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So what do you think about Macs/Apple OS?

  • They are superb and could not be better

    Votes: 305 22.9%
  • They're good but have a few niggles

    Votes: 879 65.9%
  • For everything I like there's something I don't like

    Votes: 106 8.0%
  • I prefer Microsoft PCs

    Votes: 43 3.2%

  • Total voters
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What bugs me most about Macs is how they cause their owners to treat them as possession rather than a tool as they're supposed to be and to view them as a reflection of themselves. Hence, the "iHave entitlement issues" in case something goes wrong.
 
My biggest bug bare so far is waking when a USB device is removed, it drives me insane! I sync my iPod before I go to bed, put the Mac to sleep and then in the morning I unplug the iPod and then the MB goes whirring away as it wakes and then you have to open the display, click the 'Device was not properly disconnected' dialog and then shut the lid. Doesn't sound that bad but sure does get annoying. Windows managed to pull this off for a while now I recall :rolleyes:
Some of the things with Finder that I find annoying (as before mentioned Im sure) a) No cut. I didn't realise how much I used it until its gone and now to achieve the same thing I have to open a new window and then drag that file to the new window - again, not overly big but just irritating and b) Tabbed windows would be nice, I hate having to have all manner of Finder windows open and a simple tabbed UI would be a god send. They managed to get it into the *rarely* used Terminal and omit it from the file management app :rolleyes:
And lastly, if you're not sick of it already, the maximise button! When Im browsing the net I want to see the whole width of the page without having to scroll so please add this! I don't want to see windows all over the shop.
And also after typing this, a localised English language dictionary would be marvelous. Not all English speakers want to spell 'realise' with a 'z' (amongst others along those lines).
 
And lastly, if you're not sick of it already, the maximise button! When Im browsing the net I want to see the whole width of the page without having to scroll so please add this! I don't want to see windows all over the shop.


That says it all. It's a Mac; get your head around it and get used to a superior way of working. What do think Expose is for? Why do I need a button to stretch this page to the full width of a 20" wide-screen monitor when my Mac is doing a dozen things at once.
 
That says it all. It's a Mac; get your head around it and get used to a superior way of working.

Yeah, this really does say it all. If Apple dev is as condescending as a large part of its fanbase, it's going to be a while before we see a feature people have been clamoring for for years. Seriously, as someone else said, I can't tell whether I find inferior implementation or people who can't help putting you down for not liking said inferior implementation more irritating. In either case, these are easily the two least appealing parts of Macland for me.
 
That says it all. It's a Mac; get your head around it and get used to a superior way of working. What do think Expose is for? Why do I need a button to stretch this page to the full width of a 20" wide-screen monitor when my Mac is doing a dozen things at once.

Which brings me to my gripe - the way Exposé displays windows.

Try Exposé in different apps, without opening or closing any windows, and see the difference in the results.

Bugs the shi* out of me.
 
Cut/passte in find, drag and drop is nice, but cut and paste would be so much simpler.

Also i wish that i didnt haveto download so many small apps to do basic things that should be included in the OS :rolleyes:
 
Yeah, this really does say it all. If Apple dev is as condescending as a large part of its fanbase, it's going to be a while before we see a feature people have been clamoring for for years.


It's like walking into a Ferrari showroom and asking for automatic transmission. Furthermore, I wouldn't say I'm part of the fanbase. I use both Windows and Mac machines at work.

People need to understand that the Windows GUI is inadequate in comparison for full multi-tasking and adapt, rather than wanting the comfort zone of one app per display. You didn't answer my question; why should I need to stretch my browser across the full width of a monitor?
 
Cut/passte in find, drag and drop is nice, but cut and paste would be so much simpler.

Speaking of simple file operations, why does it take two keys to Undo, but three to redo? It's Ctrl+Z to Undo on Windows, Ctrl+Y to Redo on Windows. For some reason, OS X decided to "think different" and require a third finger to Redo commands. I've got a third finger for whoever thought that up. Makes no sense at all.

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You didn't answer my question; why should I need to stretch my browser across the full width of a monitor?

