL. Everyone here raves about Spaces, but to me, there was nothing natural about hitting control-arrow to bounce around to different screens. It was Apple's attempt to catch up with Linux, and it wasn't game-changing. To me, different spaces might as well have been different machines. It was difficult for me to embrace spaces when I could just hide apps and alt-tab when I wanted to cycle through them. Why would I want to cycle through screens? Lion changes all this. Multiple desktops feel integrated into my workflow, thanks to Mission Control. They're not separate entities hiding away somewhere out of sight and out of mind. The multitouch gestures give me quick access to screens and bring everything closer into a tighter, more fluid user experience. In a short while, we'll forget what it was like to live without these features. Do I miss the four-finger swipe to show my desktop? Sure, but I wouldnt go back to Snow Leopard to save my life.

The new 'natural' scrolling seemed everything but at first. However, I was curious why Apple was so intent on pushing it, so I gave myself the opportunity to learn it. At first, I was irritated and thought the change was absurd. Now that my brain has settled on the new motions, I see now why it is more natural. It's the same gesture I would use to push a piece of paper up a table. It's the same movement I would use in 'real' life when not on a computer. My brain accepted the change quickly, because it 'made sense'. To return to my old ways would likely present the bigger challenge.

Launchpad is far tamer than I initially feared and I came to realize, I never have to use it if I choose not to. It may as well not exist. But...the fact that it does is fantastic. I always kept a neat dock, but for those who don't, Launchpad gives them the opportunity to quickly access those programs less often used that would otherwise clutter their docks. It is a nice addition that you can freely choose to ignore. Wonderful. I've been given even more choice as to how to access my programs. As for me, I'll be keeping the Applications folder in the dock with another one full of aliases for a few vital 'productivity apps'. Great stuff.

So, that's my take on Lion. As when a foreigner first enters one's home territory, I initially both doubted and feared it. Then, as I got to know it, I realized what wonderful, subtle things it had to offer and I gave it a chance. Lion is not perfect, as no operating system is. It has a few kinks that need ironing out, but to say that it is a failure is to miss the point altogether. For many people, it will transform and enhance the way they interact with computers, which may have been what Apple was going for in the first place.
 
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I understand your points, but i still think that "if you don't like it, don't use it" is a valid answer. Unless the app is actually stopping you from being productive, it's just an added bonus.

1) LaunchPad: Agreed, and as long as the MacBook Air/iPad mutant has OS X, i think it'll be fabulous. True there is an Application folder right there by default, and Launchpad is just there as an alternative. Don't want to use it? Remove it from the dock and disable the gesture for it.

That's not my point. The Applications folder, when docked, does basically the EXACT SAME THING as Launchpad, just without looking like an iPad. Creating functionality where none was needed.

3) Gestures: I can't speak much about this because i disabled most of the Apple gestures and use BTT to set up my own ones. I highly recommend the app to anyone who is having issues with gestures! Pinch to zoom in Finder made it tricky for people who were scrolling with 2 fingers, i guess that's why they removed it.

Dude, seriously? Are you seriously not seeing how absolutely ludicrous it is that people have to develop third party apps to do basic functionality? IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. If you want to offer that stuff as options for those who want to try something new, fine, do that, but DEFAULT IT TO THE WAY IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN.

4) Full Screen mode: I don't use the dock in full screen mode. If I have to open an App, i just use Launchpad. Ahhh see where Apple is going with this? If i have to use Finder, i just use the 3 finger swipe gesture and go to the next Desktop.

You're being herded. That's what sheep do.

I use the dock because it's the best way for me to work. I can tell from the dock which apps are running, what my unread count is, what windows are open, etc; without having to go to three different places or "swipe" around. I simply move my mouse to the dock and click on what I want. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

For those that want to change the Finder's default window, do this:

Open Finder, then on the menu bar at the top, click Finder, then Preferences.

Under the General tab, change the option "New Finder windows show" to whatever you like.

Thanks for posting that for others who need to reverse the bastardization; though as I keep saying, that "All My Files" view should NOT be the default. It should be an option for those that want to change it up, but the default should be the same as Snow Leopard. And another thing - the color scheme is horrible in Finder now. Haven't found a way to get back to my color icons and smallish fonts in the sidebar. You also can't click on the sidebar to get to the options. Changes for the hell of it again.

I want my devices and shared above the laundry list of favorites...(in finder)
anyone know if there is a terminal tweak/fix.

