The problem with iOS 7 is that everything is just... slower.

[Trius]

We can revisit this in a few months, if you'd like. I just don't believe that my concerns with animations speeds/folder app numbers will be addressed.

Then you sir, are being silly. Why on earth would they release a new OS that seems slower than its predecessor. IMO you are being slightly pessimistic and underestimating Apple's coders. We've seen the same thing happen with previous iOS betas.

 

[C DM]

Then you sir, are being silly. Why on earth would they release a new OS that seems slower than its predecessor. IMO you are being slightly pessimistic and underestimating Apple's coders. We've seen the same thing happen with previous iOS betas.

If the extra "cooler" animations are part of the new design, then they would release them like that. They might very well be designed like that where at least some, if not quite a bit of form is used over function, so to say, and has nothing to do with optimizations or it being a beta or anything like that.

 

[appleisking]

Then you sir, are being silly. Why on earth would they release a new OS that seems slower than its predecessor. IMO you are being slightly pessimistic and underestimating Apple's coders. We've seen the same thing happen with previous iOS betas.

To be fair mountain lion is def. slower than lion.

 

[WilliamG]

We've seen the same thing happen with previous iOS betas.

I've used many, many betas. I've never seen anything like this change from the first beta to the final. I've seen speed improvements for things that obviously "chug" or aren't smooth. But actual coded animations which are SPECIFICALLY designed like this, as iOS 7's are, - I've never seen changed in any iOS beta in the past.

I'm not being pessimistic. I'm being realistic! But like I said, - I hope it does change. I just don't think it will.

 

[Mrg02d]

I don't have iOS 7 but from what I have seen on YouTube, I haven't noticed any lag or slowness. Have you guys, with the slowness, installed the beta FRESH? As in, NOT as an upgrade? The legit way.

 

[WilliamG]

I don't have iOS 7 but from what I have seen on YouTube, I haven't noticed any lag or slowness. Have you guys, with the slowness, installed the beta FRESH? As in, NOT as an upgrade? The legit way.

Please, this is NOT lag. This is nothing to do with "performance." How many times does this have to be repeated? 🙁

 

[Mrg02d]

Please, this is NOT lag. This is nothing to do with "performance." How many times does this have to be repeated? 🙁

I never said anything about performance. 🙄

Lag = slow

Your entire thread whines about slowness. What on earth are you whining about then, if iOS 7 isn't slow?

 

[C DM]

I never said anything about performance. 🙄

Lag = slow

Your entire thread whines about slowness. What on earth are you whining about then, if iOS 7 isn't slow?

It's about extra longer/"cooler" animations added to a lot of things, like opening/closing apps, opening/closing folders, etc. It might not be immediately noticeable in videos, but when you actually use the phone you feel things taking longer due to the additional animations that are now there.

 

[MRU]

I never said anything about performance. 🙄

Lag = slow

Your entire thread whines about slowness. What on earth are you whining about then, if iOS 7 isn't slow?

Lag isn't slow.....

Something can move very smoothly albeit slowly - but it is not LAG.

Something that is laggy can be slow or fast, the difference is LAG = not smooth........

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I don't have iOS 7 but from what I have seen on YouTube, I haven't noticed any lag or slowness. Have you guys, with the slowness, installed the beta FRESH? As in, NOT as an upgrade? The legit way.

Judging things from Youtube videos and then telling other folks who have experienced it first hand themselves how they are wrong is the very height of ignorance...

 

[Rogifan]

If the extra "cooler" animations are part of the new design, then they would release them like that. They might very well be designed like that where at least some, if not quite a bit of form is used over function, so to say, and has nothing to do with optimizations or it being a beta or anything like that.

So would you say the paper shredder in passbook is form over function?

I just have a hard time believing Apple would on purpose ship something that is noticeably slower in terms of how you interact with it.

 

[C DM]

So would you say the paper shredder in passbook is form over function?

