Thinking of cancelling new M1 MacBook Pro order due to notch

VSMacOne said:
I can tell you after 24 hours with the 16" MBP, the notch is a non-issue. The screen is such high quality and so immersive, that I stopped paying attention tot he notch after the first hour or so. Definitely not nearly as big of an adjustment as it was with the iPhone notch.
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Shhh. They don’t like reality, it ruins their (non) issue.
 
booksbooks said:
No I do not contradict myself. I posted about Steve Jobs because it’s analogous. The glass was there, it just wasn’t advanced enough for the first iPhone. The head of the glass company stated 3-4 years before it would advance to where Jobs needed it now. Jobs pushed and in 6 months the glass was where it needed to be.

Fact 1: under screen cameras both exist and have been shipping in products for at least 1-2 years.
Fact 2: these components are made and available by third party suppliers.
Fact 3: other camera placements exist and have shipped on laptops and smartphones for years.
Fact 4: Apple is still in business.

Apple could do what it has done many times and iterate on the technology so it meets its spec.

Unfortunately Apple is not the same company as it was now that Jobs is gone.

Fact 5: the notch on the MacBook Pro has neither centre stage or Face ID, a complete fail on a top end portable computer that is newly designed.

Fact 6, the nail in the coffin: the technology for under screen cameras at 1080p does exist and is already shipping in products. An example: https://ztedevices.com/en-us/axon-30/
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It’s funny that you ignore all I’ve said to counter your ‘facts’, as the facts I provided prove your ‘facts’ not not be as you claim.

Basically, under screen cameras are of poor quality, even in the latest Dell XPS 13, which we stated, is 720p (the new MacBook is 1080p), but it’s also noisy/fuzzy, due to not having decent sensors, as no room.

Lower angled cameras are basically nose cam/giant finger cameras and reviews by users always slate them.


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The notch may not have centre stage or Face ID, but as has been seen, the space is taken up already with no room for what’s needed for those 2 features. Likely due to the lid of the MacBook Pro being thinner than an iPhone or iPad.



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The Axon 30 has had negative reviews(one example: https://www.techadvisor.com/review/zte-axon-30-5g-3808231/). It’s a phone that’s thicker than the MacBook lid (again I have to point out that each time you try to provide evidence of the tech being there, you use devices that are thicker than the MacBook Pro lid, which is important fact to consider).

The under screen camera leads to a noticeable issue with the display (like the other devices doing it that way).

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It also cannot do FaceID that’s as good as competitors.

The front facing camera, whilst supposedly being 1080p, gets slated too:

The problem is that the image quality produced by the 16Mp snapper isn’t quite up to scratch compared to most selfie cameras right now – even those on budget phones.
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Selfies captured on the Axon 30 5G can come across as soft with a noticeably more muted colour palette compared to the rear camera offering, even in gorgeous outdoor environments – what many would consider ideal conditions for selfies.
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So thank you for helping proving your own point to be wrong. The technology is getting there, but not up to snuff, for Some to use it yet.

You seem to ignore half of the facts I provide, because you know they hinder your outrage. I told you what you need to provide evidence of, precisely, for your argument to be relevant, in my other post. It seems you were reading it selectively, and made the above post, just again showing to the forum that you’re not making an honest valid point.

It’s also funny that you’ve ignored or belittled posts by people who have actually used the device, when you haven’t, because it diminishes your point further. Meaning no one solid waste anymore time with you on this subject, as you’re close to breaking one of the forum rules. ??
 
OP - you can use an app called 'Forehead' to make the top bar pure black. This way you won't see the notch, if you truly hate it.
 
Windows user here contemplating Mac purchase. One of my big concerns about MacOS has been that the menu bar seems unnecessary. Windows gets along just fine without it, and it takes up precious vertical space. The notch/menu bar completely solves that problem.

The vast majority of the complaints about the notch are aesthetic -- it either bothers you or it doesn't. (I personally think it looks kind of cool, but my main concern is functionality.) Objectively, the new MacBook Pros are better as a result of the notch/menu bar combo.
 
