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The MLB 2010 Season Thread

63dot said:
Wow, I can't see anybody being like that crew. During that time, some say it's the best group of guys in baseball, ever. Division wins with expectation for no less, close to unparalleled pitching, hitting in the 300s consistently, four WS wins. That's a Yankees dynasty among dynasties.
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I disagree. Except for the '98 team that was unstoppable and everyone knew it, all of those teams had some close calls in the playoffs, where a few bounces the other way would have denied them a pennant, much less a World Series. There are very few truly dominant teams, much less dynasties.

Personally, I think Mariano Rivera is the single biggest reason for the Yankees' success in the last 16 years. If they'd had an average closer during that time instead, they might not have won ANY titles.
 
aloofman said:
I disagree. Except for the '98 team that was unstoppable and everyone knew it, all of those teams had some close calls in the playoffs, where a few bounces the other way would have denied them a pennant, much less a World Series. There are very few truly dominant teams, much less dynasties.

Personally, I think Mariano Rivera is the single biggest reason for the Yankees' success in the last 16 years. If they'd had an average closer during that time instead, they might not have won ANY titles.
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Though Mo cost us the title back in 2001( damn it, he's human :( ). :p 2001 WS was great. The comebacks in Game 4 and 5. That's why Jeter is Mr. November. :D
 
mscriv said:
Go Rangers! I really hope we play well against the Yanks and it would be awesome to make the World Series.
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Lee isn't pitching until game 3, who else do you have that can beat the Yankees?
 
quagmire said:
Though Mo cost us the title back in 2001( damn it, he's human :( ). :p 2001 WS was great. The comebacks in Game 4 and 5. That's why Jeter is Mr. November. :D
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He's definitely amazing. I look at all the Yankee winning streaks from the past in their great history, but what Yankee crew had to put up with the great pitchers of today? Again, it's why a lot of the press and true Yankee fans consider Jeter and those around him in his career as the best of the best.

Whether drugs are being used, or whether pitching has evolved as an art form, or both, it's become very hard to hit off of them. You won't get another Ty Cobb but could have he hit better than 350 from let's say the great pitchers of the last 25 years? The Yankees, now as in the past, will find a way to hit better than the rest of the teams. Call it a huge budget, or call it a unique Yankee tradition, or whatever, one can never count out the Yankees.

If my Giants get into the WS, past Philly the '08 champs, and then beat NY the '09 champs, this will definitely favor in as the finest moment in SF Giant history.
 
MacNut said:
Lee isn't pitching until game 3, who else do you have that can beat the Yankees?
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No doubt the Yankees have better stats on paper, but that's why sports is so interesting. Anything can happen.

Outside of Lee, who would make only two starts if the series goes to a seventh game at Rangers Ballpark, the experience edge heavily favors the Yankees' veteran rotation.

"They may be first-time starters in a postseason championship series, but they've thrown some tough ballgames for us during the year, so they are battle-tested," Washington said of his rotation. "They've taken us to the point where we are and helped us get here. We expect them to help us get further."
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63dot said:
He's definitely amazing. I look at all the Yankee winning streaks from the past in their great history, but what Yankee crew had to put up with the great pitchers of today? Again, it's why a lot of the press and true Yankee fans consider Jeter and those around him in his career as the best of the best.
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Yep, and it makes me sick that some Yankee fans want to let Jeter go after this season. I see those people as fair weather fans. Now I did not start out as a Yankees fan( from MD so Orioles fan that lost my loyalty due to the owner being stupid as crap and practically murdering the team), but they have my loyalty now and even in bad times I will support them if they are making the effort to rebuild the team. And I support Jeter. Yeah, he is having a bad year and he had a bad one in '08. But, getting rid of him would be like getting rid of Mantle. Jeter is and always will be a Yankee.

I don't get why people hate the owners and ex-GM of the Mets. They made some good moves in Santana, Beltre, Wright, etc. Overall, they have good players on the team. It's just they are not performing to their potential and/or collapsing at the end of the season. It isn't like they have made horrible trades or has no interest in rebuilding the team( like the Orioles, Pirates, and Marlins).
 
quagmire said:
Though Mo cost us the title back in 2001( damn it, he's human :( ). :p 2001 WS was great. The comebacks in Game 4 and 5. That's why Jeter is Mr. November. :D
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That's one way of looking at it. Another way is that, without those unlikely comebacks in those two games, the Diamondbacks close out the series even earlier and there is no Game 7.

