the idiocracy of the iPhone 8 bezel cutout design in all those dummies and mockups

[Ralfi]

LOL...I highly doubt they don't know what the design will be now. And I'm sure as hell they don't care about posts here.

I think what was meant was that Apple are looking to sell the "7s & 7s+" models first, thinking the X/Edition may take their sales away. Then bring the X/Edition in a month later.

Not that I agree - only loco buyers will change their mind from the X/Edition to the bezelled models just because of a 4-6 week delay.

 

[Gathomblipoob]

You know, if they delay the release of the phone because they wanted to get rid of all the bezels after maybe seeing some of the macrumors posts... that actually might be worth waiting for!

Yes, because such a great percentage of Apple's R&D budget is allocated to checking nerds' forum posts.

 

[9594864]

See, when Apple's own design suggestions submit their intentions on hiding bezel, I find it unfathomably unlikely that Apple has chosen to do either of the following:

1. Not disguise the notch with black status backgrounds.
2. Include a white front for the iPhone X.

I have faith in Apple making the correct choices, which are not how this concept suggests.

 

[mib1800]

The status bar is specifically the status bar because it is NOT supposed to be hidden 98% of the time. It's sole purpose is to give instantaneous information whenever a user glances at it. The notch is brilliant design for it specifically so that it takes a portion of the display that would NEVER be used for main display area, as there would be a dip in content.
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Can you believe people?

But can it display (dynamic) notification icons on the status bar like android? Don't think so. Displaying static info (like signal wifi etc) is just nothing to shout about. And you permanently lose 0.5in of screen for that is just not clever design.

 

[9594864]

But can it display (dynamic) notification icons on the status bar like android? Don't think so. Displaying static info (like signal wifi etc) is just nothing to shout about. And you permanently lose 0.5in of screen for that is just not clever design.

What are you talking about? Lmao. You don't lose any screen, you gain screen absolutely always, specifically due to the cutout...it's so simple to understand..

 

[mib1800]

What are you talking about? Lmao. You don't lose any screen, you gain screen absolutely always, specifically due to the cutout...it's so simple to understand..

No. because when apple sells you the phone it included the cut-off as part of the screen measurement.

For normal screen you get actual 5.8in in full-screen mode. But iphone 5.8in you only get 5.3in in full screen mode.

 

[Ralfi]

No. because when apple sells you the phone it included the cut-off as part of the screen measurement.

For normal screen you get actual 5.8in in full-screen mode. But iphone 5.8in you only get 5.3in in full screen mode.

I guess it depends where you're coming from; In my world, anything larger than 4.7" is an increase in screen size.

 

[cocotutch]

I remember being on this forum (or iFans) around the time the iPhone 5 came out. There were hundreds of threads decrying that Apple wouldn’t keep the same aspect ratio as the iPhone 4S, and just make it longer. It didn’t make sense, people said. Apple wouldn’t do it, people said.

Apple did it.

I reckon we’re embracing the notch.

 

[Loge]

No. because when apple sells you the phone it included the cut-off as part of the screen measurement.

For normal screen you get actual 5.8in in full-screen mode. But iphone 5.8in you only get 5.3in in full screen mode.

Indeed, it is like the real estate agent who measures the length of a room into the alcove.

 

[9594864]

No. because when apple sells you the phone it included the cut-off as part of the screen measurement.

For normal screen you get actual 5.8in in full-screen mode. But iphone 5.8in you only get 5.3in in full screen mode.

Ohh I see what you're saying, and that's a fair assessment which would've been understood had you stated it from the beginning. However, Apple hasn't announced a phone, so you have no idea if they'll say 5.8", but they likely will. It's kind of crazy that you believe the corners add 0.5" of screen though... there's no way they add anywhere near that much.

If you're talking full-screen video though, the display will be something around 5.2" because the top and bottom will be turned off because unlike Samsung, Apple isn't stupid enough to show video content in rounded corners.

 

[mib1800]

Ohh I see what you're saying, and that's a fair assessment which would've been understood had you stated it from the beginning. However, Apple hasn't announced a phone, so you have no idea if they'll say 5.8", but they likely will. It's kind of crazy that you believe the corners add 0.5" of screen though... there's no way they add anywhere near that much.

If you're talking full-screen video though, the display will be something around 5.2" because the top and bottom will be turned off because unlike Samsung, Apple isn't stupid enough to show video content in rounded corners.

When measured diagonally it is close to 0.5in.

That's a lot of screen area lost for wide screen video watching and using apps that run full screen like games.

 

[deuxani]

See, when Apple's own design suggestions submit their intentions on hiding bezel, I find it unfathomably unlikely that Apple has chosen to do either of the following:

1. Not disguise the notch with black status backgrounds.
2. Include a white front for the iPhone X.

I have faith in Apple making the correct choices, which are not how this concept suggests.