I just have a hard time believing Apple would on purpose ship something that is noticeably slower in terms of how you interact with it.

Sure, for the most part it is. However, you use that "paper shredder" only occasionally in limited instances when you are getting rid of something in Passbook, whereas the default animations for unlocking the phone, launching/closing and app, opening/closing a folder, bringing up multitasking/recent apps view, etc., are used on a constant basis many times during any given day by most people.

If they like the animation and think it adds "cooler" effects, then even if it is somewhat slower--essentially longer lasting--than before, they can surely do it for aesthetical type of reasons. Heck, they have the genie effect in minimizing windows in OS X--it looks kind of fun/"cool", but doesn't really do anything useful and takes somewhat longer than a simple non-"cool" scale minimize effect.

 

[appleisking]

Sure, for the most part it is. However, you use that "paper shredder" only occasionally in limited instances when you are getting rid of something in Passbook, whereas the default animations for unlocking the phone, launching/closing and app, opening/closing a folder, bringing up multitasking/recent apps view, etc., are used on a constant basis many times during any given day by most people.

If they like the animation and think it adds "cooler" effects, then even if it is somewhat slower--essentially longer lasting--than before, they can surely do it for aesthetical type of reasons. Heck, they have the genie effect in minimizing windows in OS X--it looks kind of fun/"cool", but doesn't really do anything useful and takes somewhat longer than a simple non-"cool" scale minimize effect.

Takes less than a sec. for me. If they can do the same for ios7, there will be no complaints from me.

 

[Asclepio]

craig federighi, he slowed down mac os and now ios, snow leopard still faster and smoother, also have better performance (geekbench 64) than ML and mavericks in my 2011 imac.

 

[Decimotox]

No, my complaints were about design, not speed. It's in the very first line of the very first post. 🙂

I really think it's best to revisit this thread in a few months when the GM is out. Then we can see if any of our concerns are valid.

Just because you said at the outset you weren't talking about speed doesn't mean you weren't actually talking about speed 🙄

 

[C DM]

Just because you said at the outset you weren't talking about speed doesn't mean you weren't actually talking about speed 🙄

Perhaps a better term would be the "length" or essentially "duration" of animations, and the "abundance" of animations.

 

[cjmillsnun]

If it is a problem, Apple wants to hear about it now. Not at release.

Again, the purpose of the beta is to identify and address issues before release, to avoid a public outcry when IOS7 is deployed to tens of millions of iPhones.

Not from Macrumors it doesn't

Don't you think that developers when they find problems raise the issues with Apple using the correct channels?

Whining on here won't do a blessed thing.

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Sorry I saw this and had to say something. I've been a developer for over 22 years and just because a release is a Beta, doesn't mean it has to be slow. I love Apple products as much as the next man (god knows I've got enough of them).

Every Beta Apple produce seems to be slower than the current "released to the public" version and this seems to be a trend I've noticed over the years.

At work we develop functionality in conjunction with performance as the two in our minds go hand in hand. Apple however seem to work on the functionality first and once it's close to acceptable, then work on performance. This is just an observation by m, but may not actually be the case.

What I hate on these forums are other developers shouting the odds of "Its a Beta". Yes we all know it's a beta, lets just accept it and move on. The idea of these forums are to get opinions from others and to see if functionality etc they are seeing is common amongst other developers/testers/users or if there is anything they are doing wrong which can be corrected with the help of others so only real bugs can get reported when necessary.
[/Rant over, move along now]

OK I get it, you're a dev. But have you ever tried to develop the underlying OS that your software runs on?

It's not just a few lines of code. iOS has millions of lines of code, some dating back over two decades. It is normal for a lot of debug code to be in there and that slows things down, because we're not talking high level, we're talking device drivers, how the hardware is controlled, memory access, etc, right down to the operating system kernel.

The point of these forums is for all and sundry to break their NDA. If you're in the dev program and have access you'll be reporting this directly to Apple in a form where they'll actually take an interest.