And I personally give him a bit of a pass on the Luis Gonzalez hit. That was maybe the weakest, seeing-eye, game-winning hit in postseason history. It was a good pitch and Gonzalez was jammed on it, but happened to fall into the shallow part of the outfield. If you could throw a pitch and know that the hitter would make that kind of contact, you'd keep on throwing it to him because it's unlikely to drive in a run.
 
quagmire said:
Yep, and it makes me sick that some Yankee fans want to let Jeter go after this season. I see those people as fair weather fans. Now I did not start out as a Yankees fan( from MD so Orioles fan that lost my loyalty due to the owner being stupid as crap and practically murdering the team), but they have my loyalty now and even in bad times I will support them if they are making the effort to rebuild the team. And I support Jeter. Yeah, he is having a bad year and he had a bad one in '08. But, getting rid of him would be like getting rid of Mantle. Jeter is and always will be a Yankee.
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I'm no Yankee fan, but I can see why you'd want Jeter back--it's somewhat like the Mariners re-signing Edgar Martinez after, say, 2002--he had one more good year, but fell off the old-player cliff in 2004. It's a gamble, but one worth taking for a fantastic player who is a lifetime member of your team. With that said, I'd take the same basic approach as Seattle did then--one year at a time. For all their colossal payroll, NYY already has tons locked up in aging players, many of who aren't going to be worth what they're paid (Burnett especially, but A-Rod is probably going to be a worse and worse deal from here on out, etc). The last thing they need is to be hamstrung by another big contract that holds on to an aging player too long.

I personally think Jeter's great--but overrated. His defense is flashy, but has never been as great as his reputation (horrid range), and is probably not going to improve at this point in his career. Pretty soon they'll have to face facts and get a new SS. (See Fangraphs for stats to back this up--SABR and otherwise. His bat is what keeps him worthwhile, and they can do better than his at the rate he's going. Keep him, but don't make the mistake of giving him a multi-year big deal. As soon as he loses some bat speed (pretty likely for a player in late 30s), his value is not going to hold up.
 
sysiphus said:
I'm no Yankee fan, but I can see why you'd want Jeter back--it's somewhat like the Mariners re-signing Edgar Martinez after, say, 2002--he had one more good year, but fell off the old-player cliff in 2004. It's a gamble, but one worth taking for a fantastic player who is a lifetime member of your team. With that said, I'd take the same basic approach as Seattle did then--one year at a time. For all their colossal payroll, NYY already has tons locked up in aging players, many of who aren't going to be worth what they're paid (Burnett especially, but A-Rod is probably going to be a worse and worse deal from here on out, etc). The last thing they need is to be hamstrung by another big contract that holds on to an aging player too long.

I personally think Jeter's great--but overrated. His defense is flashy, but has never been as great as his reputation (horrid range), and is probably not going to improve at this point in his career. Pretty soon they'll have to face facts and get a new SS. (See Fangraphs for stats to back this up--SABR and otherwise. His bat is what keeps him worthwhile, and they can do better than his at the rate he's going. Keep him, but don't make the mistake of giving him a multi-year big deal. As soon as he loses some bat speed (pretty likely for a player in late 30s), his value is not going to hold up.
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I can see the Yankees giving Jeter a 3 year deal. Or maybe 2 years with a team option for a 3rd. Either way, Jeter will be back as a Yankee.

While you have a point of them eventually needing a new SS, they have no where to put him else where. A-Rod can't go back to SS due to his now limited range, Cano is at 2nd, and Tex is at first. The outfield is also set with Gardner, Granderson, Swisher/Crawford( I am hoping we do go after Crawford so we can have speed in the outfield). He is going to stay at SS probably for the rest of his career.
 
Jeter will become the spokesman for the team, kinda like Yogi and Reggie. They won't let him go somewhere else once his playing days are done.
 
