Do you know if this is still the case ? Also by curiosity do you know why it's easy to virtualize with Windows but not with Mac ? Windows was faster virtualized on my 2007 (and further iteration until win8 release ) Mac than on native machine
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The whining is getting ridiculous now
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And its not necessary a bad thing, will vary from user to user. For some one Like me i wanted a more portable machine, so its a better thing
for you who wanted a more powerful machine, its a bad thing
its a design decision apple made, and I am sure they did their market survey to know what majority people want.
I haven't done it years so I can't say. The last time I ran OS X virtualized, it was with Snow Leopard. I had to make some changes to Vmware Workstation to make it work, and also create a specific boot loader, but once that was done, it was a smooth process to get it running. A lot has changed since then however and I've not needed to consider running it as a vmDo you know if this is still the case ? Also by curiosity do you know why it's easy to virtualize with Windows but not with Mac ? Windows was faster virtualized on my 2007 (and further iteration until win8 release ) Mac than on native machine
Yeah we get back to the main point : Maybe people wouldn't be complaining if there wasn't so much to complain about.
Kaby Lake + 16GB RAM and no price update would have been fine, even with the stupid dongles and lack of mag safe and low bandwidth TB3 on 13".
Or maybe the outdated Skylake and 8GB, but without the dongle hell (so, with all the ports necessary and 2TB3) and the price remaining the same.
Or, for the 15", a goddamn valid GFX card. And a 4k screen.
Instead, you have all of those terrible specs and design choices - and more than I've read but don't know about, i.e. the keyboard which will be a surprise for me I guess - for literally no advantages whatsoever, apart MAYBE the TouchBar.
And that's a big maybe.
And Meanwhile in the PC world you get way more powerful machines, without need for dongles, for 60% of the price of this new MBP.
So yeah there is a reason that people here, on social networks, on specialized sites, are all unhappy. That's because it was a ****** release. Maybe it's time to stop complaining about the complaining
Kaby Lake? There is a point where people know absolutely NOTHING and all you can do is just laugh. People are already stating that these 2016 Macbook Pros can do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING except browse facebook. They can not do ANY, NONE, ZERO, ZIP Professional work AT ALL. Yet you want to put in a ultra low powered processor just because the generation number is one higher?
wait tthey can browse facebook
AWESOME. i thought all it could do was turn on and display the desktop. So basically world's most expensive photo frame
Yeah we get back to the main point : Maybe people wouldn't be complaining if there wasn't so much to complain about.
Kaby Lake + 16GB RAM and no price update would have been fine, even with the stupid dongles and lack of mag safe and low bandwidth TB3 on 13".
Or maybe the outdated Skylake and 8GB, but without the dongle hell (so, with all the ports necessary and 2TB3) and the price remaining the same.
Or, for the 15", a goddamn valid GFX card. And a 4k screen.
Instead, you have all of those terrible specs and design choices - and more than I've read but don't know about, i.e. the keyboard which will be a surprise for me I guess - for literally no advantages whatsoever, apart MAYBE the TouchBar.
And that's a big maybe.
And Meanwhile in the PC world you get way more powerful machines, without need for dongles, for 60% of the price of this new MBP.
So yeah there is a reason that people here, on social networks, on specialized sites, are all unhappy. That's because it was a ****** release. Maybe it's time to stop complaining about the complaining
So you want a 15w chip in your 15" MBP or would you like Apple to just pull something out of thin air? Really, what do you expect them to do?
On the graphics card, please list all the mobile graphics chips with better performance in a less than 50W TDP envelope. If you want to extend to more power, you are asking for something that Apple has never provided in which case it's your expectations that are out of line.
And if they dd that, the complaining would be frenetic and severe. I understand why they used Skylake, and personally I'm ok with that. MS rolled out their Surface Studio with Skylake only, so others are facing the same issue. The performance CPUs for kaby lake are just not out there yet.
That's what the MacBook Air is for - not the Pro. They should remove the Pro moniker altogether and just go with Air instead then.
Since when? The MBP has always been a machine that has packed a decent, or even more than decent amount of power into a thin and light package with excellent battery life. It has ALWAYS been about balancing power with those last 3 attributes. It has never elevated power above them.
There's a disturbance in the force - the balance has skewed totally towards weight and being thin, the power aspect is now totally secondary. You can balance all 3 without going to extremes in any direction. They chose to go extreme and for form over function.
