The way Apple handles iOS upgrades is almost criminal.

[Paddle1]

Handle it, yes it could.

Should it? I'd personally say no, simply because I (selfishly) want improvements made to be exclusive to the latest chipsets. The A7 and A8 are the only chips which utilise every aspect of iOS 8 (Metal, etc).

Older chipset support presents baggage that affects performance, and I'm fed up with older devices holding back newer ones. It's time to move on. Just my view.

There is no proof that dropping older devices would improve performance on newer ones, in fact the opposite appears to be true. New updates slow down older devices and cater to new ones. I think having less powerful devices stops Apple from making the OS too bloated. For example iOS 6 worked more smoothly because the groundwork that it used was from iOS 1 which had to run well on the original iPhone.

With iOS 7 the software ran well on the A6 and up while not running the best on A4 or A5. But now iOS 8 is a more feature packed update and that, plus the design of iOS 7 has resulted in an OS that isn't always as smooth or snappy as iOS 6.

 

[Max(IT)]

That's kind of what I'm saying, watching forums like this one you get a picture of never updating at all because there are always more posts about horrible things happening than good things. It doesn't paint an accurate picture and it still doesn't really tell you what it will be like for you and on your device. It's a useful resource of course but to a fairly limited degree.

Agree. Reading most of the threads here you'd never buy any Apple product

 

[Italianblend]

Agree. Reading most of the threads here you'd never buy any Apple product

I think these complaints are good and overall increase awareness that Apple isn't without faults. They can also be informative - and a great way to prevent your device from becoming slower.

 

[Septillion]

It's really not cool, and here's why:

You have a cool apple device that works fine. Oh look, there's a new ios update, cool! It popped up on my screen. That means that it's an improvement and a normal upgrade. I will get it. I can't wait to try it out.

Now, my ipod, ipad, iphone, etc, is slower that it was before. This new ios is slowing things down. And, I can't downgrade back? Now, I have to buy a brand new device so that it runs smoothly when my device was working perfectly a few minutes ago?

Well, personally, I feel as if it's borderline criminal to offer upgrades that cripple their own devices. If apple is the transparent company they claim to be, they should inform its customers as to the version of ios that runs the best on their device, and then allow them to use it.

It really should be done away with, and if I was a hotshot lawyer, I would be on the case. I would really like to see somebody put apple in its place on this issue.

That's why iOS won't face such fragmentation problems like Android. I think it is essential to keep up, 'cause you get the latest security updates.

You don't wanna end up being Android don't you? Being left behind only a couple of months after release and fancy those new flagship running the latest operating system.

 

[sunking101]

That's why iOS won't face such fragmentation problems like Android. I think it is essential to keep up, 'cause you get the latest security updates.

You don't wanna end up being Android don't you? Being left behind only a couple of months after release and fancy those new flagship running the latest operating system.

I don't do anything different with iOS8 than I used to do with iOS6. I browse the web, make calls, use apps and send messages etc.
How could anyone feel left behind? I don't understand what they would be missing. iOS8 doesn't look any different to 7.1.2, and it has more bugs. I would MUCH rather be 'left behind' on an older and more stable o/s to be honest.

 

[C DM]

That's why iOS won't face such fragmentation problems like Android. I think it is essential to keep up, 'cause you get the latest security updates.

You don't wanna end up being Android don't you? Being left behind only a couple of months after release and fancy those new flagship running the latest operating system.

Simoly allowing a few people to remain on an older version of iOS that works better for them isn't going to come even close to cause anytbing like that or really anything at all.

 

[Rodster]

I don't do anything different with iOS8 than I used to do with iOS6. I browse the web, make calls, use apps and send messages etc.
How could anyone feel left behind? I don't understand what they would be missing. iOS8 doesn't look any different to 7.1.2, and it has more bugs. I would MUCH rather be 'left behind' on an older and more stable o/s to be honest.

Totally agree and the more things change the more they stay the same. Here I thought that iOS 7 allowed you to play audio and Youtube in the background. Come to find out so does iOS 5.1.1 and the entire design still looks basically the same and functions the same way with a few changes.