You might not have a need for it, but lots and lots of people do. It costs nothing to add an option for those who do--even something as simple as allowing the green button to be toggled between (whatever the hell it does right now) and (maximizing windows, MS style). If this weren't a significant missing feature, people wouldn't have complained about its absence for this long. Apple's refusal to acknowledge it might satisfy you, but it doesn't do anything for the people who could use the feature.
 
my $.02

Intel classic support. I dont wanna hear all the newbies telling me to upgrade software to X compatible stuff, some things were just done the best in 9.

Nah, things don't work better in 9, sounds more like you are just being a cheapskate.:D
 
That says it all. It's a Mac; get your head around it and get used to a superior way of working. What do think Expose is for? Why do I need a button to stretch this page to the full width of a 20" wide-screen monitor when my Mac is doing a dozen things at once.

It certainly is a Mac and I have got my head around it but the problem remains, if Im working on something important and don't want any distractions then having the application Im working in as a small window and then having other windows around it with different text and graphics then it can be quite off putting. Now thats not to say that I like to have everything full screen, some applications just don't require it, but using the whole screen makes more sense sometimes
 
I'd like better mouse control. I'm using a Razer Habu and I've had to instal other 3rd party apps to get it working properly.

That's all really. OSX is a walk in the park for me.
 
It certainly is a Mac and I have got my head around it but the problem remains, if Im working on something important and don't want any distractions then having the application Im working in as a small window and then having other windows around it with different text and graphics then it can be quite off putting. Now thats not to say that I like to have everything full screen, some applications just don't require it, but using the whole screen makes more sense sometimes

Exactly. It's about concentration. When I write, I use Writeroom (the free version), simply because I can full screen it and tune out the outside world while I bang away at a story or a paper. In fact, this application was *why* I switched to OS X--because I wanted to try a full-screen writing app.

It's ironic that almost every *other* app in OS X can't be single-click maximized. Sometimes, when you're doing one thing, you want to do that One Thing, and not see a dozen other things in the background. It's about single-tasking, Not multi-tasking.
 
I don't think people need it; they just prefer the comfort zone of what they're used to and are prepared to send more time moaning about it, rather then looking a little deeper into why certain things are done a certain way on a Mac. Easier to invent flaws in what you're using, rather than acknowledge the flaws in yourself...

The red button doesn't quit apps either.


...but using the whole screen makes more sense sometimes

Then in the rare case when it does, simply drag the corner of the window till it fills the screen. Simple and takes less than a second.
 
I don't think people need it; they just prefer the comfort zone of what they're used to and are prepared to send more time moaning about it, rather then looking a little deeper into why certain things are done a certain way on a Mac. Easier to invent flaws in what you're using, rather than acknowledge the flaws in yourself...

The red button doesn't quit apps either.

The green button is sexy.
 
I don't think people need it; they just prefer the comfort zone of what they're used to and are prepared to send more time moaning about it, rather then looking a little deeper into why certain things are done a certain way on a Mac. Easier to invent flaws in what you're using, rather than acknowledge the flaws in yourself...

The red button doesn't quit apps either.

Oh Im sure as I use the Mac more and more I'll get used to it (I know the more I use it the less I feel I miss the big maximize button) but still, my concentration is a lot better when I can just focus on that one window for that time.

And yes, the red button doesn't quit the app, that feature I do like ;)
 
And lastly, if you're not sick of it already, the maximise button! When Im browsing the net I want to see the whole width of the page without having to scroll so please add this! I don't want to see windows all over the shop.

And yes, many of us are sick of it already but since you brought it up (and most likely you won't answer this) is there anything wrong with resizing the browser window. You can even put the dock on hide mode and resize the browser window to fill the entire screen.
Again is there anything wrong with doing this? Have we all gotten so lazy that it's just too much trouble? This is probably the reason Apple has and may never change how it's done because you can simply resize the window.
 
And yes, many of us are sick of it already but since you brought it up (and most likely you won't answer this) is there anything wrong with resizing the browser window. You can even put the dock on hide mode and resize the browser window to fill the entire screen.
Again is there anything wrong with doing this? Have we all gotten so lazy that it's just too much trouble? This is probably the reason Apple has and may never change how it's done because you can simply resize the window.

