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Clearly you guys haven't been keeping an ear to gaming news. Apparently games consoles are food so we should be buying at least 2 consoles a day. And no snacking with handhelds before dinner.
So it shouldn't matter if 1/3 of them xbox's you bought break. Just make it your next dinner.
 
Your friend wasn't open to the possibility that something he buys could possibly break ????

This isnt what i said at all. You do know how to comprehend something you read, right? He bought a 360 assuming that, like every other console, it wouldnt have a 1/3 chance of taking a **** on him. Of course things break. My ps3 and wii have a chance of breaking, but its not the outrageous 30% chance like 360's have. I dont understand how people can actually defend a company that knowingly ships out defective hardware. Perhaps it is too much to expect a product to work any more...
 
This isnt what i said at all. You do know how to comprehend something you read, right? He bought a 360 assuming that, like every other console, it wouldnt have a 1/3 chance of taking a **** on him. Of course things break. My ps3 and wii have a chance of breaking, but its not the outrageous 30% chance like 360's have. I dont understand how people can actually defend a company that knowingly ships out defective hardware. Perhaps it is too much to expect a product to work any more...

Only 30%?

Of all my friends/family who have a 360 (about a dozen, so a small sample size admittedly), EVERY one has failed. Mine has failed twice. Credit to MS, they've fixed it both times free, but it's annoying.

Even more so because the last console they sent back sounds like a gale blowing through a megaphone.
 
Xbox 360 is a better gaming system hands down. I don't think anyone could possibly argue any other way. It's much more developer friendly, and as a result games look and run much better on Xbox 360.

It also benefits from having games which ship on DVD rather than Blu Ray, because the Blu Ray drives in PS3 have a very slow read speed.

The main reason I prefer my Xbox over my PS3 for gaming though has to be the controller. Sony's controller is a decade old and it really shows. The two sticks are horrible for playing shooting games and the triggers are poorly designed. The left stick is also in the wrong place on the PS3 pad.

I feel so much more comfortable playing games on my Xbox and I haven't even mentioned Live yet.

But then, Xbox 360 isn't a great media machine. It can't copy your videos to the hard drive for example, so it loses out on that one easily. No Blu Ray playback either.

The main thing I now use my PS3 for is recording TV. I have the Sony PlayTV add on and I love how I can just record any TV show I want with it. It works really well and the interface is very responsive.
 
This isnt what i said at all. You do know how to comprehend something you read, right? He bought a 360 assuming that, like every other console, it wouldnt have a 1/3 chance of taking a **** on him. Of course things break. My ps3 and wii have a chance of breaking, but its not the outrageous 30% chance like 360's have. I dont understand how people can actually defend a company that knowingly ships out defective hardware. Perhaps it is too much to expect a product to work any more...

They ship out faulty hardware and they're trying to fix it. How much do you think it costs them to replace these systems? The sheer haulage costs, cracking them open and putting new chips in? The user doesn't pay a penny for this. I'd think one of the richest companies on earth would flip a magic fix switch if they could but they're seemingly doing the best they can short of a whole redesign of the system.
 
Forget the 360, its made by Microsoft and its awful. PS3 is the best! I don't have one but I have never heard anyone complaining about them like people are when they send in their 360's for disk drive repair.
 
They ship out faulty hardware and they're trying to fix it. How much do you think it costs them to replace these systems? The sheer haulage costs, cracking them open and putting new chips in? The user doesn't pay a penny for this. I'd think one of the richest companies on earth would flip a magic fix switch if they could but they're seemingly doing the best they can short of a whole redesign of the system.

I think the problem people have is the suspicion that MS realised the problem and could have recalled unsold units from stores but decided instead it made more sense to let people buy them and repair them when they failed.
 