As far as security goes, I don't buy into the FUD that your iDevice is a hackers delight if you don't keep up with the latest iOS release.

 

[I7guy]

Simoly allowing a few people to remain on an older version of iOS that works better for them isn't going to come even close to cause anytbing like that or really anything at all.

Sure, in your opinion only. You have to hear apple's side of it to understand their position. They have their rational (although we don't know what their rational is, only the end-result of their policies) whether you agree or not.

 

[C DM]

Sure, in your opinion only. You have to hear apple's side of it to understand their position. They have their rational (although we don't know what their rational is, only the end-result of their policies) whether you agree or not.

Doubtful its in my opinion only, as this thread alone demonstrates. But in any case it's not going to be doom and gloom as being implied by some. That's more out there than "my" opinion certainly.

And whatever Apple's opinion is clearly they aren't doing it on Mac OS and haven't for decades, so that would basically negate quite a bit of any of it (and that's on top of their take simply being simicity for them and/or something that really just mostly serves their interests, which isn't mich for consumers who want to be able to use a functional and stable version of iOS on their devices).

 

[Michael Goff]

Doubtful its in my opinion only, as this thread alone demonstrates. But in any case it's not going to be doom and gloom as being implied by some. That's more out there than "my" opinion certainly.

And whatever Apple's opinion is clearly they aren't doing it on Mac OS and haven't for decades, so that would basically negate quite a bit of any of it (and that's on top of their take simply being simicity for them and/or something that really just mostly serves their interests, which isn't mich for consumers who want to be able to use a functional and stable version of iOS on their devices).

Yes, possibly even tens of thousands of people would downgrade. Apple should change the way they do things to cater to this group! :/

 

[Max(IT)]

I don't do anything different with iOS8 than I used to do with iOS6. I browse the web, make calls, use apps and send messages etc.
How could anyone feel left behind? I don't understand what they would be missing. iOS8 doesn't look any different to 7.1.2, and it has more bugs. I would MUCH rather be 'left behind' on an older and more stable o/s to be honest.

IOS 8.1 doesn't have more bugs than iOS 7.1 but it does have many more functionalities.
I really laugh loud at all these people speaking about iOS 7.1 as the definitive operative system, while exactly one year ago they were whining about how awful iOS 7 was compared to the perfect iOS 6.... Incidentally one year before they were going mad about how buggy iOS 6 was compared to iOS 5, the perfect iOS ever. And so on.....

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Yes, possibly even tens of thousands of people would downgrade. Apple should change the way they do things to cater to this group! :/

I'm quite sure they aren't even thousands.... People love to have the latest iOS and usually rush to download it.
This is a typical forum's first world problem....

 

[Michael Goff]

IOS 8.1 doesn't have more bugs than iOS 7.1 but it does have many more functionalities.
I really laugh loud at all these people speaking about iOS 7.1 as the definitive operative system, while exactly one year ago they were whining about how awful iOS 7 was compared to the perfect iOS 6.... Incidentally one year before they were going mad about how buggy iOS 6 was compared to iOS 5, the perfect iOS ever. And so on.....

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I'm quite sure they aren't even thousands.... People love to have the latest iOS and usually rush to download it.
This is a typical forum's first world problem....

My point was more than even if it was 20k, it would be ... what? Less than 1/10th of 1%?

 

[sunking101]

IOS 8.1 doesn't have more bugs than iOS 7.1 but it does have many more functionalities.
I really laugh loud at all these people speaking about iOS 7.1 as the definitive operative system, while exactly one year ago they were whining about how awful iOS 7 was compared to the perfect iOS 6.... Incidentally one year before they were going mad about how buggy iOS 6 was compared to iOS 5, the perfect iOS ever. And so on.....

iOS7 was buggy, mainly battery life and spinning data wheels for me, but iOS8 is even more buggy. I don't use or even need the new features. Sure people will complain about every new version of iOS but I've never seen so much complaining as for these past two versions. You'd think that Apple would have learned lessons from iOS7 but it appears that they learned none.

