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Apple has declared that three Macs are now obsolete or vintage, and that the company will no longer offer repair services or replacement parts for them. For legal reasons, the situation is different in Turkey and California, where some of the computers are instead labeled ‘vintage’ and will continue to be supported for a further two years …

The Macs concerned are:


    • Mac mini (Mid 2011) – Vintage
    • 21.5-inch iMac (Late 2009) – Obsolete worldwide
    • 27-inch iMac (Late 2009) – Obsolete worldwide
Apple declares products obsolete/vintage five years after it is last manufactured. Although this means that the company itself will no longer repair them, service is still often available from third-party companies provided they have the necessary parts.

So, the 2011 Mac Mini was last manufactured in October 2012, five years ago, thus it has just become vintage / obsolete (depending on location).

The 2012 Mac Mini was manufactured until about October 2014, thus it will become vintage / obsolete in October 2019. The new Mac Mini will almost certainly be coming before then.
 
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Depending on compression, a single 4K movie could use up all the space on an ATV. So streaming makes sense.

According to reports from major publications, that's not why Apple doesn't allow you to download 4k movies. It was a concession to the studios who balked at the iTunes pricing and the policy of free upgrades from HD to 4k. Apple is apparently charging less than other services that get a premium for 4k content (don't have a 4k TV and don't care personally). But you can see why Apple wanted lower pricing because it makes the purchase of the Apple TV hardware more attractive. And frankly, I think they also want you to become completely dependent on their servers where they have complete control.
 
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According to reports from major publications, that's not why Apple doesn't allow you to download 4k movies. It was a concession to the studios who balked at the iTunes pricing and the policy of free upgrades from HD to 4k. Apple is apparently charging less than other services that get a premium for 4k content (don't have a 4k TV and don't care personally). But you can see why Apple wanted lower pricing because it makes the purchase of the Apple TV hardware more attractive. And frankly, I think they also want you to become completely dependent on their servers where they have complete control.
I don't know how can people agree to buy movies to stream. I just don't get it. I will keep buying BluRays as long as they are being made.
 
"The new Mac mini is almost certainly coming"

I saw Bigfoot once...
Pfft. Amateur.

Us pros at self-delusion almost certainly see the new Mini here every other day.

Currently 438 pages of near sightings in less than 4 years.

Best place in the world to repeatedly just miss seeing something that doesn't exist.
 
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I don't know how can people agree to buy movies to stream. I just don't get it. I will keep buying BluRays as long as they are being made.
Agreed. I can understand streaming for a 24-hour *rental* for $2-3 or something like that, but I wouldn't "buy" the rights to permanently stream something for nearly the cost of a DVD or BluRay disc. What if the service goes belly up, or some legal squabble forces access to the content to be pulled?
 
I don't know how can people agree to buy movies to stream.

I'm the same way, but suspect it could be a generational thing. My daughter and son in law are in their mid 30's and have no interest in owning media, they're all about netflix, Apple Music, iCloud photos, cable TV, etc. I gave them a Mini but they just use it to do the same things as their iPhones and iPads with a bigger screen and keyboard. The mini crashed and I had to talk them through a time machine restore on the phone. Later they explained there were no files on the Mini that they even cared about.

They live in New York and aren't interested in owning real estate or cars either. My granddaughter knew how to do things on the iPhone and iPad well before she was a year old. And they will all be around buying Apple devices and services long after I'm gone. ;)
 
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I'm the same way, but suspect it could be a generational thing. My daughter and son in law are in their mid 30's and have no interest in owning media, they're all about netflix, Apple Music, iCloud photos, cable TV, etc. I gave them a Mini but they just use to do the same things as their iPhones and iPads with a bigger screen and keyboard. The mini crashed and I had to talk them through a time machine restore on the phone. Later they explained there were no files on the Mini that they even cared about.

