The way Apple handles iOS upgrades is almost criminal.

What do you think about the way apple handles ios updates for older devices?

  • Apple is just trying to make money - a customer should do research before upgrading

    Votes: 113 13.6%

  • It's a little sneaky, but not a big deal

    Votes: 77 9.3%

  • It is plain wrong to offer an upgrade that will slow down a device

    Votes: 129 15.5%

  • Apple should allow users to select an ios that functions well on their device, even a downgrade

    Votes: 374 45.0%

  • other (or: this poll is horrible)

    Votes: 297 35.7%
  • Total voters
    831
C DM said:
Further supporting that it wouldn't be much of an impact one way or another for them or really anyone (aside from people who might need a way to do it to have a better experience on their devices). And all they have to change is simply still sign the last previous major version of iOS. Certainly something that would cost them millions and years of engineering to accomplish, right?
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That's quite a strawman, how do you know that?

Here's my strawman, assume 40 million IOS iphone 5 users and later and 20,000 would downgrade, that's .05%. If apple did the math would they think it's worth it, even if apple thought these customers would walk.
 
I7guy said:
That's quite a strawman, how do you know that?

Here's my strawman, assume 40 million IOS iphone 5 users and later and 20,000 would downgrade, that's .05%. If apple did the math would they think it's worth it, even if apple thought these customers would walk.
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That's my idea.
 
I7guy said:
That's quite a strawman, how do you know that?

Here's my strawman, assume 40 million IOS iphone 5 users and later and 20,000 would downgrade, that's .05%. If apple did the math would they think it's worth it, even if apple thought these customers would walk.
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Yup, not a big deal to simply leave the last version of the last major iOS signed and nothing more then, right? Virtually no effort at all.
 
Max(IT) said:
You are one of the most educated user here. Do you really think Apple is so stupid to actually do something intentionally to upset customers?
Do you realize that the so called planned obsolescence is a false myth good only for forums like this because any half competent manager wouldn't ever allow such an idiotic strategy that in the long term is going to create unhappy customers?
I'm not always happy about Apple's decisions, for sure. But I know that my satisfaction is one of their primary target, not because they are kind, but because a satisfied customer is more prone to spend several hundreds, if not thousands, of Euro/dollars every year in their products and services.
So I basically trust them on this.
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I'm not talking about planned obsolescence or anything like thst at all. Just simple things that can be improved and even without much effort if desired even if they won't benefit everyone or even most.
 
C DM said:
Yup, not a big deal to simply leave the last version of the last major iOS signed and nothing more then, right? Virtually no effort at all.
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I have a feeling it's a bigger deal than that; which is why apple seems not to want this particular path. If it were no skin off apples nose (so to speak), there would be all manner of upgrades/downgrades allowed on IOS.

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C DM said:
I'm not talking about planned obsolescence or anything like thst at all. Just simple things that can be improved and even without much effort if desired even if they won't benefit everyone or even most.
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Benefitting the few can cost the company comparatively more.
 
I7guy said:
I have a feeling it's a bigger deal than that; which is why apple seems not to want this particular path. If it were no skin off apples nose (so to speak), there would be all manner of upgrades/downgrades allowed on IOS.

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Benefitting the few can cost the company comparatively more.
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I'm not so sure. It's certainly something that wouldn't be just nothing for Apple, but I don't think it would be enough to make it really cost Apple something noticeable. We know that many times Apple makes decisions based on just what they want or decide so--sure that's good for them but again that doesn't make it good or right in general.

Of course there's no way to really know for sure without Apple's input on it and some way to verify what they might say about it, but that's not likely to happen, which just leaves these types of discussions for the most part.
 
I'm curious because I do not know the answer, but can the average Android user downgrade to a previous version of Android easily if the latest one slows down their phone?

I know Android can be rooted and Cynagenmod can be installed with any version of Android ever made, but that's beyond the ability and desire of most users. I'm asking if Google or the carriers or the phone makers allow users to easily downgrade if they choose?
 
cocacolakid said:
I'm curious because I do not know the answer, but can the average Android user downgrade to a previous version of Android easily if the latest one slows down their phone?