How so? The processor is powerful, as always. The graphics chip is considerably more powerful than previous generations - and the most powerful made in the kind of TDP that is appropriate. They've managed to make it more powerful, thinner, lighter, with better battery life. Sounds to me like they remain exactly on point.
So happy now ?
Seriously your biggest problem is the name ?
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I think it depends on whose perspective. For people who convert from Windows, yes they will be pleased for the OS, Apple system and also the sleek design of the new MBP 2016. But for Apple users who already few MBPs or MB, MBA, and already experienced OSX for years, they have comparison. Many of them complain the difference of this 2016 release - which not as big as previous upgrade, or even (for some people) downgrade - compared to previous generations.
I hope this thread and many other similar discussions in various forums can be feedback for Apple.
I hope this thread and many other similar discussions in various forums can be feedback for Apple.
This is my plan. I only hope it will be available on Jan. 1. I have to roll over to 2017 for tax reasons.
And then these same people say they would have been happy if Apple had stuck with the previous form factor. Can you imagine the **** storm this place would be going through if Apple had decided not to change their form factor and just CPU, GPU/iGPU and SSD ?
not really. i dont find any disappointment to say about the last gen 13" macbook pro.
I bet, people would have complained about how after 5 years and making us wait for almost 2 years, they just bumped up the specs and added nothing new
You don't, the tech "media" would have the torches and pitchforks ready, the users here would be whining endlessly about how there is no innovation from Apple anymore.
new screen would have been possible with the last gen mbp
new touchpad, possible
new internal parts, possible
keeping the same size battery would have been also possible
why would have anyone been complaining?
new touchpad, possible
new internal parts, possible
keeping the same size battery would have been also possible
why would have anyone been complaining?
New trackpad isn't possible without a complete retooling of the chasis manufacturing line. If you're going to invest the millions to do that, you might as well go all in and get the chasis you've been designing towards anyway.
I agree 100 percent. Also, no one is saying anything positive about the Touch Bar at this point because no one has used it. However, it could be a huge savings of time for most people, especially after more programmers develop around it. The problem is, it is hard to know how helpful it will be because it is a new thing that hasn't been on computers before. I know TouchID will be quicker than typing in my password, so even at the most basic level, it will be a time saver.
A lot of your "betters" are comparing the new laptops with the previous ones (like how a corporation's profits are compared with the same quarter last year - they may have gone up 50% but compared to a lackluster previous quarter that doesn't mean much). As they haven't been updated in a while, of course they will be "better" but how do they compare with other laptops on the market?
For instance, the sound on my early 2011 MB Pro is terrible - very weak. So now they finally improved the speakers. Whoopee. Of course they also removed the optical audio out - what Apple giveth they also taketh.
Also, I question the need to put so much resource into the screen of a "pro" laptop as I would imagine any pro or advanced amateur is connecting the laptop to a large monitor for any serious editing. Oh, and you now need a dongle for that.
Ditto for form factor - I personally think the "thinner and thinner" obsession started under Jobs has reached the point where it's seemingly given more importance than the performance of the machine.
And a lot of the "whining" has to do with the bumped up prices in addition to the cost of the dongles and the fact that any upgrades have to be done by Apple with their predatory pricing.
No, it's because of the bench I posted, you know, the one with concrete numbers you can read by just clicking on the link
Either faster or as fast as the Maxed out 13" with Touchbar, and twice the power consumption. What else do you need ?
The screen is the primary interface between the user and the device. It should be made as good as possible on all of our devices. We basically have Apple to thank for dragging us out of the doldrums of the race-to-the-bottom the PC manufacturers were engaged in for years to see who could fit the worst screen to the most expensive laptop (see mid-to-late 2000's Thinkpads with prices well north of $2000 and barely functional TN screens.)
And no, you don't need a dongle to connect your external monitor. You need a cable. Just like before.
Again comparing a maxed out 13" against a Kaby lake like the one in the Razer Stealth Blade. Bench are better or equal, 2 times less power consumption.
Frankly, I wouldn't give a crap. Much like I didn't give a crap the iPhone is thinner or not compared to the 6S (I literally have no idea). It's good, but definitely not the number 1 priority for me, or most of the people here.
You know, the ones who work with those. The "pros".