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If apple were to quadruple the pixels again on a new iphone it would be 1920 x 1280. Even with a 4.7 inch display, that comes out to 490 PPI. This just seems unreasonably large and unnecessary. If apple were to increase the screen size they would have to do some fractional increase to keep the same display parameters. Unless they let everyone know in advance they are doing this there is no way developers would be able to quickly make such significant changes to their apps. Either apple is keeping the same resolution, or they are going to tell developers about a new resolution in june, to give them 3-4 months to make all the changes they will need to.
 
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I believe the people who upgraded to the 4S aren't to keen on paying full price for the new iPhone. From looking at this thread, they seem to be in a frenzy justifying the new iPhone won't be much better or suits their tastes but in reality, they felt like they've been had with the Siri hype and should have waited for the real upgrade. :p
 
The screen will NOT be larger. They're simply not going to make such a risky, resolution-sensitive move to the design (especially this soon after Steve's passing).
 
I hate when people say "It's a phone"! :rolleyes: It's not a phone - it's a portable media device that you can make calls with. I use it as a phone about 1% of the time, if that. If you are using it primaily as a phone, then you should get something cheaper. Larger screen certainly can increase productivity (um, worksheets, etc) but mostly will increase enjoyment from having a larger viewing area for videos and games and the like.

Tony

My comment was about how ridiculous it is to refer to "power users" when talking about a smartphone. Going from 3.5 to 4 or even 4.5 does not really make the device do that much more (um, are you going to actually do spreadsheet work on a smartphone?). Everyone says it's a good idea but no one actually uses their phone for that.
 
I'd like to quote Steve Jobs:

"And so today... today... we are introducing... iPhone 4. The fourth generation iPhone."

It might be just me, but he kinda said that the iPhone 4 was the fourth generation iPhone.

I stand corrected, he did mumble that at the keynote. Although they never called it that in their press releases or even their advertising that I saw.

Have they ever called their iPhone 4s their 5th generation?

Sorry I just take offense to people applying their own logic saying there is no way they would not call the next iPhone the iPhone 5. They named their 2nd iPhone the 3g, their 5th iPhone the 4s. So insisting they wouldn't name their 6th the 5 is silly. And me arguing about it is silly too!

We should all face it - Apple hasn't been logical for naming their products!
 
Can't be right. Last night I dreamed it had a screen on the back. You flipped it over and the main screen shut off and the back one turned on. The layout was different and that was the point. You set it up to be different. It also saved battery due to it being different. Oh well was just a dream. Haha
 
Note that the iPhone screen can be as big as 4.3" and still have a ppi of 268 which is higher than the "resolutionary" new pad. I think 4.3" is where it'll wind up. Going only to 4" is too small of an increment and most of the rest of the high end market is at least 4.3" in size, especially by October.

Tony
 
My comment was about how ridiculous it is to refer to "power users" when talking about a smartphone. Going from 3.5 to 4 or even 4.5 does not really make the device do that much more (um, are you going to actually do spreadsheet work on a smartphone?). Everyone says it's a good idea but no one actually uses their phone for that.

I'd say that the most common "power user" profile for a phone would be a thirteen-year old female.
 
I would love to see Tim Cook pull the old "one more thing" trick at WWDC and bring out the new iPhone. I think it would be funny and grab lots of attention if no one was expecting a new iPhone announcement and Apple surprises everyone. :)

Do I think it will happen? No, but I would enjoy it if it did. :D
 
Aren’t all the antennas for the 4/4S external? I don’t think the glass back has anything to do with reception considerations[?]


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At any rate, I don’t think Apple will use the same resolution on a larger display. The marketing message will just be too muddy, bigger physical display size needs to be “bigger” (higher) resolution.

The problem is, repurposing something like 1024x768 is the wrong aspect ratio (unless they change that too) and it would likely still necessitate redesign of the UI (since packing down layout and UI resources into 4” would be crowded).

Maybe there’s a common resolution they could use to keep the retina PPI on a ~4” phone product, that would also scale up to a nice tablet size in the ~7” range (and be more of mid-range product).

How about 1920x1280[?] That’s @4X the original iPhone resolution (and 1.5 A/R, plus easy resource scaling), would be outstanding at 4-4.5”, could be handled by the A5X (at less power consumption vs. the new iPad), and in a “phablet” at 7”, still have outstanding PPI.

Maybe. I thought during the antennae gate press release they discussed how the magic waves passed through the glass and actually struck the inside of the antennae(s) as well. Not sure if I imagined that though.