They live in New York and aren't interested in owning real estate or cars either. My granddaughter knew how to do things on the iPhone and iPad well before she was a year old. And they will all be around buying Apple devices and services long after I'm gone. ;)
True ;) Lol, Then I'm not alone. :)
 
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I don't know how can people agree to buy movies to stream. I just don't get it. I will keep buying BluRays as long as they are being made.
I have bought quite a few on iTunes; still cheaper than a night out at the movies with the family and can re-watch later on my Mac or iPad. HD versions of 4K movies can be downloaded.

I get the point about a movie being potentially pulled but it is what it is.
 
What if the service goes belly up, or some legal squabble forces access to the content to be pulled?

So far it's been okay. For example when "Target Ticket" closed doors, there was plenty of warning and they partnered with VUDU to transfer all of my titles. There are some infamous examples like the "Amazon 1984 Incident", but those are quite rare. Almost certainly far more people have lost their physical media due to the dog eating it. You could also have a fire, flood, theft, warped/melted media because the car got too hot, toddler used it as a hockey buck, or whatever else.

Physical media doesn't just get destroyed, it also becomes obsolete. 8mm, tape cassettes, Beta, VHS, HD-DVD, 8-track, Laser Disc, CDs, DVD, vinyl records, DVIX. Heck, Warner Brothers HD-DVDs literally have bit-rot that made many of them unplayable after just a few years.

UHD is coming, so BD will be obsolete too. BD 3D titles are going to be obsolete first, with all major manufacturers having dropped that feature in their current lineup of TVs. If my current 3DTV dies, how will I watch my 3DBD collection?

Even if the format isn't obsolete, the content can go obsolete with extended cuts, director cuts, special editions, remasters, etc. If you love physical media I bet you've done this too, just as I have...virtually everyone buying physical media is familiar with the concept of double dipping, triple dipping, etc. In fact, I've bought Top Gun 5 times... VHS, Laserdisc, DVD, BD, and 3DBD. I am now considering double/triple/quad dipping on some UHD titles.

Now contrast that to iTunes, who upgraded everyone for free from 720 to 1080. And now they are doing it again from 1080 to 4K. I don't remember my VHS movies getting free upgrades.

And there is the sheer volume of the physical space they take. My dad has boxes and boxes and boxes of DVDs, VHS, Beta, Laserdisc, audio cassettes, CDs, and vinyl. These moving boxes go with him every time he changes apartments. They never even get opened--they just sit there in depressing stacks of obsolete media as a reminder of glory days gone by. I even found a box of reel-to-reel audio tapes for crying out loud. Then there are those vertical racks that hold movies; they just seem so...ghetto. I hide mine away behind doors.

Yeah I know physical media still looks and sounds better. But frankly, there are times when streaming is better as well. I had an unexpected 6 hour wait in the hospital while my mom had a procedure. Can I play my laser discs there? What could I do with a Redbox DVD rental? How about an UHD disc? Nothing. I can stream though. One of the best features of many current BDs is, somewhat ironically, that they often come with a streaming code.

Anyway, I say this as someone who actually prefers and still buys physical media. I have cassettes and VHS and laserdisc and HD-DVD and Blu-ray and 3D Blu-ray and vinyl and now BD UHD. I know the problems with physical media because I live it.

You could list all the problems with streaming and I'd agree with you--I'm just pointing out that neither of the methods are forever and both have many,many problems.
 
So far it's been okay. For example when "Target Ticket" closed doors, there was plenty of warning and they partnered with VUDU to transfer all of my titles. There are some infamous examples like the "Amazon 1984 Incident", but those are quite rare. Almost certainly far more people have lost their physical media due to the dog eating it. You could also have a fire, flood, theft, warped/melted media because the car got too hot, toddler used it as a hockey buck, or whatever else.

Physical media doesn't just get destroyed, it also becomes obsolete. 8mm, tape cassettes, Beta, VHS, HD-DVD, 8-track, Laser Disc, CDs, DVD, vinyl records, DVIX. Heck, Warner Brothers HD-DVDs literally have bit-rot that made many of them unplayable after just a few years.