MacNut said:
Jeter will become the spokesman for the team, kinda like Yogi and Reggie. They won't let him go somewhere else once his playing days are done.
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Just don't fire Jeter after promising they won't like George did with Yogi. :D
 
MacNut said:
Jeter has said that he wants to own a team at some point.
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I think the Nationals are still looking for an owner. :p

If Jeter does end up owning the Yankees, will he be able to maintain the levels of "reinvesting in the team" as the Steinbrenners do?
 
quagmire said:
He is going to stay at SS probably for the rest of his career.
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Oh, I do hope so. It's funny enough listening to the national announcers slobber over him right now (MLBN still thinks he's the perfect example of SS defense)...it'll become pure comedy gold in a couple more years. Not to mention that it'll be much easier to beat NYY :)
 
sysiphus said:
Oh, I do hope so. It's funny enough listening to the national announcers slobber over him right now (MLBN still thinks he's the perfect example of SS defense)...it'll become pure comedy gold in a couple more years. Not to mention that it'll be much easier to beat NYY :)
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I think why people rate Jeter so high is because if he does get to the ball, the baserunner is pretty much out because he commits so few errors( he had only what? 5 errors this season. Does't compare to Cano's 2 errors, but still pretty good). Unless the baserunner is fast or the ball wasn't hit that hard and by the time Jeter got to it, it was too late.
 
quagmire said:
I think why people rate Jeter so high is because if he does get to the ball, the baserunner is pretty much out because he commits so few errors( he had only what? 5 errors this season. Does't compare to Cano's 2 errors, but still pretty good). Unless the baserunner is fast or the ball wasn't hit that hard and by the time Jeter got to it, it was too late.
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You're probably right. The obvious flaw in that evaluation, of course, is that an error on a ball reached is no better or worse than simply not getting to a ball and having it roll through to the outfield (Jeter's downfall...). The guy has great technique, and is nearly perfect with the balls he gets to. His problem is that he doesn't get to nearly enough of them.

(For futher expansion on errors vs balls reached, consider Adrian Beltre--in the past few years, he's been hands-down one of the best defensive 3B in baseball..but with relatively high error totals, because he gets to so many more balls than most do.)
 
quagmire said:
I think the Nationals are still looking for an owner. :p

If Jeter does end up owning the Yankees, will he be able to maintain the levels of "reinvesting in the team" as the Steinbrenners do?
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He won't ever own the Yankees, I doubt the Steinbrenners will give them up. Plus he could never afford them. He would have to go in as a partner.
 
sysiphus said:
You're probably right. The obvious flaw in that evaluation, of course, is that an error on a ball reached is no better or worse than simply not getting to a ball and having it roll through to the outfield (Jeter's downfall...). The guy has great technique, and is nearly perfect with the balls he gets to. His problem is that he doesn't get to nearly enough of them.
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That is the other factor I bet that does into it. On balls he barely gets to and has to do that twist and jump maneuver just has people in awe and amazement.
 
quagmire said:
That is the other factor I bet that does into it. On balls he barely gets to and has to do that twist and jump maneuver just has people in awe and amazement.
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Indeed. An appropriate time for a quote from The Onion:

The Onion said:
BRISTOL, CT—Baseball experts agreed Sunday that Derek Jeter, who fielded a routine ground ball during a regular-season game in which the Yankees were leading by five runs and then threw it to first base using one of his signature leaps, did not have to do that to record the out. "If it had been a hard-hit grounder in the hole or even a slow dribbler he had to charge, that would've been one thing," analyst John Kruk said during a broadcast of Baseball Tonight. "But when it's hit right to him by [Devil Rays first-baseman] Greg Norton, a guy who has no stolen bases and is still suffering the effects of a hamstring injury sustained earlier this year… Well, that's a different story." Jeter threw out Norton by 15 feet and pumped his fist in celebration at the end of the play.
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quagmire said:
I can see the Yankees giving Jeter a 3 year deal. Or maybe 2 years with a team option for a 3rd. Either way, Jeter will be back as a Yankee.
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You think?

I can't believe those "damn" Yankees.

At first, with zero points and five down, now all is tied in first game. That has got to hurt the psychological game of Texas, win or lose. Jeter still has it for sure as well as some other old Yanks. Wow.
 
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