I don't think it would be too complex for Apple to gloss over a slight drop in ppi if they jumped to 3.8" or so. They would just not mention the new ppi, highlight the congruence with current app design, and say "all that while maintaining an enhanced retina quality screen". Oh yeah, then use the force. This would also help negate the need for more battery as in the doubling of pip on the latest iPad.
 
I've never, ever had a dropped call using my Verizon iPhone 4. You must either live out in the middle of nowhere, in the mountains, among big buildings, or in a tunnel.

I'm glad you had a good experience with yours. No I live in a city of 450,000 people with great cell phone coverage and if I don't hold the phone with two fingers it drops calls. And that's my third one.
 
My comment was about how ridiculous it is to refer to "power users" when talking about a smartphone. Going from 3.5 to 4 or even 4.5 does not really make the device do that much more (um, are you going to actually do spreadsheet work on a smartphone?). Everyone says it's a good idea but no one actually uses their phone for that.

I use Pages and Numbers on my iPhone 4S. But the docs, mostly but not always, originate on my Mac and I just tweak them on my iPhone. The main impediment at this point is how clumsy it is to sync documents back to the Mac. If it were seamless, like it is among iOS devices, it would make it far more usable. Feature parity would be great too.
 
Im happy with the size of the screen now, why do our tablets need to be phone and our phones need to be tablets!?
 
i still think that the "new iPhone" is what was supposed to come out last year but they had issues with it and released a iPhone 4S with the "amazing" new Siri BETA instead
 
These "rumors" are so confusing...
I dont see apple changing the "basic" bezel design anytime soon, when they introduced it they went insane about how revolutionary this new antenna design was blah blah blah, if so why change it so fast? (Im not saying they wont change the whole design, im sure they will since they change it every 2 releases, but the basic "metal around the edge" I think will remain in one way or another and so will the back crystal plate.
As for the screen size... The current iphone has the perfect size at the moment. I can put it in my pocket and not feel it pushing against my leg. If you increase the size by decreasing the bezel edges (e.g. very very thin edges) then I am up for it otherwise I'd hate the phone getting bigger. THere are plenty of elephant phones out there why ruin the only great "small" phone? Not to mention of the obvious problem with marketing if they increase the size by keeping the same resolution (bye bye "retina" sticker) or the increased strain in developers if they do actually change the resolution....
As for LTE I doubt they can slim the device while adding LTE. Im sure they will add LTE next version but as far as making the device slimmer?.... They actually made the ipad bigger in part because of the LTE antenna, which is capable of draining abou ~10% of the huge ipad battery.

The LTE chip in the new iPhone will be on a new process node (28 nm I think) and should be smaller so the iPhone will probably not be bulkier. The transition to the new process node is also the reason people don't expect that rumored Summer launch to be true. From what I've read, it won't be mature enough to see in products until the Fall, so probably an October launch again.
 
People who doesn't like the new iPhone 5 design just reminds me back to the days where people think the same to the iPhone 4 but end up using it anyway...

just what i personally think
 
Note that the iPhone screen can be as big as 4.3" and still have a ppi of 268 which is higher than the "resolutionary" new pad. I think 4.3" is where it'll wind up. Going only to 4" is too small of an increment and most of the rest of the high end market is at least 4.3" in size, especially by October.

Tony

As was explained at the new iPad launch, an iPad is held further away, so doesn't need such a high resolution to be defined as Retina. At the iPhone 4 launch they said around 300 ppi for a phone to be Retina.
 
I'd enjoy a larger screen (though not as large as those ridiculous "phablets"--a tiny Korean woman in my building couldn't even get her hand around the one she owns and dropped it in our elevator) and sleeker form factor.

I think, just to compete in the eyes of consumers, it's essential for Apple to make the screen larger and reduce the size of the bezel. Competing manufacturers excel at maximizing the screen space on the face of their smartphones. Dare I say that it makes the iPhone look outmoded, even if iOS's end UX is significantly better? Resolution issues be damned--Apple's engineers have to find a way to do it that doesn't infuriate app developers. It needs to be done.

Holding the "retina" PPI stable across a new refresh should also be a priority, if only to save face with how heavily they've been using the term for marketing current products.

There is something alluring about the predominantly glass 4/4S, but I would prefer a phone with the tapering design sensibility of the iPod touch, new iPad, and 1st gen Macbook Air. Tapering really lends itself to being slipped into a pocket and creates the illusion that a device is thinner than it really is.
 
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