Xbox 360 is a better gaming system hands down. I don't think anyone could possibly argue any other way. It's much more developer friendly, and as a result games look and run much better on Xbox 360.
i can argue the other way, and i will :D
The 360 is developer friendly, nobody will say different, but we need to look at it this way then. The 360 has easier hardware to code for, and has been around for a full year longer than the ps3, yet at the same time we have games like Killzone 2 that have the best sound i have ever heard in a game, amazing AI, incredible visuals, and actual volumetric effects (ill explain that in a min if you dont know what it means).
Multi-plat games often run better on the 360 because the devs are lazy. The 360 has 3 ppc cores in its cpu, the ps3 has 1 ppc core and 6 usable SPE's. What happens is that a game is made on the 360 because its easier, then ported to the ps3. The dev's, being too lazy to learn anything, try to cram all the instructions into the single ppc core and dont even bother with the spe's. When used properly, as seen in KZ2, Uncharted 2 (demos thus far, but still impressive), and GoW3 (ill post a vid), the results will blow the pants off of you and anyone standing by.

Now, Volumetric Effects. When something blows up it leaves smoke behind. It has been common practice in console games to have this smoke pre-rendered, meaning it just playes a little grenade exploding movie. KZ2 however actually renders the smoke as actual smoke. You can tell because the smoke disperses according to the environment around it. In the opening scene there is a bridge that gets destroyed and leaves quite a bit of dust behind. While the dust settles a ship flies through it and actually pushed the smoke out of the way and twists it with the turbines and whatnot. These effects are common on pc games, but KZ2 is the first console game to pull it off.

GoW 3: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/45513.html
Be aware that this is rendered on the ps3 in real-time, meaning that actual gameplay will look exactly like this, or better seeing as they have until next march to polish it up.
Link for proof:
http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/god-war-iii-trailer-confirmed-be-real-time-$1269022.htm

It also benefits from having games which ship on DVD rather than Blu Ray, because the Blu Ray drives in PS3 have a very slow read speed.
This is just incorrect, fanboy propagated FUD.
Read:
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/profile/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=23916169&user=skektek

Alot of times the game loads slower because developers can keep the audio and video decompressed thanks to blu-ray. So you can either have faster loading with crappy audio, or slowing loading with better audio.

The main reason I prefer my Xbox over my PS3 for gaming though has to be the controller. Sony's controller is a decade old and it really shows. The two sticks are horrible for playing shooting games and the triggers are poorly designed. The left stick is also in the wrong place on the PS3 pad.
The sticks are better for shooters, imo. They are parallel instead of foring me to hold the controller differently with both hands which gets uncomfortable. The ps3's d-pad doesnt suck, so it gets points for that. I dont understand the fuss about the triggers. People say their fingers slip off, but i have never had that happen, even during Motorstorm sessions lasting hours.

I feel so much more comfortable playing games on my Xbox and I haven't even mentioned Live yet.
The first part is a preference, so that actually cant be argued. Live has very few features PSN doesnt and PSN wont run you $50 a year. That means i have an extra $50 in my pocket to get a game every year.

But then, Xbox 360 isn't a great media machine. It can't copy your videos to the hard drive for example, so it loses out on that one easily. No Blu Ray playback either.
It evens out though. Ps3's cost more and thus have more features. Too bad MS bet on the wrong horse with hd-dvd.

The main thing I now use my PS3 for is recording TV. I have the Sony PlayTV add on and I love how I can just record any TV show I want with it. It works really well and the interface is very responsive.
PlayTV looks interesting, but i would rather just build a linux box running MCE.

They ship out faulty hardware and they're trying to fix it. How much do you think it costs them to replace these systems? The sheer haulage costs, cracking them open and putting new chips in? The user doesn't pay a penny for this. I'd think one of the richest companies on earth would flip a magic fix switch if they could but they're seemingly doing the best they can short of a whole redesign of the system.
I know they fix it for free, but that doesnt make up for sending out **** to begin with. They sent their box out a year too early (apparently waiting for someone to engineer a heat sink wansnt a priority) just so they could lock in a large amount of the market. It worked for them, but i have a hard time forgiving a company that knowingly sold broken hardware. It is just a disgrace to companies that try hard to make something of quality.
 
Your friend wasn't open to the possibility that something he buys could possibly break ????



Yet it's been 3 years and still nothing ? mmmm

Regardless of the 360 'failure rate' any item you buy can break.

I didn't expect my PowerMac G5 to go belly up just one month after it's 3 year applecare expired either, even though it was a REV A machine and many other people had problems and still do with mac REV A hardware. It's just life, these things happen.

You can't go living your life worried about what 'might' happen, otherwise your not really 'living' in the first place.