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I'm quite sure they aren't even thousands.... People love to have the latest iOS and usually rush to download it.
This is a typical forum's first world problem....

I don't personally know of anyone who likes iOS8, and not many cared for iOS7 at the time either. High adoption rates mean nothing when a free update pops up promising improved performance and it's badgering you to install it. Most do, shrug and then carry on. That doesn't mean they love it or wouldn't prefer to have the old version again.

 

[Michael Goff]

iOS7 was buggy, mainly battery life and spinning data wheels for me, but iOS8 is even more buggy. I don't use or even need the new features. Sure people will complain about every new version of iOS but I've never seen so much complaining as for these past two versions. You'd think that Apple would have learned lessons from iOS7 but it appears that they learned none.

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I don't personally know of anyone who likes iOS8, and not many cared for iOS7 at the time either. High adoption rates mean nothing when a free update pops up promising improved performance and it's badgering you to install it. Most do, shrug and then carry on. That doesn't mean they love it or wouldn't prefer to have the old version again.

"I don't personally know anyone who..." is not proof.

 

[Max(IT)]

"I don't personally know anyone who..." is not proof.

It's just like his "i know other people that..."

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iOS7 was buggy, mainly battery life and spinning data wheels for me, but iOS8 is even more buggy. I don't use or even need the new features. Sure people will complain about every new version of iOS but I've never seen so much complaining as for these past two versions. You'd think that Apple would have learned lessons from iOS7 but it appears that they learned none.

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I don't personally know of anyone who likes iOS8, and not many cared for iOS7 at the time either. High adoption rates mean nothing when a free update pops up promising improved performance and it's badgering you to install it. Most do, shrug and then carry on. That doesn't mean they love it or wouldn't prefer to have the old version again.

We don't care if you use them or not. New features, and their supporting APIs, are there....
Apple don't need any sunking's lesson about how to do a new operative system. IOS 8 is better than iOS 7, while not perfect for sure.
Since people aren't forced to install it, adoption rates mean a lot of things.

I personally know a lot of people that like iOS 8: does that count?

 

[C DM]

Yes, possibly even tens of thousands of people would downgrade. Apple should change the way they do things to cater to this group! :/

Further supporting that it wouldn't be much of an impact one way or another for them or really anyone (aside from people who might need a way to do it to have a better experience on their devices). And all they have to change is simply still sign the last previous major version of iOS. Certainly something that would cost them millions and years of engineering to accomplish, right?

 

[sunking101]

"I don't personally know anyone who..." is not proof.

People saying that millions of iPhone users across the globe are happy etc isn't proof either.

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It's just like his "i know other people that..."

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We don't care if you use them or not. New features, and their supporting APIs, are there....
Apple don't need any sunking's lesson about how to do a new operative system. IOS 8 is better than iOS 7, while not perfect for sure.
Since people aren't forced to install it, adoption rates mean a lot of things.

I personally know a lot of people that like iOS 8: does that count?

I was forced to have iOS8. It came with my iPhone 6+.
My comment about not personally knowing anyone who likes iOS8 was in response to someone, you in fact, saying that most people like having the latest upgrades.

 

[Michael Goff]

People saying that millions of iPhone users across the globe are happy etc isn't proof either.

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I was forced to have iOS8. It came with my iPhone 6+.
My comment about not personally knowing anyone who likes iOS8 was in response to someone, you in fact, saying that most people like having the latest upgrades.

That's why I generally try to go with things like ... statistics.

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Further supporting that it wouldn't be much of an impact one way or another for them or really anyone (aside from people who might need a way to do it to have a better experience on their devices). And all they have to change is simply still sign the last previous major version of iOS. Certainly something that would cost them millions and years of engineering to accomplish, right?

Except they'd also have to support that version of the OS.

 

[Max(IT)]

Further supporting that it wouldn't be much of an impact one way or another for them or really anyone (aside from people who might need a way to do it to have a better experience on their devices). And all they have to change is simply still sign the last previous major version of iOS. Certainly something that would cost them millions and years of engineering to accomplish, right?