UHD is coming, so BD will be obsolete too. BD 3D titles are going to be obsolete first, with all major manufacturers having dropped that feature in their current lineup of TVs. If my current 3DTV dies, how will I watch my 3DBD collection?

Even if the format isn't obsolete, the content can go obsolete with extended cuts, director cuts, special editions, remasters, etc. If you love physical media I bet you've done this too, just as I have...virtually everyone buying physical media is familiar with the concept of double dipping, triple dipping, etc. In fact, I've bought Top Gun 5 times... VHS, Laserdisc, DVD, BD, and 3DBD. I am now considering double/triple/quad dipping on some UHD titles.

Now contrast that to iTunes, who upgraded everyone for free from 720 to 1080. And now they are doing it again from 1080 to 4K. I don't remember my VHS movies getting free upgrades.

And there is the sheer volume of the physical space they take. My dad has boxes and boxes and boxes of DVDs, VHS, Beta, Laserdisc, audio cassettes, CDs, and vinyl. These moving boxes go with him every time he changes apartments. They never even get opened--they just sit there in depressing stacks of obsolete media as a reminder of glory days gone by. I even found a box of reel-to-reel audio tapes for crying out loud. Then there are those vertical racks that hold movies; they just seem so...ghetto. I hide mine away behind doors.

Yeah I know physical media still looks and sounds better. But frankly, there are times when streaming is better as well. I had an unexpected 6 hour wait in the hospital while my mom had a procedure. Can I play my laser discs there? What could I do with a Redbox DVD rental? How about an UHD disc? Nothing. I can stream though. One of the best features of many current BDs is, somewhat ironically, that they often come with a streaming code.

Anyway, I say this as someone who actually prefers and still buys physical media. I have cassettes and VHS and laserdisc and HD-DVD and Blu-ray and 3D Blu-ray and vinyl and now BD UHD. I know the problems with physical media because I live it.

You could list all the problems with streaming and I'd agree with you--I'm just pointing out that neither of the methods are forever and both have many,many problems.

I have close to three thousand CDs DVDs and BluRays. I have heard stories about optical medial rotting, especially CD and DVD. Out of the about three thousand (about 1800 CD and DVD and BR, the rest game on cd dvd and br) the only optical disc I had issue with was a DVD which had a game (TOCA 2 for PC IIRC) and a CD (BOTF for PC). That is collecting discs since 1991 (audio), 1994 (games), 1997(DVDs). So a failure rate lower than 1 per 1000. I think I will continue to prefer the security of optical discs to an online server and a company which if something goes wrong I lose access to it all (or part). Considering the BR which are supposed to be of even better quality and that CDs are in commercial use since the 80s. Yeah, physical it is.
 
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I have close to three thousand CDs DVDs and BluRays. I have heard stories about optical medial rotting, especially CD and DVD. Out of the about three thousand (about 1800 CD and DVD and BR, the rest game on cd dvd and br) the only optical disc I had issue with was a DVD which had a game (TOCA 2 for PC IIRC) and a CD (BOTF for PC). That is collecting discs since 1991 (audio), 1994 (games), 1997(DVDs). So a failure rate lower than 1 per 1000.

I'm confused by your response because I didn't claim that any of those formats experience bit rot. My experience with them is similar to yours--they are extremely reliable if properly cared for.

If you were skimming my post and saw "bit rot" without the context of the sentence that it was in, I'll point out that it wasn't about CDs, DVDs, or BluRays. I specifically mentioned Warner Brothers brand HD-DVDs, where the problem is commonplace.
 