Pathfinder has the old way, which is good-

That's another thing, didn't even notice until you mentioned it. If you do find a fix please do PM me. Changes for the hell of it again.

The new 'natural' scrolling seemed everything but at first. However, I was curious why Apple was so intent on pushing it, so I gave myself the opportunity to learn it. At first, I was irritated and thought the change was absurd. Now that my brain has settled on the new motions, I see now why it is more natural. It's the same gesture I would use to push a piece of paper up a table. It's the same movement I would use in 'real' life when not on a computer. My brain accepted the change quickly, because it 'made sense'. To return to my old ways would likely present the bigger challenge.

I'm going to give you the same analogy I gave elsewhere. Walking.

I walk DOWN the stairs to get to the BOTTOM. I walk UP the stairs to get to the top.

The basic disconnect with "natural" scrolling is that it only makes sense from a brain electrical signal perspective if you were touching the screen directly. If I were "holding the paper" as it were. But I'm not. I'm moving a cursor and navigating in disconnected fashion. In that use case, your mouse arrow is "walking" down/up the page. You're not touching it directly.

Thus why I say that if Lion were on a real tablet, it would be a lot easier to accept some of these changes, because the bulk of them only make sense if I were touching the screen. They don't make sense in a mouse and keyboard scenario, trying to upend years of tried and true computing.

As an aside, some of you may not have to deal with this, but I could only imagine the sheer horror of trying to deploy this in an enterprise.
 
Love Lion! I think Apple did a great job with 85% of what's new in the OS. Worth every penny of the $29.99 I spent to install on my 3 Macs.

Like the look, like the feel, like Mission Control, full screen apps, full drive encryption, mail improvements, etc. It's evident they spent considerable time on how to make using a computer simpler and more intuitive. Change is good, and what's not good in the change, will get changed next time around. One of the things I enjoy most about Apple.
 
Forums are about opinions and these are just mine. I can't se any added value to Lion compared to Snow Leopard which was so easy to use and am completely unconvinced by it. It appears to me that the popularity of iOS has totally railroaded Apples thinking into believing that Mac users somehow would want this approach on their macs.

Launchpad is pointless and there is so much duplication and lack of interaction with the dock. Its completely rigid in its ability to be customised and in my humble view is a complete waste of quite a nice gesture which could be used for something far more useful, even just to be able to go straight into finder.

Mission control is messy, and appears to be a gimmick than serve any real purpose.

And why are the simple things missed by Apple. Safari ok is much improved but the switching pages with two finger swipe is not flawless, when you stretch your scree to a more suitable screen size on a website it reverts to the original size when you go back / forward a page. And as for thumb and four fingers to show the desktop, it just plain ludicrous.

Switching the scrolling was just pointless and only serves as a hindrance, it doesn't benefit the user experience.

Mail is better, but not as good as sparrow. Three finger tap for the dictionary is again a waste of a gesture.

I think a lot of apple fans are convincing themselves Lion is a win, when personally i think it represents a really confused OS, particularly compared to Snow Leopard which was so simple and functional use.

Slate me all you like, but sometimes us Apple fans have to front up and say ' you got it wrong'.

Disappointed Stu:(

I am not going to argue about Launch Pad. It is something you use or don't use. But I can tell you what Apple intent was because they didn't just go "lets just put this in here for the heck of it." It was so a person wouldn't have to search around folders for applications. (Unfortunately, there people who are not tech savvy enough to use "command+space" to find an app they accidentally placed in the documents folder or something)

I never understood the "messy" of mission control. Feel pretty seamless to me.

Safari, can't comment on track pad gestures. Scrolling through pages with Magic Mouse is one finger swipe. I wish they would just do the all in one bar like google. (Good think there is plugin for that)

Scrolling is better this way. I urge people to give it a month before complaining. It is really annoying listening to all the complainers while I am using it like it was second nature. My brain works to was program one way but when Apple showed me the natural way, I knew I did it wrong all my life.

Mail is amazing but I cannot compare it to sparrow (because I never used sparrow)
 
I find it funny that all these comments about "dumbing down" the OS by hiding features - but not removing them - could have been posted in 1984 with the release of the original Mac.

It seems to be that Apple has always been about making it as easy as possible to use for new users while leaving the powerful features in there for those who need them.