I like the notch. Makes it easy to find the right spot to stick the post-it note privacy fragment.
 
Ansath said:
It’s funny that you ignore all I’ve said to counter your ‘facts’, as the facts I provided prove your ‘facts’ not not be as you claim.

Basically, under screen cameras are of poor quality, even in the latest Dell XPS 13, which we stated, is 720p (the new MacBook is 1080p), but it’s also noisy/fuzzy, due to not having decent sensors, as no room.

Lower angled cameras are basically nose cam/giant finger cameras and reviews by users always slate them.


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The notch may not have centre stage or Face ID, but as has been seen, the space is taken up already with no room for what’s needed for those 2 features. Likely due to the lid of the MacBook Pro being thinner than an iPhone or iPad.



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The Axon 30 has had negative reviews(one example: https://www.techadvisor.com/review/zte-axon-30-5g-3808231/). It’s a phone that’s thicker than the MacBook lid (again I have to point out that each time you try to provide evidence of the tech being there, you use devices that are thicker than the MacBook Pro lid, which is important fact to consider).

The under screen camera leads to a noticeable issue with the display (like the other devices doing it that way).

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It also cannot do FaceID that’s as good as competitors.

The front facing camera, whilst supposedly being 1080p, gets slated too:





So thank you for helping proving your own point to be wrong. The technology is getting there, but not up to snuff, for Some to use it yet.

You seem to ignore half of the facts I provide, because you know they hinder your outrage. I told you what you need to provide evidence of, precisely, for your argument to be relevant, in my other post. It seems you were reading it selectively, and made the above post, just again showing to the forum that you’re not making an honest valid point.

It’s also funny that you’ve ignored or belittled posts by people who have actually used the device, when you haven’t, because it diminishes your point further. Meaning no one solid waste anymore time with you on this subject, as you’re close to breaking one of the forum rules. ??
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  • 1080 under screen cameras exist. Period. The reviews on the second gen Axon ARE GOOD. The software works out the images and reviewers have been impressed.
  • Apple is an innovative company that could make these cameras work to their spec if the company was what it once was under Steve Jobs. And yes, Apple is working on this, but the company moves at a snails pace in some regards: https://www.gizmochina.com/2021/07/28/apple-patent-under-display-tech-touch-id-face-id/
  • The notch only exists because Apple failed to innovate, and itself is missing Face ID and Centre Stage.
  • This is a failure.
  • When Apple launches products with no notch, you will line up, like many others, and buy them, and never use notch based devices again.
  • End of story.
  • You will continue to post and argue even though you've stated you won't post anymore, defending Apple who failed in this area.
 
booksbooks said:
  • 1080 under screen cameras exist. Period. The reviews on the second gen Axon ARE GOOD. The software works out the images and reviewers have been impressed.
  • Apple is an innovative company that could make these cameras work to their spec if the company was what it once was under Steve Jobs. And yes, Apple is working on this, but the company moves at a snails pace in some regards: https://www.gizmochina.com/2021/07/28/apple-patent-under-display-tech-touch-id-face-id/
  • The notch only exists because Apple failed to innovate, and itself is missing Face ID and Centre Stage.
  • This is a failure.
  • When Apple launches products with no notch, you will line up, like many others, and buy them, and never use notch based devices again.
  • End of story.
  • You will continue to post and argue even though you've stated you won't post anymore, defending Apple who failed in this area.
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Have you actually read the reviews for the Axon 30 2nd gen? The phone itself has had good reviews, yes, but they all state that the front facing camera, which may be 1080p, produce photos that are poor, when compared to any camera that is not under the screen. They only say that they are better than previous phones that have done under the screen. Which just proves my point, the technology isn't there yet, but it's progressing....

