Yes - the question is whether there are enough consumers who think the way we do to matter to Apple...my guess i that there aren't. But you probably have come to the same conclusion.
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The way Apple handles iOS upgrades is almost criminal.
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Yes - the question is whether there are enough consumers who think the way we do to matter to Apple...my guess i that there aren't. But you probably have come to the same conclusion.
Right, that's likely a lot of what it comes down to. Still, for something as simple as simply just not stopping signing the latest update from the previous version even just to help out a minority seems like it wouldn't be that horrific for them to do pretty much without any effort really. Again, the reality is that there's not enough incentive for it of course, but sure would be nice if they still cared (given that they do go out of their way and beyond many other companies in quite a few other aspects).
I'm not buying the whole "people should research first" argument because Apple itself says that the upgrades improve performance. Period.
There is absolutely no argument against that statement. It's clear as day. Not one of the updates says anything about "may slow down your device because it's just too old for this new stuff."
If we can't trust the manufacturer to keep its word on its own updates, then I'd say that is borderline false advertising and borderline criminal.
There is absolutely no argument against that statement. It's clear as day. Not one of the updates says anything about "may slow down your device because it's just too old for this new stuff."
If we can't trust the manufacturer to keep its word on its own updates, then I'd say that is borderline false advertising and borderline criminal.
I think it's borderline criminal when people make up comments out of thin air to support their argument. I just did a quick check on the release notes for iOS 8.2 that should drop Monday and nowhere does it say performance improvements. When Apple has mentioned performance improvements in the past, it was seen by the end user.
So 8.2 is one update, it has no effect on plenty of other updates including that type of messaging (not do we know what the upgrade messaging will be to the users for 8.2 either as it's certainly not just lines from the release notes).
And then all devices, especially the older ones got performance updates from all those updates that listed that as one of their features? Seems like plenty users haven't seen anything differnt with those updates as various threads on different updates have shown in the past.
C'mon we are not speaking about that kind of complaining.
There are several things I don't like on my iDevices.
We are speaking about drama queens storming this forum.
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Latest iOS usage numbers? That's not profits nor market share.... That's a number good to be discussed in geek forums like this.
Apple's choice about iOS upgrades isn't made to keep that number high.
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Show me a release note where Apple said something about improved performance.....
They did say something about improved performance on iPad 2 and iPhone 4s on some release. And yes the update improved performance.
Every time they did, improved performances (even if slightly improved) were verified.
But it happened a few times
To be fair, even the last iOS upgrade (iOS 8.1.3) made generic mentions of prformance (and other generic) improvements: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1758
While performance isn't mentioned in all the relese notes of course, it does come up here and there. That said, a lot of the release notes will have generic things like "improvements and bug fixes", and sometimes that would be even the only thing explicitly shown to the user. Pretty much any user, and especially a typical one, seeing that kind of information would want to have "improvements" and "bug fixes", who wouldn't right? It doesn't say anything else about how it will perform on their device or anytbing of the sort--just enough to get pretty much anyone to be enticed to upgrade (since again who wouldn't want improvements or bug fixes).
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I'm not reall sure that's actually factual really. Is there something that supports that? Something that applies across the board (especially to older devices)?
To be fair, if you, meaning iPhone user, can claim DECREASED performance you certainly should be able to claim INCREASED performance.
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Sure. Which doesn't make either one factual (as in universal truth). The whole point is--going back to the post that brought up release notes and their impact on general users--that what the release notes say about these types of very generic things isn't necessarily something that applies to everyone, and especially so for those with older devices. Release information makes it very enticing to upgrade and yet the experience of various people (sometimes even many) doesn't really hold up to what the relese notes seem to promise and people don't have much a way out after that. This also basically goes back to some blaming the user for upgrading and all that.
It's also rather interesting that in one post people would ask someone to show them where an upgrade talks about performance increases (clearly implying they don't know of any and potentially don't even believe any mention it), and the suddenly in pretty much the following posts after it's all pointed out they talk about seeing performance increases after various upgrades that mention them. I'm not implying anything but it's at least an interesting coincidence and people can certainly draw their own conclusions as they read such exchanges.
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iOS usage numbers are measured on how many people actually are Running the product. There is no iOS usage number for who actually like the product. It is also a great idea to mention that newer devices are released with newer software and, sometimes Apple Stores or companies selling their products will update these devices before the new user recieves them.
I can guarentee that if there was a chart comparing how many people "ACTUALLY LIKED" iOS 8, the numbers would favor the older versions of Apple's software and back up as evidence for an iOS downgrade
iOS usage numbers are measured on how many people actually are Running the product. There is no iOS usage number for who actually like the product. It is also a great idea to mention that newer devices are released with newer software and, sometimes Apple Stores or companies selling their products will update these devices before the new user recieves them.
I can guarentee that if there was a chart comparing how many people "ACTUALLY LIKED" iOS 8, the numbers would favor the older versions of Apple's software and back up as evidence for an iOS downgrade
You can guarantee how?
I would never go back to iOS 6, and I'm quite sure it's not only me.
Of course. With 100 million or so IOS devices that is a lot of variability. And people can post their impressions until the cows come home and these impressions will be all over the bell curve.
The definition of "fast" and "slow" is an individual moveable line in the sand.
And at the same time it really can be slow for some on some devices and not so much for others. Sometimes it's based on their definition of it, sure, while other times even those who would see things as fast on their devices would likely still notice it being different on someone else's device that claims that it is slow in some way--certainly depends on the degree of it all, and while for many it's something to a small degree at most, there can be others that are affected more by it.
So, yes, there's the aspect that you attribute to it where it's more of an individual take on it, and at the same time there's the aspect of it being that way to more than just the individual as well. That said, even with the individual take on it, if it's something that isn't as good as what it was like before for them, does the fact that others don't notice it or don't have that issue or don't care about that issue somehow help those individuals?
Going back to the central part of this thread: if a downgrade would address that for those individuals, going back to what worked better for them, it certainly doesn't seem irrational or strange that they would want that option and argue for it.
Taking individual opinions out of this, apple does not provide a "try before you buy" approach to IOS updates. Thankfully the competition does, of course there are some limits even with that.
This forum allows those individuals who feel like sharing their experience and there may be some who agree and some who disagree, but in the end it is what it is. Because apple does not provide a "try before you buy" one should think carefully about whether they want to delve head first into a new IOS release.
Right, that's now it has been. I guess the idea is that it can be imrpoved on that front, at least from the consumer point of view, by allowing a simple downgrade to at least the last update of the preceding major version.
I completely agree. The problem Apple has set up with software updates is the main reason why people hate Apple. For me, I have to go online and, let others be the test subjects to decide if I update or not. However, due to being about the money, Apple has been set up in a format where every new software update cripples a functioning system even more.
Being also an Android and Windows user, I can tell you that isn't really true. For the average user, only the latest version of the operative system is available.
Yes, you can theoretically flash an older version, but good luck in explaining how to do that to my wife or my sister, for example......
My phone is my livelihood and I don't hesitate in upgrading. I don't know who really hates apple other than a small core group of enthusiasts on this forum and third parties who are jealous apples success. In the real world, when a corporation is "hated" it's products and services are not used.
Bottom line, I'm really never worried and always upgrade every release.