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A phone that costs more than the average American's mortgage payment....RIGHT.

Pretty sure I won't be buying. So sad what Apple has become.
What do you mean, "RIGHT?" Apple just sold 83M iPhones in 14 weeks at an ASP of almost $800 (mortgage payment).

Frankly, people probably care about a smartphone more than owning a home.
 
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Apple must have realised that people are not willing to pay a four digit figure for a phone. Better later than never. Their arrogant strategy was punished by customers and the iPhone X basically flopped, which is good. I just feel sorry for all the iPhone X customers that basically paid an outrageous price just to be beta testers of an immature product.

Sounds good but everyone using Apple products is a beta tester

Have you heard of
High Sierra or
iOS 11? They are, independent of hardware, beta products.

I agree with
Most of the rest of your assessment especially the price. Glad I got
Mine at 45% off with a 2 year contract.

Still , full retail 80 percent of
Cost of X for a fourth go round design, the 8plus, is who I feel bad for in the landscape of Apple consumerism. That’s just me
Tho

I’m glad there’s options so we can all be different flavors of apple suckers :p
 
Based on what? Musings from a Wall Street sell side analyst? Since Apple doesn’t disclose sales by model and fiscal Q2 results won’t be announced until early May nobody knows how well (or not) the X is selling besides Apple. And on the last earnings call Tim Cook said the X was Apple’s best seller every week since it had gone on sale. I think I’ll trust Tim Cook over a Wall Street analyst. What qualifies as news and rumors these days is complete garbage. Also just because some people think the X is too expensive or not a good product and want it to be a failure doesn’t mean it is.


Yea, Tim has some creditability... not! I believe trump more then him.

Tim loves to say how he lets products compete against each other: lie!

He purposely holds back features through software to give the new model the edge. Another example is the MacBook Air and Mac mini, purposely kept with old year tech even though customers would prefer them over product under his rein of terror

Tim says Apple follows the spirit of the tax code: good thing Apple is an Irish company and all patents and r&d And profit are Irish! Apple - a good Irish company!!

I don’t feel like listing everything but he is a pr propaganda machine!
 
Why would someone pay $569 USD for a 2 year old phone at the point when the cheap X/X/X+ come out? I am not even considering a 2018 iPhone at all either.

I agree with you, but to some it is still a very good phone for a more competitive price. Performance wise, it beats out some high end android devices, but it still brings in iOS and the benefits of the platform.
 
Remember when we used to make fun of other OEMs for having way too many options? I cant imagine what its like working at an Apple store and trying to explain which iPhone does what LOL 90s Apple called, it wants it product line back
The lineup will be basically 4 models.
I don't know why we should consider previous years' phones as part of the most recent lineup. They just keep selling them, but I wouldn't call them part of the 2018 Apple lineup.
So we'll have 4 models:
- 2 high end phones, one normal-sized, one large, so basically 1 model, different sizes.
- 1 middle range model.
- 1 cheaper and smaller model (SE).
Adding to this, if you want, you can still buy the previous years' models.
 
Even if apple launches iPhone X at $999 in India then people will definitely buy it.. but because of govt. taxes the cost of 256GB goes around $1400 but people are still buying it..why?? because we Indians love apple and its the most fastest growing market foe apple despite the taxes. if apple somehow manages to lure the Indian govt. in opening its own manufacturing facility then I personally think apple will be ahead of all the competitors like Samsung (current market share 25%).
 
Based on what? Musings from a Wall Street sell side analyst? Since Apple doesn’t disclose sales by model and fiscal Q2 results won’t be announced until early May nobody knows how well (or not) the X is selling besides Apple. And on the last earnings call Tim Cook said the X was Apple’s best seller every week since it had gone on sale. I think I’ll trust Tim Cook over a Wall Street analyst. What qualifies as news and rumors these days is complete garbage. Also just because some people think the X is too expensive or not a good product and want it to be a failure doesn’t mean it is.

You follow those that monitor supply chain orders/inventory for X components. The X is is being outsold by the 8/8+. :apple:
 
Remember when we used to make fun of other OEMs for having way too many options? I cant imagine what its like working at an Apple store and trying to explain which iPhone does what LOL 90s Apple called, it wants it product line back

That's the game many of us play. While Apple does NOT have something, that something is stupid, useless that "99% don't want or need", etc. But then, when Apple rolls that very same something out, it's "shut up and take my money" and "how did we ever get by without <something>", etc.

It was not so long ago the Apple proclaimed 3.5" screens as the "perfect" screen size. When others rolled out bigger screens, Apple ridiculed them and we right with them in lockstep. Then, Apple went to a 4" screen as the new "perfect" and we right with them, ridiculing everything larger than 4": "fragmentation", "poor developers", "pants with bigger pockets" and "one-handed use."