I already gave 1 link to a review, from a reputable site (TechAdvisor), and you've responded by making a statement & not backing it up with regards to the reviews (probably because all the reputable sites make negative comments about the camera). Here's some more reviews from reputable sites, that all say that that the photos from the front camera are just not good enough yet:
Axon 30 GSM Arena Review
Engadget Axon 30 Review
Toms Guide Axon 30 Review - Even has a nice Photo comparison to the Galaxy A52, showing the poor quality of the Axon 30 front camera photos.
TechRadar Axon 30 Review
Android Authority (Included since they are Android focused, it couldn't be stated that they are Apple biased).
Anand Tech Axon 30 Review
Android Central Review
Just since you seemed to have ignored this review the first time around: TechAdvisor

It's noted that you totally ignored the counter point I provided about the laptops that have moved the camera down to the bottom bezel (or under a key on the keyboard), with the photo example.



The new MacBook Pro is a failure? I think the sales would disagree with you..... ?

The comment about people lining up to buy them without a notch, well that's just stupid, as Apple devices are popular, notch or not.

The bulk of your post is just a daft, pointless rant. I notice you belittled @VSMacOne post, then ignored his questioning of that.

You still seem to ignore the fact that anyone that's posted in here that's not been vitriolic of the notch like you, also would prefer not to have a notch, but we're not throwing our toys out of the pram & going on a daft rant, because there is one.

I end up replying when I'm bored having chemo & have time to kill. Your absurd posts are hilarious entertainment, but are getting boring, as you're just ignoring anything factual and making claims you cannot back up, or you make claims to try and contend with a point I make, but you pick 1 aspect out of context, making your post based on fallacy.

Many people have posted their real world experience about how the notch, albeit preferred there wasn't one, is not an issue once you start using the hardware, that you forget it's there. I'm getting one, through my employer, and the insane hardware improvements alone are great.
 
cardfan said:
The last stage is acceptance. Should’ve saw this place when notch was just a rumor. Rage. Lol.
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Happy times weren't they?

Thing is, when I saw the notch rumour without much context, I thought it was a rubbish idea and posted that I'd love to see how Apple apologists would spin it.

But then when it was pointed out how it could work and has been implemented meaning. you don't lose any screen space it all became a bit "meh". After a couple of days of using it, its perfectly fine and much less intrusive than I found it on the iPhone. Although if your apps don't work with it I think you have every right to be a bit annoyed.
 
jrichards1408 said:
So why not just ditch the notch....
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The option is there for apps that are not yet compatible. Along with the other compatibility mode. Apple did those options to allow developers time to update their app to work with the change, since devs were not aware of this change before release.

Apple decided that reclaiming part of the bezel above the 16:10 that’s been there for previous macs, and then moving the menu up there, means there’s extra useable space. Also means bezel is getting thinner.

It’s a win:win compromise, until the tech is there to reduce thr bezel more and ditch the notch, which we will see in the next couple years.

Simply put, until then, Apple has provided options, there are companies taking advantage too. If the notch bothers anyone where it outweighs the insane new power for the hardware, and don’t like the options in the device, then they likely don’t need the upgrade, or can just wait until a new hardware comes with the change.

From all that’s being said tho, the new MacBooks are going like hotcakes, so the amount of notch haters is just a loud vocal minority.
 
booksbooks said:
  • 1080 under screen cameras exist. Period. The reviews on the second gen Axon ARE GOOD. The software works out the images and reviewers have been impressed.
  • Apple is an innovative company that could make these cameras work to their spec if the company was what it once was under Steve Jobs. And yes, Apple is working on this, but the company moves at a snails pace in some regards: https://www.gizmochina.com/2021/07/28/apple-patent-under-display-tech-touch-id-face-id/
  • The notch only exists because Apple failed to innovate, and itself is missing Face ID and Centre Stage.
  • This is a failure.
  • When Apple launches products with no notch, you will line up, like many others, and buy them, and never use notch based devices again.
  • End of story.
  • You will continue to post and argue even though you've stated you won't post anymore, defending Apple who failed in this area.
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Apple has the tech, they just want to milk us. They will roll out Face ID in a couple of years.
 
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