Agree, but do you think they have a reason to do that ? Or do you think Apple need our professional advice ?

 

[C DM]

That's why I generally try to go with things like ... statistics.

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Except they'd also have to support that version of the OS.

Who says that they would have to? That's pretty much where that can end right there.

And even if they do they can still do it just fine as they do it for some older versions anyway for something critical. Again, they have been doing it all just fine for Mac OS, meaning that this isn't going to be some huge burden or anything all that strange to them.

 

[Michael Goff]

Who says that they would have to? That's pretty much where that can end right there.

And even if they do they can still do it just fine as they do it for some older versions anyway for something critical. Again, they have been doing it all just fine for Mac OS, meaning that this isn't going to be some huge burden or anything all that strange to them.

I can already smell the lawsuit that would come if they didn't do security fixes. Also, Apple is moving away from supporting older desktop OS versions. Why would they move away from one and then toward the other?

 

[C DM]

Agree, but do you think they have a reason to do that ? Or do you think Apple need our professional advice ?

Reason for Apple to do it? Perhaps better user experience for those who would make use of it and get back to a better experience that they had and want to have?

Of course it's simpler for Apple just to do nothing, but that doesn't make it good or right just by itself, or that it couldn't be improved in various ways (ranging from something fairly simple to something that is more involved but still doable).

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I can already smell the lawsuit that would come if they didn't do security fixes. Also, Apple is moving away from supporting older desktop OS versions. Why would they move away from one and then toward the other?

That's basically a slippery slope type of argument that could be used to basically argue against doing anything by anyone at all. No lawsuits are around from those who are on older versions by choice or because their device doesn't supoort something newer. Rather a moot point at best.

They still allow people to install and use older versions of Mac OS and not moving much away from that.

 

[Max(IT)]

Reason for Apple to do it? Perhaps better user experience for those who would make use of it and get back to a better experience that they had and want to have?

Of course it's simpler for Apple just to do nothing, but that doesn't make it good or right just by itself, or that it couldn't be improved in various ways (ranging from something fairly simple to something that is more involved but still doable).

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That's basically a slippery slope type of argument that could be used to basically argue against doing anything by anyone at all. No lawsuits are around from those who are on older versions by choice or because their device doesn't supoort something newer. Rather a moot point at best.

They still allow people to install and use older versions of Mac OS and not moving much away from that.

I think Apple is weighting every choice.
There isn't any perfect solution. To please everyone is just impossible, and to judge Apple's moves based on forum's complainers isn't a wise thing to do.
I'd much prefer to judge Apple by sales numbers and satisfaction in using their products.
And I'm a very happy customer.

 

[C DM]

I think Apple is weighting every choice.
There isn't any perfect solution. To please everyone is just impossible, and to judge Apple's moves based on forum's complainers isn't a wise thing to do.
I'd much prefer to judge Apple by sales numbers and satisfaction in using their products.
And I'm a very happy customer.

Most are, but some aren't and there are ways to improve that which can be close to simple. Apple has taken the simplest path in this respect, which certaibly works fine for them (and most users don't care much), but again it can be better and without too much from Apple if they wanted to.

 

[Max(IT)]

Most are, but some aren't and there are ways to improve that which can be close to simple. Apple has taken the simplest path in this respect, which certaibly works fine for them (and most users don't care much), but again it can be better and without too much from Apple if they wanted to.

You are one of the most educated user here. Do you really think Apple is so stupid to actually do something intentionally to upset customers?
Do you realize that the so called planned obsolescence is a false myth good only for forums like this because any half competent manager wouldn't ever allow such an idiotic strategy that in the long term is going to create unhappy customers?
I'm not always happy about Apple's decisions, for sure. But I know that my satisfaction is one of their primary target, not because they are kind, but because a satisfied customer is more prone to spend several hundreds, if not thousands, of Euro/dollars every year in their products and services.
So I basically trust them on this.