Yep, its what Im doing atm
Im sure the trip to the bottom right of the window makes me a lot fitter ;)
OK, shall we call an end to the 'fullscreen' argument? Its never gunna happen, it was just an annoyance of mine :)
 
It's ironic that almost every *other* app in OS X can't be single-click maximized. Sometimes, when you're doing one thing, you want to do that One Thing, and not see a dozen other things in the background. It's about single-tasking, Not multi-tasking.

Hmm, iCal, iPhoto, iMovie, Automator, Font Book, Dictionary, Garageband, TextEdit, Mail and Preview. Everyone of these can be maximized by single click. Get your facts straight.
 
Hmm, iCal, iPhoto, iMovie, Automator, Font Book, Dictionary, Garageband, TextEdit, Mail and Preview.

I was referring to third-party apps (unless you consider Writeroom to be a part of OS X). Besides that, I don't use any of the apps you mentioned.
 
If the system is under alot of stress, it taking ages for the volume to turn down, not good if your editing and someone goes to talk to you...
 
I was referring to third-party apps (unless you consider Writeroom to be a part of OS X). Besides that, I don't use any of the apps you mentioned.

You said every other app "IN" OS X, not written "FOR" OS X. But at any rate you're still wrong, I use Roxio Toast Titanium, Neo Office, Pixelmator and several others just to name a few that all maximize to full screen via the green zoom button.

It's not ironic that some apps that you use don't maximize because they are developed using Apple's HUI guidelines.
 
How about the proprietary accessories? Right now, Apple has two of the worst AC adapters ever matched to portable computers (the MB/P Magsafes). The things are horribly rated and horribly unsafe, yet people have no choice to continue buying them, because Apple won't allow 3rd parties to manufacture equivalents. So you're stuck with an $80 adapter that almost always fails within the year by short circuiting and overheating enough to start a fire if unattended. Apple still hasn't redesigned them, so they're the only options out there if you want to run a Macbook/Pro.

Mmm. I'm also not fond of the high failure rate of the batteries. That seems to hand-in-hand with their poorly designed adapters. In the end, it comes down to a $200 yearly subscription to keep your MB/P working at full capacity. Not fun. However, I'd be more willing to look over the battery flaws if the computers simply came with a reliable adapter. When the very source you depend on to power your MB/P fails, you don't really have a choice about whether to replace it or not; you need it to run your computer. Apple knows this, yet they still haven't fixed the adapter problems. Bah.
 
What I hate most about Macs are the damn fanboys who honestly think they are part of some sort of religion or cult. The ones who can't bear to hear or say anything even remotely critical or negative of Apple and their products. I hate the damn advertising, it's nothing but arrogant FUD. Frankly, I really dislike the entire "Mac user" stereotype and even the company itself, but hey, they make good products.
 
I don't think people need it; they just prefer the comfort zone of what they're used to and are prepared to send more time moaning about it, rather then looking a little deeper into why certain things are done a certain way on a Mac. Easier to invent flaws in what you're using, rather than acknowledge the flaws in yourself...

The red button doesn't quit apps either.

Then in the rare case when it does, simply drag the corner of the window till it fills the screen. Simple and takes less than a second.

NO it doesn't. Because you can only resize with the bottom right side you have to drag it around first and then move to the bottom right, and then resize to make a perfect fit...

Btw: I bet you never use the green button, but you probably won't admit it. Just let us people who prefer working on a single app without being distracted have the green button to maximize okay....
 
I don't think people need it; they just prefer the comfort zone of what they're used to and are prepared to send more time moaning about it, rather then looking a little deeper into why certain things are done a certain way on a Mac. Easier to invent flaws in what you're using, rather than acknowledge the flaws in yourself....

This is just wrong (again). I gave reasons for why I use the maximize function. You don't use it - I get that. But where do you get off implying people are stupid or flawed or lazy or needy who do use the maximize function? Is it really that hard to look beyond your usage habits and acknowledge that, although you don't use something, other people might need to use it? Why is it so hard to see that other people might honestly benefit from a function you don't use? This kind of condescension is mind-boggling.
 
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