You can still make Lion act like Snow Leopard. Change Dashboard to not open in its own space. Delete the Mission Control and Launchpad icons from your dock and forget about them. Unhide the Library if you REALLY need it - and not may people will.

You just have more options now. Use them or don't.
 
I find it funny that all these comments about "dumbing down" the OS by hiding features - but not removing them - could have been posted in 1984 with the release of the original Mac.

It seems to be that Apple has always been about making it as easy as possible to use for new users while leaving the powerful features in there for those who need them.

You can still make Lion act like Snow Leopard. Change Dashboard to not open in its own space. Delete the Mission Control and Launchpad icons from your dock and forget about them. Unhide the Library if you REALLY need it - and not may people will.

You just have more options now. Use them or don't.
I don't think they should of hide the Library folder but I agree
 
Well i for one don't like the direction - this iOS-obsession will come back to bite them. Im sitting here, not a heavy iPad or iOS user, wondering why my powerful functioning workhorse of a MBP, is being reduced to childlike innovation and eye candy.

I can now do a three finger swipe for M control or hit the dock button - why would you need both options! I can now hit the button for launchpad or do a thumb and 3 finger pinch - again why would you need both.

It seems as though Apple are beginning to focus on making computer toys that look trick and as the previous poster rightly said, are appealing to a non-tech generation. I don't consider myself tecchy per se, but i can see poor design and functionality when i see it.

Maybe Apple need to decide who their market is. I have to say that the pitch at WWDC was about overly-slick and is becoming tiresome. Its the sort of patter you hear from estate agents and sales people. 'Pushing content is now awesome' etc from Craig Federighi etc. No its not, everything has become less pragmatic and user defined, and more focussed on 'features'.

Sorry but i really can't hide my disappointment on this one Apple.

Going for a beer, lets hope that ring pull still opens towards me....:D

Stu

Well perhaps they have decided who their market is, and users like you aren't included in it. If you don't like Lion, don't upgrade; if you don't like Apple or Macs or OS X or whatever, switch to something else. That's what having choices is about.
Apple can't listen to, or accommodate every person's needs. They would become a jack of all trades, and master of none, with a stagnant user base. It reminds me of the fable of the Man and His Donkey.
 
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Well perhaps they have decided who their market is, and users like you aren't included in it. If you don't like Lion, don't upgrade; if you don't like Apple or Macs or OS X or whatever, switch to something else. That's what having choices is about.

Yeah, I guess they're aiming for the Fisher Price crowd. :p

In all seriousness though, I can see where they're going with Lion, trying to "bring in the iOS users" I suppose. But I have to agree with the other guy, its all very gimmicky. Launchpad is incredibly primitive, especially on such a powerful OS. I wish the Lion devs would have put more polish into some of the Lion features, as it could have definite promise. But where it stands today, it simply feels like its incomplete.
 
I don't understand the hate. I've been using Macs since system 6 and there isn't really anything I dislike. The only complaint that is really valid, IMO, is the death of Rosetta.

For MY workflow, Mission Comtol is way better than Expose/Spaces. The only things I really miss are the old Dashboard (made Calculator super useful) and the old four-finger swipe to desktop gesture.
 
After a few days of using Mission Control, it's actually better than the old Expose (Spaces is still debatable).

Mission Control > pick > App Expose is way faster than sorting through 20+ windows scattered everywhere.
 
The only things I really miss are the old Dashboard (made Calculator super useful)

You can turn the Dashboard overlay back on by going to System Preferences > Mission Control > Untick "Show Dashboard as a Space"
 
Why is it when you have your Dock on the left or the right, it doesn't show up in full screen mode at all?
Would you want the dock to appear every time your cursor went near the edge of the screen? That would be extremely annoying. But it is there. Just 'force' your cursor more to the side and the dock appears.
 
The amount of complaining going on is astonishing. There are most definitely major changes that have thrown us off-center; by us I mean those of us who have used Macs for a long time. Some aspects of Lion I found a bit confusing after first installing it. A few decisions made by Apple have me scratching my head. But after a few days Lion is starting to make sense.

There is a theme common in many of the most vociferously critical posts. People first complain about their initial confusion and immediate distaste for a new aspect(s) of 10.7, and then make a comment like "when I figure out how to disable this" or "it took me too long to change that back." Really? Every setting enabling you to revert things to "the old way" are right where they should be and have always been... in System Preferences. It took me less than five seconds to determine I hated natural scrolling and within another 5 seconds I was in the Trackpad prefpane disabling it. Any experienced Mac user would knows this, and IMO Apple has made it very easy to put things back to "the old way" for those of us who prefer it. My first stop after any new OS install is detailed romp through System Preferences.