I know Android can be rooted and Cynagenmod can be installed with any version of Android ever made, but that's beyond the ability and desire of most users. I'm asking if Google or the carriers or the phone makers allow users to easily downgrade if they choose?
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Only Nexus. Other phones (such as Samsung) will trip Knox or equivalent and lose warranty.
 
sualpine said:
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't relevant.
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Just because it's not possible right now due to some language doesn't mean that it's relevant to the discussion as to why shoudn't it be possible.
 
C DM said:
The discussion isn't about if you can do it, but why shouldn't it be possible. Simply saying because it's not right now doesn't add to that discussion and actuslly isn't relevant to it.
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Simple. Dead simple. People that go back to old iOS versions will complain about bugs, get hacked, lose their data, and blame everyone else.
 
sualpine said:
Simple. Dead simple. People that go back to old iOS versions will complain about bugs, get hacked, lose their data, and blame everyone else.
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And people who have been on old versions by choice or because their devices don't support something newer have been doing that so far? Let's not just through FUD on it all to make it seem like there's something to it. Clearly not even close to anhthing simple (aside from perhaps another oversimplified approach to an argument).

And, once again, something that has been previously addressed as well (and just some number of posts ago too).
 
sualpine said:
Too bad, the answer is no.
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And I'm still angry about it regardless, that's what this thread is about.

Licensing agreement... Lol

I've been in violation the entire time I've owned my devices due to them being jailbroken
 
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C DM said:
I'm not so sure. It's certainly something that wouldn't be just nothing for Apple, but I don't think it would be enough to make it really cost Apple something noticeable. We know that many times Apple makes decisions based on just what they want or decide so--sure that's good for them but again that doesn't make it good or right in general.

Of course there's no way to really know for sure without Apple's input on it and some way to verify what they might say about it, but that's not likely to happen, which just leaves these types of discussions for the most part.
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When it comes to corporations, I don't know if there is any sense of good or right. These companies provide a service and it's up to you to decide if you like the service being given at the price point it's given at, with the provisions that come along with the service.

Certainly would be nice if I could post on a forum and get my way in life, even though the gist of the post is agreed to by hundreds; and other people post how many people want this thing or the gist of this thing; but that is not the way things work in the world.
 
I7guy said:
When it comes to corporations, I don't know if there is any sense of good or right. These companies provide a service and it's up to you to decide if you like the service being given at the price point it's given at, with the provisions that come along with the service.

Certainly would be nice if I could post on a forum and get my way in life, even though the gist of the post is agreed to by hundreds; and other people post how many people want this thing or the gist of this thing; but that is not the way things work in the world.
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Certainly a discussion about what people think and suggest would be in line with how things work in the world of online forums.
 
C DM said:
Certainly a discussion about what people think and suggest would be in line with how things work in the world of online forums.
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But doesn't necessarily translate into the way the world operates.
 
I7guy said:
But doesn't necessarily translate into the way the world operates.
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It might or might not. Not everything does or should but some things do (either at least should or actually end up ebony that way at some point for one reason or another).
 
cocacolakid said:
I'm curious because I do not know the answer, but can the average Android user downgrade to a previous version of Android easily if the latest one slows down their phone?

I know Android can be rooted and Cynagenmod can be installed with any version of Android ever made, but that's beyond the ability and desire of most users. I'm asking if Google or the carriers or the phone makers allow users to easily downgrade if they choose?
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You nailed it. No, it's not that easy, and surely common users wouldn't do.
But it theoretically possible, so forum's nerds attack Apple on this.

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sualpine said:
Only Nexus. Other phones (such as Samsung) will trip Knox or equivalent and lose warranty.
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Also on my nexus is not that easy.

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gotluck said:
And I'm still angry about it regardless, that's what this thread is about.

Licensing agreement... Lol

I've been in violation the entire time I've owned my devices due to them being jailbroken
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Licensing agreement... Lol ?!?!

It clearly isn't your case, but there are people in the world that take agreements as a serious thing.
 
A new day on MacRumors forum, but same old s*** - "Apple not allowing downgrade..."

I wonder if this argument has been ongoing since the birth of MR....
 
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