When my G5 died at 3 and half years, I was completely caught off guard. It was the last thing I had expected. My G4 DP 1.25 is still working wonderfully and it's on its 7th year. Even my TI-Books lasted 5 years. Bleh...

At least when it comes to the 360 you've been lucky. :)
 
Multi-plat games often run better on the 360 because the devs are lazy. The dev's, being too lazy to learn anything
New rule: you're not allowed to call out FUD and then spread your own.

Devs are not lazy. They're working to tight schedules and just as the world saw last gen; games are built for the most 'popular' (if you will) console since they expect to get more sales for them. Last gen it was the PS2, this gen it's the 360.

I'm a dev and I work morning noon and night with only Sunday as my day off. What do you do? Do you finish work at 5, 6pm? I'm up coding, drawing and composing from 9am to 3am. (though I'm probably on the extreme end of the scale :p)

When used properly, as seen in KZ2, Uncharted 2 (demos thus far, but still impressive), and GoW3 (ill post a vid), the results will blow the pants off of you and anyone standing by.

See maybe I've played too many PC games or maybe it's just that I've been around the gaming block a few times but little videos don't do it for me. A cutscene where a bridge blows up doesn't impress me into buying a game. I'd rather get involved with deep gameplay mechanics and the mythos of the story than sit slackjawed looking at purdy effects.

And seeing the ratings and sales of games like the Half Life series, Brawl, Bioshock it doesn't seem to be just me either.
 
New rule: you're not allowed to call out FUD and then spread your own.

Devs are not lazy. They're working to tight schedules and just as the world saw last gen; games are built for the most 'popular' (if you will) console since they expect to get more sales for them. Last gen it was the PS2, this gen it's the 360.

I'm a dev and I work morning noon and night with only Sunday as my day off. What do you do? Do you finish work at 5, 6pm? I'm up coding, drawing and composing from 9am to 3am. (though I'm probably on the extreme end of the scale :p)
A *good* developer will make sure the game plays to its potential on both consoles. R* did this, Square is doing it with FF13, Valve is too lazy to learn how to code for the ps3.

See maybe I've played too many PC games or maybe it's just that I've been around the gaming block a few times but little videos don't do it for me. A cutscene where a bridge blows up doesn't impress me into buying a game. I'd rather get involved with deep gameplay mechanics and the mythos of the story than sit slackjawed looking at purdy effects.

And seeing the ratings and sales of games like the Half Life series, Brawl, Bioshock it doesn't seem to be just me either.
I am assuming you are referring to the GoW3 vid i posted, right? I didnt claim that the video had anything to do with gameplay, but it shows that the ps3 is capable of some awesome stuff if you spend some time with it. I too enjoy gameplay over fancy visuals, but with games like GoW3 we get both. In fact i am playing FF7 now, which is ugly by all means, but still the best rpg ever, imo.

All i know is that i am looking forward to inFamous, Uncharted 2, R&C:F 2, GoW3, and GT5 on my ps3 in the near future. There are no 360 games on the horizon that i want. Ninja Gaiden 2 and Fable 2 are the only games i would buy for a 360, and Fable 2 seems like a let down from what i hear.
 
A *good* developer will make sure the game plays to its potential on both consoles. R* did this, Square is doing it with FF13, Valve is too lazy to learn how to code for the ps3.
Mentioning R* was a bad call, since GTAIV looks and plays better on the 360. Plus, it's actually in high definition. Plus, they're releasing (and have released) massive content which isn't available on the PS3.


Fable 2 seems like a let down from what i hear.
Fable II is incredible.

Sorry, but no one should listen to you since you don't have both consoles. Your opinion is officially invalid.

I can't wait until GoW3, just like every gamer. But, it's a year from release.

Also, MS hasn't shown their release schedule yet. Just like last year. Just like the year before. We didn't even know about Gears 2 at this point last year.
 
I have every current-gen console (PS3, 360, Wii, PSP and DS). I've had them all since launch, and own all previous gen consoles.

Last gen, from about the middle of the generation, it went PS2, GC, Xbox. Ever since Live came out for Xbox, and PS2's online was just a wreck, thigns changed up for me, and went GC, Xbox, PS2.
Now I'm saying that to prove that I'm not a fanboy of any one console.