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I have close to three thousand CDs DVDs and BluRays. I have heard stories about optical medial rotting, especially CD and DVD. Out of the about three thousand (about 1800 CD and DVD and BR, the rest game on cd dvd and br) the only optical disc I had issue with was a DVD which had a game (TOCA 2 for PC IIRC) and a CD (BOTF for PC). That is collecting discs since 1991 (audio), 1994 (games), 1997(DVDs). So a failure rate lower than 1 per 1000. I think I will continue to prefer the security of optical discs to an online server and a company which if something goes wrong I lose access to it all (or part). Considering the BR which are supposed to be of even better quality and that CDs are in commercial use since the 80s. Yeah, physical it is.
I thought you were leaving ...

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...rtainly-coming.1681773/page-432#post-25256173
 
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Apple seems to do fine with macs without mini update.
I've lost hope for good update.
Seems to be that both mac and ipad lineup are dividing to cheap and very expensive.
There's no room for affordable power user.
iMac pro will add to that.
Seems to be that there can't be a affordable desktop mac with ram slots and dGPU.
So, what I'm looking for now, is the chart of most geekbench pts per dollar of used macs with ram slots. Then I need a eGPU box...
Anybody seen that kind of chart anywhere?
 
Agreed. I can understand streaming for a 24-hour *rental* for $2-3 or something like that, but I wouldn't "buy" the rights to permanently stream something for nearly the cost of a DVD or BluRay disc. What if the service goes belly up, or some legal squabble forces access to the content to be pulled?

Over the years I’ve had purchased movies disappear from my iTunes library apparently due to licensing issues.
 
Even if the format isn't obsolete, the content can go obsolete with... ...remasters,
Don't get me started.

I mean, I appreciate a technically improved version as much as anybody, and some of the director's cuts as well.

But why is it always released within a few months of me buying the previous technically inferior, non-director's cut version? And watching it. o_O
 
I returned just to annoy you.
Your acceptance of mediocrity(if only the mini could aspire to this level), is not annoying. If you vehemently tried to defend Apple, time and time again, that would be a different story.

Oh wait, look who liked your post!
 
Your acceptance of mediocrity(if only the mini could aspire to this level), is not annoying. If you vehemently tried to defend Apple, time and time again, that would be a different story.

Oh wait, look who liked your post!

Oddly enough, I knew precisely who it must be after reading "Your acceptance of mediocrity". :D
 
We've all been led to the cliff by Apple - believers for so long - dreams of growing to fit the capabilities but alas Apple stalled ... and stalled with no published "headless" plan and an obvious preoccupation with mobility. When led to the cliff the herd does not necessarily all jump at the same time - some linger others turn back (although this is not a possibility when staying current) - others just follow along and jump without a thought.

I don't think any of us deserve blame - in fact any negative adjectives are best suited for Apple.
 
Unca Cook wanted to make Apple a chic design company so bad, nerdy Mac's just didn't have a future there in the rainbow land. But, it seems that someone has waken up the captain, according to the latest messages about Mac Pro and Mac Mini. So now they're in a panic mode trying to create a new Mac Pro. And Mac Mini as well.
 
Physical media doesn't just get destroyed, it also becomes obsolete. 8mm, tape cassettes, Beta, VHS, HD-DVD, 8-track, Laser Disc, CDs, DVD, vinyl records, DVIX. Heck, Warner Brothers HD-DVDs literally have bit-rot that made many of them unplayable after just a few years.
This entire post is disturbingly correct.

I've actually been thinking about my photo collection which is on two computers, Backblaze, iCloud, two Time Machine drives, but I don't have a physical copy, so WHAT NOW?! But I have 36 thousand photos. And movie clips that I can't quite print. On the other hand, I have Pet Shop Boys' Performance on DVD and VHS. They are different recordings due to copyright problem. The VHS version is not on YouTube/Vimeo/etc., and obviously it's also not on the DVD. I have no way of playing it. So there I am with my physical media...

...which is unrelated to a Mac Mini which also does not read VHS tapes, but unlike the renaissance of VHS tapes it is almost certainly coming. I wish it would hurry up, because there are people who have now been hearing from me for two years or more that there's a Mac that would be great for them, except they shouldn't buy it until it's updated very soon.
 
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