Then Apple adopts bigger screen phones and we roll right with them. I'm still to see pants with bigger pockets and there was apparently a huge leap in hand-size evolution because it's fairly rare to see anyone arguing for one-handed use anymore. Where did all that consumer opinion passion go?

NFC (pay with a phone) was a stupid, gimmick, that "nobody needed" when it was in non-Apple phones. But then Apple rolls out Apple Pay and we want to boycott stores that won't allow us to pay that way.

We thoroughly ridiculed the notch as "no way Apple would do that" when it was an early rumor. Now it's "I like the notch" and "I don't even notice it" is spun at every lingering doubt about it.

Basically, Apple can just do anything. A big chunk of us will readily accept that anything and then work double-time to try to convince everyone else that that anything is "must have." Lingering nay sayers about the anything will just be relentlessly shouted down because clearly "$2XX Billion in the bank can't be wrong."

Maybe the next phone will roll out with dual notches or notches on every side? Rumor that now and we'll probably collectively hate & ridicule the idea. Apple rolls it out? We'll love it: "the aesthetic balance of dual or quad notches is beautiful"... "I absolutely love the bezel-less phone with quad notches. Apple innovates a terrific solution for getting rid of those ugly bezels while still giving places for our thumbs or fingers to hold the front- genius!!!" Etc.

Maybe Apple will eject the camera or battery out to an add-on case so they can spin a "thinnest ever" phone for at least the same price and then increase revenue-per-unit-sold when pretty much everyone must BUY the case to power the new phone and/or take a picture with it. We'll just gush about Apple's genius as we find ourselves paying about $1000 for a phone and then adding about $300 for a case we have to have to be able to do what used to be baked INSIDE iPhones.

Maybe Apple will make the next ones out of rusted razor blades, causing users to bleed profusely every time they use them. We'll then spin that into how turning over our blood supply more frequently is good for our health.

Welcome to the fandom... where a corporation can make just any old decision and we'll passionately love it exactly as they choose to serve it up... and then work really hard- for free- to try to make everyone else love it too.
 
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The only way that's going to happen is if people don't buy it. Something that isn't in a huge portion of Apple user's vocabulary.

They are going to slowly creep the price up until they see a drop in profits. So never. I guarantee we will see $2,000 phones in the next 10 to 15 years.

I agree about the next 10 to 15 years but I also think we will see the phone turn more into a hub device with spoke add ons (Smart glasses,etc)
 
A phone that costs more than the average American's mortgage payment....RIGHT.

Pretty sure I won't be buying. So sad what Apple has become.

A one off cost vs a monthly mortgage payment are they even comparable? It all depends on people’s personal income, if you don’t have the money I don’t think anyone would suggest buying one. It’s not like the X is the only iPhone available.
 
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They could start at a dollar and I wouldn't buy them... and I love Apple products. But there's no reason to upgrade yearly or every other year anymore. Someone needs to leak some OS revisions.. I want new software with power user settings, new hardware changes are all extremely minimal these days.
 
I’m in Canada and just upgraded to the 8 Plus from a 6s only because it was $0 on contract and I didn’t have to change my plan. The X is really expensive here as it’s either $1490.47 or $1727.77 with tax in Ontario (the price of a mortgage payment). We’ve been paying $1000 for a phone since the iPhone 7 came out.

The 8 is $1000+ with tax in Ontario (not the Plus). I barely see any iPhone X’s in the wild. I know one person at work and maybe saw it two or three times on the train. If there is a X+ it’s gauranteed to be $2000 with taxes here, that’s insane to think about especially when I bought my first car for less then that.
 
That's the game many of us play. While Apple does NOT have something, that something is stupid, useless that "99% don't want or need", etc. But then, when Apple rolls that very same something out, it's "shut up and take my money" and "how did we ever get by without <something>", etc.

It was not so long ago the Apple proclaimed 3.5" screens as the "perfect" screen size. When others rolled out bigger screens, Apple ridiculed them and we right with them in lockstep. Then, Apple when to a 4" screen as the new "perfect" and we right with them, ridiculing everything larger than 4": "fragmentation", "poor developers", "pants with bigger pockets" and "one-handed use."

Then Apple adopts bigger screen phones and we roll right with them. I'm still to see pants with bigger pockets and there was apparently a huge leap in hand-size evolution because it's fairly rare to see anyone arguing for one-handed use anymore. Where did all that consumer opinion passion go?

NFC (pay with a phone) was a stupid, gimmick, that "nobody needed" when it was in non-Apple phones. But then Apple rolls out Apple Pay and we want to boycott stores that won't allow us to pay that way.

We thoroughly ridiculed the notch as "no way Apple would do that" when it was an early rumor. Now it's "I like the notch" and "I don't even notice it" is spun at every lingering doubt about it.