So far, this whole gen, it has been 360, Wii, PS3 for me. Four biggest advantages to the 360 over PS3 are (to me):

Xbox Live. so much better implemented than PSO, more people and, not got anything to do with Sony's console, I have a lot of friends on Live. Plus... Halo 3.

Controller. The PS3's controller is terrible, we've been using the same thing since 98, the design is old and flawed. Put the joystick where the Dpad is, give the thing some weight and make it larger!

Achievements. Yes there are now trophy's on the PS3, way to late to the game though.

Multiplatform games. Majority of the time, games are developed for the 360 then later ported to the PS3, resulting in a slightly, sometimes drastically, better game on the 360.


The PS3 has a lot of promise coming over the horizon though, and a lot of great games have recently been released for it. The BluRay advantage is huge, and it can really show on games like Metal Gear, and unfortunate that some games have been shrunk so they could fit on the 360 aswell.

The Wii is just going down hill, I cant think of any games coming soon for it, but its just such a fun party console!
 
A *good* developer will make sure the game plays to its potential on both consoles. R* did this, Square is doing it with FF13, Valve is too lazy to learn how to code for the ps3.

And there you are again! Valve are possibly the hardest working studio out there. All their games based on the source engine still get updates years after launch. They're providing new weapons that take months worths of planning, programming and balancing. They're getting the voice actors back in to record lines. New maps, new modes that are all stringently tested. All. For. Free.
And next month we're getting 2 Versus campaigns and a new game mode for L4D. For. Free. Along with monthly bug fixes and tweaks.
That's lazy? :rolleyes:

And they're a PC developer. Just like Blizzard and id. The 360's apple didn't fall far from PC development so a quick dirty port is quite easy. The PS3s architecture is much different. If you want to shout at anyone go to Sony for making something different to the norm, not developers whose market is something completely different.
 
i think the 360 is a lot cooler than the PS3

however,

i prefer the PS3 not destroying itself within a timeframe of less than a year
 
And there you are again! Valve are possibly the hardest working studio out there. All their games based on the source engine still get updates years after launch. They're providing new weapons that take months worths of planning, programming and balancing. They're getting the voice actors back in to record lines. New maps, new modes that are all stringently tested. All. For. Free.
And next month we're getting 2 Versus campaigns and a new game mode for L4D. For. Free. Along with monthly bug fixes and tweaks.
That's lazy? :rolleyes:

And they're a PC developer. Just like Blizzard and id. The 360's apple didn't fall far from PC development so a quick dirty port is quite easy. The PS3s architecture is much different. If you want to shout at anyone go to Sony for making something different to the norm, not developers whose market is something completely different.
That just means they're the most incredibly lazy developers ever, Jimmi, and if you dare question the might of the Sony Empire or any of it's supporters you're automatically stupid and incapable of understanding how awesome the PS3 is and how superior it is to all consoles ever, even future ones that will have better hardware and games. ;) :rolleyes: :D
 
Mentioning R* was a bad call, since GTAIV looks and plays better on the 360. Plus, it's actually in high definition. Plus, they're releasing (and have released) massive content which isn't available on the PS3.
The dlc is available for the 360 because MS paid them 50 million dollars to secure it. The Lost and the Damned is going to the ps3 eventually, and sony isnt paying a dime for it.
GTA4 doesnt look better on either console. It looks different, yes, but it looks equal. The ps3 has better AA (which i'd take over higher resolution any day) and better light while the 360 has richer colors and a higher resolution.
Fable II is incredible.
I heard from many of my friends that it is good, but not near as great as they thought it would be. I suppose its a preference thing, but i know a lot of people that thought the game didnt live up to its expectations.
Sorry, but no one should listen to you since you don't have both consoles. Your opinion is officially invalid.
Thats a stupid thing to say. Am i not allowed to have an opinion on cars because i havent owned every one of them? I dont need to own a 360 to know that the ps3 is the better console. Just look at this year and next, the ps3 has a ton more awesome games.