But it's a very different product with a very different interface. On the Apple Watch the bezels are pretty big, so hiding them by blending them with the screen would be the smart thing to do. Also, the Watch isn't about content consumption and more for showing bits of information, so it's easier to implement a completely black interface on such a small screen with limited content. And finally, you wear the watch on your wrist and people see it all the time, so it needs to look good with the screen off. That's why a white bezel was never an option as the Watch would highlight the area where the screen is, while it needs to look like a watch.

The iPhone on the other hand has a completely white interface and a different purpose. With the new iPhone I expect them to want to highlight how big the screen is, instead of hiding parts by blending it in with the bezels. It's a different product with a different goal. I think this makes a lot of sense (even though no status information is shown in this app):

 

[9594864]

But it's a very different product with a very different interface. On the Apple Watch the bezels are pretty big, so hiding them by blending them with the screen would be the smart thing to do. Also, the Watch isn't about content consumption and more for showing bits of information, so it's easier to implement a completely black interface on such a small screen with limited content. And finally, you wear the watch on your wrist and people see it all the time, so it needs to look good with the screen off. That's why a white bezel was never an option as the Watch would highlight the area where the screen is, while it needs to look like a watch.

The iPhone on the other hand has a completely white interface and a different purpose. With the new iPhone I expect them to want to highlight how big the screen is, instead of hiding parts by blending it in with the bezels. It's a different product with a different goal. I think this makes a lot of sense (even though no status information is shown in this app):

No. See of course it's a different product but they would hide the cutout

 

[Shanghaichica]

I like the notch. Pertinent info will go on either side of the notch. I don't need too much stuff up there anyway. WiFi, battery, and LTE signal will do. Samsung apparently is already working to copy the notch in their next phone. As usual, Android phone makers will follow suit.

What exactly is there to follow here? Apple are not leading on this phone they are following/cat hung up.

 

[DNichter]

What exactly is there to follow here? Apple are not leading on this phone they are following/cat hung up.

The addition of a notch. I mentioned it in the post. I am not sure why Samsung would feel the need to do the same.

 

[Shanghaichica]

The addition of a notch. I mentioned it in the post. I am not sure why Samsung would feel the need to do the same.

Not only have I not heard of this rumour before, last year we heard in this very forum that Samsung would follow Apple by removing the headphone jack. Yet the headphone jack remains.

The notch is unnecessary imo. I don't think Samsung need to copy.

 

[DNichter]

Not only have I not heard of this rumour before, last year we heard in this very forum that Samsung would follow Apple by removing the headphone jack. Yet the headphone jack remains.

The notch is unnecessary imo. I don't think Samsung need to copy.

Yea, it came out recently, but sure it could just be a rumor. Guess we'll see about the headphone jack also. I don't think they need to copy, but apparently it's a consideration since they put out a patent for it.

 

[Gathomblipoob]

Yea, it came out recently, but sure it could just be a rumor. Guess we'll see about the headphone jack also. I don't think they need to copy, but apparently it's a consideration since they put out a patent for it.

And, of course, the iPhone wasn't the first phone to do away with the headphone jack.

 

[DNichter]

And, of course, the iPhone wasn't the first phone to do away with the headphone jack.

Haha, okay? Not sure why that is being brought up.

 

[Gathomblipoob]

Haha, okay? Not sure why that is being brought up.

I was referencing the Samsung copying Apple vs Apple copying Samsung comments.

 

[DNichter]

I was referencing the Samsung copying Apple vs Apple copying Samsung comments.

Oh okay, yea those still apply. Android phone makers have been copying Apple design for years. Samsung finally broke away with the S8 and made a nice phone. Not sure why they are going back? Maybe sales are not great.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Oh okay, yea those still apply. Android phone makers have been copying Apple design for years. Samsung finally broke away with the S8 and made a nice phone. Not sure why they are going back? Maybe sales are not great.

Were the S6, S7 edge, note edge copies of Apple designs too?

The note 8 isn't a one off it's an evolution of a design language they started with the note edge in 2014.

 

[DNichter]

Were the S6, S7 edge, note edge copies of Apple designs too?

The note 8 isn't a one off it's an evolution of a design language they started with the note edge in 2014.

Nah, definitely not Samsung as of late. More so other Android phone makers, as i mentioned. You started talking about Samsung so I mentioned the S8 was a nice looking phone. The Pixel, Huawei, Meizu, and OnePlus phones were more what came to mind.

 

[CTHarrryH]

Gee and I spend at least 14 hours a day looking at that cutout and I'll be so upset for those hours
Much more important that function. Wow - I'm going to be so upset as I stare at those cutouts.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Nah, definitely not Samsung as of late. More so other Android phone makers, as i mentioned. You started talking about Samsung so I mentioned the S8 was a nice looking phone. The Pixel, Huawei, Meizu, and OnePlus phones were more what came to mind.

Well I agree with that. You can add xiaomi to that list. I think their whole reason to exist is to copy.