It's taken a few days, but I have Lion set up nicely for me. Some new features I'm embracing. Others I've put on the back burner and will perhaps integrate them later as they evolve. Others I've flat out disabled.

All the complainers and whiners need to take a deep breath and relax. It's just a computer.
 
Would you want the dock to appear every time your cursor went near the edge of the screen? That would be extremely annoying. But it is there. Just 'force' your cursor more to the side and the dock appears.

Are you kidding me?

The whole point of an auto hide dock is so that it shows when I want it to show, regardless of what's going on mid-screen. It DOES NOT show in full screen mode on Lion. Doesn't matter how much slamming into the left wall I do. It does show if it's on the bottom, assuming you slam into the bottom a couple of times. I shouldn't have to do any of that though. It should just work.

The Dock is the most useful utility on Mac OS. People are fawning over these iOS features because they're "new". They're NOT better.

  • Dock shows you what apps are running and which ones are not.
  • Dock shows you unread count on Mail.
  • Dock requires no keypress to get it to show up.
  • Applications folder when docked does the same F'n thing as Launchpad tries to do, just without the iPad look.

When I use a COMPUTER, I expect my mouse to drive 99% of what I'm doing. I'm talking moving the mouse. I don't want to swipe, I don't want to rotate, I don't want to press keys. I want to move the mouse to what I want, and click it to make it work.

If there ever comes a day that I want a simpler experience than that, I'll buy an iPad, because that's what it's designed to do. But I don't want that oversimplification to be on my computer, especially not with the horsepower of today's Apples. FIX ISSUES IN MAC OS before you try to add "cool". I mean for pluck's sake, we still can't press the green orb and make a window maximize correctly.
 
Are you kidding me?

The whole point of an auto hide dock is so that it shows when I want it to show, regardless of what's going on mid-screen.
Well, we can just disagree on that. I agree an option to make the dock act like you want would be a good idea, but I prefer it the way it is.

It DOES NOT show in full screen mode on Lion. Doesn't matter how much slamming into the left wall I do.
YES, IT DOES. There must be something up your end. Here are my dock settings.

Unless it's because you're still using a mouse.
 

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The Dock is the most useful utility on Mac OS.

There are quite a few features that are more useful. Spotlight and Time Machine come to mind without much thought.

  • Dock shows you what apps are running and which ones are not.

I have the little light that indicates which apps are running turned off. I know what apps are running - I launched them. Why do I need a little light? Mission Control shows you what is running too, plus you can switch apps in it as well.

  • Dock shows you unread count on Mail.

Command-tab to it. Just like you used to do.

  • Dock requires no keypress to get it to show up.

OK, you have a point there.

  • Applications folder when docked does the same F'n thing as Launchpad tries to do, just without the iPad look.

Don't use Launchpad then. It doesn't do what you want it to do. No biggie. Customize your OS to your needs.

When I use a COMPUTER, I expect my mouse to drive 99% of what I'm doing. I'm talking moving the mouse. I don't want to swipe, I don't want to rotate, I don't want to press keys. I want to move the mouse to what I want, and click it to make it work.

You do not need to do any of those. Use the system the way you always were before. Sounds like you are just looking for a reason to complain. Sounds like full screen apps are not what you want then. Don't use full screen.

Is Lion perfect? No. I am still struggling with some of the new features, but I see their worth so it is worth the slight learning curve - to me. I know Lion can't be all things to all people, but change isn't necessarily bad, especially if you are not being forced to use it the new way.
 
When I use a COMPUTER, I expect my mouse to drive 99% of what I'm doing. I'm talking moving the mouse. I don't want to swipe, I don't want to rotate, I don't want to press keys. I want to move the mouse to what I want, and click it to make it work.

Seriously bro? Why did you upgrade then? People that constantly whinge like that without searching for solutions aren't customers that Apple look for. Go back to Snow Leopard, or switch to Windows 7. For "plucks" sake.

FIX ISSUES IN MAC OS before you try to add "cool". I mean for pluck's sake, we still can't press the green orb and make a window maximize correctly.

LOL you have to be kidding me right.
 
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