Also, MS hasn't shown their release schedule yet. Just like last year. Just like the year before. We didn't even know about Gears 2 at this point last year.
Alot of ps3 games havent been announced yet either. Insomniac has yet to announce the new Ratchet and Clank (they always do that at E3), and they also said they have a new ps3 project they are going to announce. Either way, looking at the schedule now, the ps3 looks stronger. I am not going to buy a console with hopes that it will keep getting good games.


And there you are again! Valve are possibly the hardest working studio out there. All their games based on the source engine still get updates years after launch. They're providing new weapons that take months worths of planning, programming and balancing. They're getting the voice actors back in to record lines. New maps, new modes that are all stringently tested. All. For. Free.
And next month we're getting 2 Versus campaigns and a new game mode for L4D. For. Free. Along with monthly bug fixes and tweaks.
That's lazy? :rolleyes:
Valave releases a game every few years, and the last few were just short HL2 episodes. They were great, and i loved them, but they certainly dont hurry to get anything done. All engines are getting updates after launch. The Unreal engine gets updates all the time. Insomniac updates their engine (idk what they call it) every year when they release a game. Naughtdog obviously made some updates between Drakes Fortune and Among Thieves. Valve is too lazy to learn a new cpu, thats why they let EA port The Orange Box. The 360 is incredibly easy to code for, so of course they did their own porting there. Valve can easily fix bugs because they spend years meandering about making a new 2 hour half-life or a mindless zombie game. Look at L4D and tell me with a straight face that they put a lot of effort into it. It is simple maps + tons of zombies. End game.

And they're a PC developer. Just like Blizzard and id. The 360's apple didn't fall far from PC development so a quick dirty port is quite easy. The PS3s architecture is much different. If you want to shout at anyone go to Sony for making something different to the norm, not developers whose market is something completely different.
The 360 is really easy to code for, which means that most of the power is being used already because devs can get to it easily. The ps3, however, takes a bit more work and dev's are still making games that look the same or better. 3 years from now the 360 games will look slightly better and ps3 games will look much better. Geurilla said somewhere that they are using about 60% of the ps3's potential power, by their estimations, which are probably pretty accurate seeing as they spend a ton of time making KZ2.
 
Valave releases a game every few years, and the last few were just short HL2 episodes. They were great, and i loved them, but they certainly dont hurry to get anything done. All engines are getting updates after launch. The Unreal engine gets updates all the time. Insomniac updates their engine (idk what they call it) every year when they release a game. Naughtdog obviously made some updates between Drakes Fortune and Among Thieves. Valve is too lazy to learn a new cpu, thats why they let EA port The Orange Box. The 360 is incredibly easy to code for, so of course they did their own porting there. Valve can easily fix bugs because they spend years meandering about making a new 2 hour half-life or a mindless zombie game. Look at L4D and tell me with a straight face that they put a lot of effort into it. It is simple maps + tons of zombies. End game.
Gawd almighty! you really don't get this do you!

Valve. Are. PC. Developers.
They. Make. PC. Games.

They don't give a rats arse about the Cell processor or controllers or paid DLC which is why they don't do it. They make PC games as they did back in 1998. Sometimes their games get ported, most of the time (if its a different architecture to what they use) they outsource it.

Oh and look into L4D. Look into the Director. A system that dynamically evaluates the current environment, player status and performance and forms how the game is going to play out (dependant on difficulty, of course). It's brilliant and so well balanced. That's the core of the game. Something that likely took thousands of testing hours to perfect.
And no they don't just make a new HL game every couple of years-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_developed_by_Valve.

It was funny at first but you really don't know what you're talking about.


The 360 is really easy to code for, which means that most of the power is being used already because devs can get to it easily. The ps3, however, takes a bit more work and dev's are still making games that look the same or better. 3 years from now the 360 games will look slightly better and ps3 games will look much better. Geurilla said somewhere that they are using about 60% of the ps3's potential power, by their estimations, which are probably pretty accurate seeing as they spend a ton of time making KZ2.

Geurilla, parent company Sony. Sorry, but I don't believe the hype by anyone who is a second or first dev to a manufacturer. And besides doesn't the 360 have a better graphics chip than the PS3?
 
You can see what they'll be doing now. Just look at what the Ati 4870x2 can do but lower the resolution to 720 or 1080p (though I'm hoping next gen is locked at 1080, plix).
 
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