 

[WilliamG]

Perhaps a better term would be the "length" or essentially "duration" of animations, and the "abundance" of animations.

I accept that I'm not perfect. I have tried to clarify things as best I can. I don't disagree with you. 🙂

 

[Trius]

It's about extra longer/"cooler" animations added to a lot of things, like opening/closing apps, opening/closing folders, etc. It might not be immediately noticeable in videos, but when you actually use the phone you feel things taking longer due to the additional animations that are now there.

I admit iOS 7 in its current version is slower to bring up the multitask menu, switching apps etc.. but, on my phone at least, the problem lies in the second or two it takes to BEGIN the animation. I really don't think the animations themselves are slower than iOS 6. Again, it's most likely because optimizations have not been fully implemented. Watch, when GM is released, the multitask menu will pop up the instant you call for it, just like iOS 6.

 

[C DM]

I admit iOS 7 in its current version is slower to bring up the multitask menu, switching apps etc.. but, on my phone at least, the problem lies in the second or two it takes to BEGIN the animation. I really don't think the animations themselves are slower than iOS 6. Again, it's most likely because optimizations have not been fully implemented. Watch, when GM is released, the multitask menu will pop up the instant you call for it, just like iOS 6.

Well, as the OP mentioned in a few posts in the thread, let's hope that's the case and see how it is when the GM is out.

 

[Mrg02d]

This whole thread seems no different than tasting some stew while its still stewing.

 

[C DM]

This whole thread seems no different than tasting some stew while its still stewing.

Aside from the fact that that's a poor analogy at best, you do realize that any cook worth a damn tastes what they are cooking many times during the whole cooking process to make sure things are heading in the right direction.

 

[appleisking]

Aside from the fact that that's a poor analogy at best, you do realize that any cook worth a damn tastes what they are cooking many times during the whole cooking process to make sure things are heading in the right direction.

Yup, agreed the cooking analogy does not apply here and if it does certainly not in his favor.

 

[Mrg02d]

Actually the food analogy does apply. The final product ought taste better than the unfinished.

Now i understand the dev whining about none devs threads.

Surely the pretasting being done here shows that iOS 7 IS heading in the right direction. Please chill and wait for your waiter to serve your apple stew before bashing it.

Edit: also, seems a lot are confusing lag with choppy. Lag is slow, as in, someone lags behind...Choppy is the opposite of smooth.

 

[C DM]

Actually the food analogy does apply. The final product ought taste better than the unfinished.

Now i understand the dev whining about none devs threads.

Surely the pretasting being done here shows that iOS 7 IS heading in the right direction. Please chill and wait for your waiter to serve your apple stew before bashing it.

Edit: also, seems a lot are confusing lag with choppy. Lag is slow, as in, someone lags behind...Choppy is the opposite of smooth.

That's a completely oversimplified way of looking at cooking, which is part of the reason why it's such a poor analogy. No real point of trying a to go deeper into it somehow as we aren't discussing anything related to cooking as the development process of software is simply not alike (aside from some sort of an amateurish oversimplified "mile high" attempt to look at it).

If you also read through the thread you would have seen that the discussion isn't actually about something being slow or choppy or laggy, but mainly about the designed duration of new animations and the abundance of those animations throughout the OS. It's got little to do with things being in beta stage or anything like that, at least as far as these being some sort of "bugs".

That said, as also been pointed out in a few replies earlier in the thread, things might change by the time we arrive at GM/final release (again not because there's some bug or something but because the design might be tweaked), so we'll have to hold on and see and hope that will be the case.

 

[alanjfrancis]

Quote:
The idea of these forums are to get opinions from others and to see if functionality etc they are seeing is common amongst other developers/testers

Up until this point, no. The idea of the Apple Developer Forums is what you stated.

Developers/Testers do use these forums too. There are plenty of them about on these forums.