Basically, Apple can just do anything. A big chunk of us will readily accept that anything and then work double-time to try to convince everyone else that that anything is "must have." Lingering nay sayers about the anything will just be relentlessly shouted down because clearly "$2XX Billion in the bank can't be wrong."

Maybe the next phone will roll out with dual notches or notches on every side? Rumor that now and we'll probably collectively hate & ridicule the idea. Apple rolls it out? We'll love it: "the aesthetic balance of dual or quad notches is beautiful"... "I absolutely love the bezel-less phone with quad notches. Apple innovates a terrific solution for getting rid of those ugly bezels while still giving places for our thumbs or fingers to hold the front- genius!!!" Etc.

Maybe Apple will eject the camera or battery out to an add-on case to they can roll out a "thinnest ever" phone for at least the same price and then increase revenue-per-unit-sold when pretty much everyone must BUY the case to power the new phone and/or take a picture with it. We'll just gush about Apple's genius as we find ourselves paying about $1000 for a phone and then adding about $300 for a case we have to have to be able to do what used to be baked INSIDE iPhones.

Maybe Apple will make the next ones out of rusted razor blades, causing users to bleed profusely every time they use them. We'll then spin that into how turning over our blood supply more frequently is good for our health.

Welcome to the fandom... where a corporation can make just any old decision and we'll passionately love it exactly as they choose to serve it up... and then work really hard- for free- to try to make everyone else love it too.

I think it's more so that people choose the Apple/iOS platform and are happy with any changes/features that are added over time. OLED, wireless charging, etc. would never make me switch platforms. I just wait until Apple implements as their execution is always solid and you know you're getting a good product. I don't think it's as complicated as you make it out to be. For many of us, Android offerings aren't even on our radar.
 
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Honestly, I don't know why people who actually buy their phone -- not rent -- upgrade every year. The year-to-year changes are not that significant. I did have to do some mental gymnastics to justify spending $1200 on a phone but now that that is done I'm good for a couple years at least. If I sold my X this Oct maybe I'd get $600 for it. I can't think of any major add on feature in the 2018 model worth spending $400+ on.

I don't think many people are paying full price all at once for these devices.
 
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It's Apple 101, price it as high as people are willing to pay. I don't know why you think it was different when Steve Jobs was around. The original iPods were some of the most expensive MP3 players on the market. The original iPhones (during Steve Jobs time) were priced higher then competitors as well. It's the way of Apple. The sooner people bail on them, the sooner they'll start to move away from that philosophy. Anyone in the senior management position at Apple that doesn't follow that line, won't be in that position for long.

The original iPhone was just as expensive as the X too. It was $600 with a 2 year contract that subsidized it. At the time, carrier subsidies averaged $400, meaning other phones that typically sold for $599 without a contract would sell for $199 with a contract. So the original iPhone was actually a $1000 phone, but they didn’t let you buy it outright like that (it could only be purchased subsidized with a contract), so you don’t see people quoting that price.
 
Does Apple not see the potential success in a SE sized X? I really don't understand.

Maybe Plus models are just easier to make.
 
I think it's more so that people choose the Apple/iOS platform and are happy with any changes/features that are added over time. OLED, wireless charging, etc. would never make me switch platforms. I just wait until Apple implements as their execution is always solid and you know you're getting a good product. I don't think it's as complicated as you make it out to be. For many of us, Android offerings aren't even on our radar.

I respect that, but I was poking more toward how we will relentlessly HATE on such features that Apple doesn't have until Apple adds them. Then we love those features.

In other words, when the other guys have a great feature(s) that Apple does not, most of us will ridicule that feature(s) to no end... but then "shut up and take my money" love it when Apple adopts it. And there's the poke. Were we writing down what we really thought of such features before Apple had them... or just towing the company line?
 
I respect that, but I was poking more toward how we will relentlessly HATE on such features that Apple doesn't have until Apple adds them. Then we love those features.

In other words, when the other guys have a great feature(s) that Apple does not, most of us will ridicule that feature(s) to no end... but then "shut up and take my money" love it when Apple adopts it. And there's the poke. Were we writing down what we really thought of such features before Apple had them... or just towing the company line?

I am sure there are outliers, but I certainly haven't seen a ton of "hate" when it comes to certain features. I think most just look at it as something not that critical to have. Once Apple brings it to the iOS platform, people are excited to have the feature. Either way, you will always have certain people that follow the narrative you are describing. It's a shame, but it happens from people who prefer Android as well.
 
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We’re they planning on keeping the original X this fall? I was thinking might be even better on the pocket to get the original, which would put it in the $749-799 range, which is a more acceptable cost for a top of the line model, just a generation old
 
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